The Pride the #1 Reality Show Fact or Fiction

[Kong]

Division I talent may be obvious to some but that does not mean every Division I talent will receive a division I scholarship. There are a lot of factors like limited number of scholarships, needs of the schools, etc. Division I scholarships typically go to the most elite of talents from across the land so while those in a particular area may see someone as an "obvious Division I talent" recruits just may have a different take when they see and stack talents from various regions and not just in the area we confine our viewing.

With respect to misinformation, misdirection, and disingenuous comments around here, I would not hope kids are following advice from the anonymous folks around here. These kids need to listen to their coaches, their family, and other advisors close to them with direct knowledge of their skills, education, and background. More importantly, kids need to know and understand that Division I is not the be all and end all of the world. With Division I there are many scholarship opportunities in Division II. Kids need to be aware of scholarship opportunities in NAIA. And of course Division III is nothing to laugh at albeit scholaships are not athletic in nature, but academic or need-based. And we cannot forget NJCAA.

So what I'm saying is that although many pound the drums of division I, high school programs I know of in PG try to get as many kids as they can in any place a school is willing to accept. That's the real name of the game Kong.

By Any Means Necessary...

Check out the resume of Coach James Franklin of Maryland and see the college he attended.

By Any Means Necessary...are you kidding me? That's the mentality that gets many people into trouble. Kids attending three high schools in four years? That cannot be the right life lesson. When things aren't going your way, you need to work through them.

As to your point about Division-I talent not being offered a Division-I opportunity...well you have overlooked a very important detail. The D-I programs have many more kids on their radar screen than those they ultimately offer. So when these kids receive little or no attention from D-I schools, it probably means that they aren't really D-I kids.

Though you haven't admitted it, you have aligned with my point precisely. The D-II and D-III programs have very good opportunities, but that action doesn't heat up as quickly as the D-I recruiting. Whether these particular kids have what's required to be recruited at those levels remains to be seen.

Finally, Trip, these kids are clearly listening to the street agents. Their parents, who have no real frame of reference, have delusions of D-I stardom. It's a shame. You can quibble with me if you like, but it is the kids who will be hurt due to the lack of proper adult direction.

[meth007]

Damn, Gilly you got me back at it.........Gilly what part of NEW don't you understand!! NEW!! This NEW curriculum is going to have them on parr with City and Poly. This is almost experimental in terms of what they are doing. No other school will have this program or have the funding to pull it off. J-hop is committed to this program this is why they will have this huge building that could fit 1200-1500 with ONLY 900 kids. We are talking about 12 students per class with multimedia technology. We are talking about interactive lecture rooms where students will be online with other schools across the country while they take class. This is going to futuristic and you kid bring up something great but primitive compared to this school of the future situation at Dunbar of the PRESENT. In anatomy physiology the kids will be able to watch cadavers get dissected live and ask questions.....LIVE. WE ARE TALKING MINI JOHNS HOPKINS HIGH OKAY. TAKE DUNBAR OUT AND CALL THEM JOHNS HOPKINS HIGH...DO YOU FEEL BETTER? We are talking about Millions of dollars Gilly. The school is STATE OF THE ART!! YOU SOUND LIKE AN IDIOT!! This is not the 80 or 90's. We are talking about a school that I attended, my wife attend, brothers attended and I don't recognize where the hell I am in the building. Their Library is on parr with Morgans but smaller with a huge computer lab....1 of at least 3 computer labs. They will have several lecture rooms, labs for every science, green rooms and other stuff that probably is at your favorite private that would never be in a public. Gilly BEST OF BOTH WORLDS BRAH!! There is no website yet.

[gillytech]

This NEW curriculum is going to have them on parr with City and Poly

Fair enough. for the record, I think it's great that Dunbar is getting a much needed and long overdue influx of $ and resources. I'll delete my earlier post.

My point was really that academics should be kept off of this board.

[sickofitall]

By Any Means Necessary...are you kidding me? That's the mentality that gets many people into trouble. Kids attending three high schools in four years? That cannot be the right life lesson. When things aren't going your way, you need to work through them.

As to your point about Division-I talent not being offered a Division-I opportunity...well you have overlooked a very important detail. The D-I programs have many more kids on their radar screen than those they ultimately offer. So when these kids receive little or no attention from D-I schools, it probably means that they aren't really D-I kids.

