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  1. Gadaffi accepted responsibility for Lockerbie so he could get economic sanctions lifted. It wasn't genuine according to his son. This was back when the West liked Gadaffi because he decided to give up his WMDs. My point was that a lot of these Court cases where enemy governments get sued by victims of terror attacks are based on flimsy evidence from dubious sources. That's why I'm skeptical. Granted, it's possible that Al Qaeda members learned some terrorism tactics from Hezbollah or the IRG but even then, it's a stretch to argue that Iran was responsible for Al Qaeda's attacks. That's like blaming the American schools that taught the 9/11 hijackers how to fly for the 9/11 attacks.
  2. True but for some reason ISIS isn't at war with the Saudis despite thousands of Saudis joining ISIS ------------- Former U.S. Sen. Bob Graham has been perhaps the most outspoken critic. Graham has called extremist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda “a product of Saudi ideals, Saudi money and Saudi organizational support.”
  3. There is no real conflict between ISIS and Saudi Arabia. The only ISIS attacks in Saudi Arabia have targeted the minority Shia population. Outside of SA, the Saudis have supported financially or militarily ISIS, Al Qaeda, and the Taliban. If this is news to you, where have you been the past 16 years?
  4. The Saudis have directly and indirectly supported ISIS per WikiLeaks: “While this military/para-military operation is moving forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL [Isis] and other radical Sunni groups in the region,” Clinton reportedly wrote in 2014. “This effort will be enhanced by the stepped up commitment in the [Kurdish Regional Government]. The Qataris and Saudis will be put in a position of balancing policy between their ongoing competition to dominate the Sunni world and the consequences of serious US pressure.”
  5. Highly questionable conspiracy theories plus everyone knows that Al Qaeda learned their terrorism tactics in Afghanistan, not Iran. Al Qaeda today is allied with Saudi Arabia in Yemen in their war against the Houthis who are allied with Iran. WSJ: Al Qaeda Fights on Same Side as Saudi-Backed Militias in Yemen It's similar to the court cases that found Gadaffi legally liable for the Lockerbie bombings even though the evidence points elsewhere Iran does cause problems and support terrorism in the MidEast but they focus on Lebanon-Syria-Iraq. As far as I'm concerned that's not our problem. The Saudis and Qataris support terrorists and radical Mosques all over the world
  6. Link? Osama Bin Laden was blamed for the embassy attacks in Africa and USS Cole. The Saudis and Qataris have funded Wahabbi/Salafi terrorists since Afghanistan in the 1980s. Iran has supported Sunni groups like Hamas in the past but that has changed since the Secrestarian wars in the Mideast have intensified. Iran is Shia. ISIS is Sunni Militias supported by Iran are fighting ISIS in Syria and Iraq because if the governments in Syria and Iraq fall, Sunni extremists will try to wipe out the Shia. It's a life or death struggle for them.
  7. Trump’s Pentagon Presents ISIS Plan That Looks Much Like Obama’s
  8. ISIS will eventually be defeated militarily and replaced by a new group with a similar ideology The ideology is the problem
  9. Sorry to burst your bubble but you're wrong. Nothing Trump is doing in the Middle East so far is new or hasn't been already done by Obama and Bush. The MIC is still running things. Mattis has largely kept the same Generals and anti-ISIS strategy of the Obama administration
  10. Trump so far is using the same playbook against ISIS (and most of the Generals are the same as Obama's). But truthfully, you can't defeat ideology with military force
  11. Yes. He was wrong and lying to please his hosts. The Saudis, not Iran, fund terrorists who kill people around the world (Al Qaeda, ISIS). 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis Iran funds terrorists who mainly operate in the Middle East but maybe they should fund more Lobbyists in DC.
  12. He's not doing anything to create jobs Everything Trump's proposed benefits the wealthy
  13. You mean it wasn't an Iranian? According to Trump, Iran is to blame for all the world's terrorism
  14. Because rich people are so generous they'll use their tax cuts to create more jobs for Robots
  15. NYT: Trump’s Budget Cuts Deeply Into Medicaid and Anti-Poverty Efforts The document, grandly titled “A New Foundation for American Greatness,” encapsulates much of the “America First” message that powered Mr. Trump’s campaign. It calls for an increase in military spending of 10 percent, spending more than $2.6 billion for border security — including $1.6 billion to begin work on a wall on the border with Mexico — as well as huge tax reductions and an improbable promise of 3 percent economic growth. The wildly optimistic projections balance Mr. Trump’s budget, at least on paper, even though the proposal makes no changes to Social Security’s retirement program or Medicare, the two largest drivers of the nation’s debt. To compensate, the package contains deep cuts in entitlement programs that would hit hardest many of the economically strained voters whose backing propelled the president into office. Over the next decade, it calls for slashing more than $800 billion from Medicaid, the federal health program for the poor, while slicing $192 billion from nutritional assistance and $272 billion over all from welfare programs. And domestic programs outside of military and homeland security whose budgets are determined annually by Congress would also take a hit, their funding falling by $57 billion, or 10.6 percent. Trump's budget is likely DOA in Congress but some of the proposals will survive