Though you haven't admitted it, you have aligned with my point precisely. The D-II and D-III programs have very good opportunities, but that action doesn't heat up as quickly as the D-I recruiting. Whether these particular kids have what's required to be recruited at those levels remains to be seen.

Finally, Trip, these kids are clearly listening to the street agents. Their parents, who have no real frame of reference, have delusions of D-I stardom. It's a shame. You can quibble with me if you like, but it is the kids who will be hurt due to the lack of proper adult direction.

You make very valid points Kong. And some folks will respect you for those points you make, others will call you a hater and such, but so be it.

I have to tell you though, this has been my gripe for a while, and earned me some less than favorable reviews from some of the Poet nation. But you've illustrated my point very well.

Here's a personal experience. My kid was at the WVU 7 on 7 this past weekend. He is 10th grade, played JV and got some time with the varsity team FH had as well. Now FH didn't burn the stadium down, but they did okay for their first big 7 on 7 deal. My boy came back with a fire in his eyes, and a good bit of it was realizing that people notice his playing. Obviously because of his age, he wasn't getting serious recruitment looks or anything, but he talked to coaches, a few from D-1, but there were some there from D-2 and 3 schools. And he made the comment to me about talking to them and not knowing where they were from...but thinks this guy was from a D-2 school, and that guy was from some small school. And he commented "I don't care, I'd play wherever".

And I appreciated that. I don't have star plans for my kid. He's the most awesome kid ever in my book, but he'll develop into whatever he develops into. If he gets a scholly, my wallet would ((sigh)) in relief. If he doesn't, my wallet may cringe, but I know he'll still be going to college. But he will not look at himself a failure if he doesn't get some D-1 scholly, and obviously never would I look at him that way, regardless.

And a lot of kids operate that way, I know at FH they do. And That is a good thing.

I just think some schools tread a fine line between preparing their athletes for the next level (athletically) and preparing their kids for the next level (in a worldly sense). I hate to think that any kid would ever feel themselves a failure because they didn't get the D-1 ride. Or that sucess is measured in D-1 schollys. The amount of pressure that puts on a program, a staff and moreover the kids; is insurmountable.

And I never really buy the argument that "a D-1 scholly is the only way out for some of these kids". With federal financial aid and academic scholarships, and state colleges...if you have the academic ability, anyone can go to college (not everyone will succeed, but anyone can go). What you do with your life is based on those personal choices you make, based on what life hands you.

So you didn't get that D-1 scholarship. That justifies you staying someplace and not making something of yourself? Because that's what I'm hearing when people make the "only ticket out" argument.

[meth007]

You are right when it comes to the kids GPA but academics are important because everyone thinks we just play ball in the CITY!! I am hoping this opens the door for other schools. What if Lockheed Martin or Sun Systems had a Engineer program with Poly? Huge!!

Oh, because the program is experimental and a special program they are keeping the numbers low. Sooooooooooo 1A for at least 5 more years so Western MD get used to us for a long time. Just thought I get that out. They want to monitor the academical program closely. My feeling is that it may be harder to get in........talks that this might be a STATEWIDE PROGRAM....MEANING IF YOU LIFE OUT OF BALTIMORE CITY YOU CAN PAY AND ATTEND.

[watson34]

Guy's Dunbar has always been an excellent educational institute for Health and it is only getting better with its relationship with Hopkins. City and Poly has always been notated as the best schools for political and other reasons but Dunbar is right there with their specialized curriculum. But getting back to Football.

Meth truly Bob Wade will only be able to protect Dunbar for a short time. If they want the exposure and greatness they seek outside of Baltimore, they are going to have to Schedule AND BEAT at-least Loyola and Gilman. Then they can move out to Dematha, Good Counsel, and some of the other Power House teams out of state.

Outside of Baltimore no one really takes Dunbar seriously, and I know that will upset a lot of folks on this board, but it is true. Dunbar is a 1A Power House that really does not play anyone, meaningful throughout the year. Maybe one or two games all year against less than stellar talent.

Dunbar has an open game every year; schedule it against someone other than Reisterstown. Please do not say no one wants to play you, because I know Dematha, Loyola, and Gilman wanted to add you to the schedule and phone calls were not returned.

Bob Wade is the great protector of Dunbar in Athletics, he will not let them go out and get smashed to tarnish their City only built reputation.

Great players just want to see them beat some of the best talent in Maryland, so they can shake that 1A stigma.

[Poet2002]

You are right when it comes to the kids GPA but academics are important because everyone thinks we just play ball in the CITY!! I am hoping this opens the door for other schools. What if Lockheed Martin or Sun Systems had a Engineer program with Poly? Huge!!

Oh, because the program is experimental and a special program they are keeping the numbers low. Sooooooooooo 1A for at least 5 more years so Western MD get used to us for a long time. Just thought I get that out. They want to monitor the academical program closely. My feeling is that it may be harder to get in........talks that this might be a STATEWIDE PROGRAM....MEANING IF YOU LIFE OUT OF BALTIMORE CITY YOU CAN PAY AND ATTEND.

Wow, sounds like promising stuff.

[sickofitall]

Sooooooooooo 1A for at least 5 more years so Western MD get used to us for a long time. Just thought I get that out.

Annnnnddd right back to the smack talk.

It's like missiles firing three feet over your head, method man.


But I do have to say, watson, I disagree with you a little bit. At least 150 miles away here in western MD, we take Dunbar seriously. And as far as shaking the 1A stigma, have they not also won titles in other classes at Dunbar?

It's kind of funny, FH has never won a 1A championship, but has a 3A and a 2A belt. As far as I view it, 1A is pretty competitive.

[meth007]

Check your history before you make dumb *** accusations. Dunbar Historically plays a competitive out of league schedule when they can. This year they had 1 spot and next maybe 2. Watson, you couldn't be more wrong! Everyone knew Dunbar had a open date week one but brother the phone wasn't ringing. I know this because I am that close to the program. You sound like an idiot because Gilman, Loyola and Dematha had scheduling commitments week one. Dunbar and Dematha are very closely connected programs for this reason they are scrimmaging and doing 7 on 7 there this summer. There were several schools that we wanted to see but either the schools had other commitments or simply did not see a win win scenario. Watson, these teams lose more than they gain if they are in competitive league play in 3A/4A in lets say PG/Mont. They don't want to play Dunbar trust me. These teams could lose 1 game and not make the playoff or beat Dunbar and still not have a lot of points. The truth is my dear Watson...the stars and moon have be aligned for the right teams to play, especially when Dunbar is concerned. We don't need protection, our region is soo weak we could lose 4 games and still be playoff bound. We play ball around.

[sickofitall]

We don't need protection, our region is soo weak we could lose 4 games and still be playoff bound. We play ball around.

I don't know if 1A west is "weak" per se, but we beneift from this too, meth. Allegany, Fort Hill...and then either Mtn Ridge, Boonsboro, and Smithsburg usually fight out for the other two spots. I know not every year is like that, but usually it is.

But with the schedules Alco and FH play, we can lose 3 or 4 and still usually make it into the playoffs.

[Kong]

Either I'm not making myself clear or you are just on the edge with your anti-transfer campaign to interpret my "By Any Means Necessary" statement as a free for all transfer follie. No where in my dialog did I state a word about transfers. I centered my entire discussion around considerations in addition to Division I recuritment and play you talked about. I only meant to say kids need to understand that there are other games in town other than Division I that very well could be more in line with ones talents and interests. The fact of the matter is that Division I slots are pretty much "...untouchable except to the very elite football players..." according to one scholarship site I read. The cite went on to even state that "...the competition for Division II scholarships is fiercest. This is where competitive recruiting really plays a part."

By Any Means Necessary, I mean to get kids in college -- Division I, Division II, Division III, NAIA, or even NJCAA -- Get Them In! That's what it's all about for me Kong. There are many in here crying about the lack of Division I attention their pet program receives but are those kids flocking to Division II or III or NAIA or even NJCAA is mass numbers! I would go on the limb and say no. By Any Means Necessary...Get The Kids In Any Where. That's all I'm talking about in the instant matter.

I sense we agree on more than we disagree.

However, getting kids into college by any means necessary may be shortsighted. If they are not prepared academically, it will not work. The students need to have a solid foundation of learning before they can handle the demands of an undergraduate experience.

[watson34]

Meth I do not sound like an idiot. The hardest game you had last year you lost. Baltimore City does not bring anything to the table for Dunbar and it is a cake walk, you exemplified that in your last statement. The moon and stars have to align to play Dunbar well I know Loyola and Gilman wanted to make them align but you guys were not willing. McGregor told me he would love to play you guys but could not get any response. 7 on 7 has nothing to do with the season. Great 7 on 7 teams do not always make great overall teams once you add the BIG BOYS to the mix.

Meth I commend you for supporting your team, but they won't or can't beat the elite in Maryland so why should they be mentioned with them. If you want to go to the next level, Dunbar is a good place to be. If you want to go to the next level with a BCS D-1 team, I do not know if Dunbar is the place to be, but a full ride is a full ride.

Yes Tavon went to a BCS team but that is the Best you had, and your WR and LB went to Louisville, but that was a very late offer after some recruits fell through.

Meth you are the 1A GIANT, and always will be and the Baltimore City GREAT Champion for hope. But to be the Very Best you have to play and beat the very Best. Gilman is the power house in Baltimore this year, and I would have loved to see the match up with all the transfers you have coming in.

Gilman maybe #1 in the State after beating Good Counsel and Dematha this year. I do not think Loyola will get them this year. So if they have two games free next year, let's start talking to Loyola and Gilman now for next year and we can put all this to rest.

[meth007]

The reason you I know you are talking out the side of your tail is because the two programs talk weekly. Dematha had 2 year commitments the 1st week. They could only play us week 3, we had MANDATORY league play that week. Watson we all would like to get better run but we MUST play our City commitments or it will be scheduling conflicts. Brother you don't have a clue. Stick to being a fan.

[Blitz44]

Do you think that Dunbar could have beat Sherwood?

[Dipset03]

Fact or Fiction (the pilot)

Dunbar has transfers?
Yes, but so does Edmondson, Poly and City. All of us have more than 5 this year. Who had over 6000 hit talking about theirs? Last year City had 6 transfers but it wasn't an issue because they got 1 win per transfer. Not a shot; this is a Fact. Dunbar has about 6 this year. QB Evan Pittman a kid that has not been given chance to start. RB quarries Sr. RB with 0 offers. OL "big Corey" another kid that didn't get any PT at the hall that looks like he should have. Corey is about 6'3 280 with feet like a RB. MLB Reynard (last) from Calvert hall. This kid is a beast with 0 offers. The Biggest lineman in the area from Mervo. The kids is about 6'4 350. The kid has a lot of mustang qualities soooo he'll need a lot of coaching, right now he's just big. Another 6'3 350 kid from City. This kid wanted to be a Poet from day one sooo he never touched the field as a knight. He couldn't transfer last year because there was no space. So there you have it the transfers. Many more are tryna transfer, but Laurence is turning kids away.......Damn, Laurence if Coxson and Goodsen both want to be Poets let them in!! There parents know best . Oh, this is FACT!!

Who are Edmondson , Poly and City transfers?

[watson34]

Meth there is no way I am speaking out of my butt and it is no way that Dunbar speaks with Damatha weekly. I have McGregor on speed dial home and office. As an outsider I have more information on Maryland football than you do, and just got finish talking to a parent of a 6’7” 290lb lineman that will be attending DeMatha next year.

Since you are so close to the Dunbar program, and you claim you have to play your schedule and I know you do but you do have open weeks. Please let your influence try to schedule Loyola or Gilman for 2011. Greyhound Alum can help you if you need help. See I am a FAN.

It kills me when you come on this Board and talk about Dunbar you get a lot of flack, and belligerence but the truth is the truth and it hurts sometimes. Dunbar has a great program in the City, but if you want to run with the true Big Dogs you have to show your true worth. Please schedule Gilman and if you can beat that program with the history they have, it will carry you a long way. Schedule them once and beat them once and you may never have to play them again, and move up a couple of notches.

[gillytech]

FWIW, Dunbar and Gilman played or scrimmaged pretty much every year from about 2000 to 2006 and Gilman won every time. If they played in 2007 and 2008, however, I think the result would've been different.

[meth007]

Watson, again we can only play who we can play. It is very difficult to move around the dates in Baltimore City. Yes, it looks better on the resume, but it couldn't happen this year......we tried!!

[meth007]

No respect is where the arrogance comes in. Gotta beatem to a pulp to believe......then you say well it was a chump that couldn't fight. Who's bigger and why?

[runstopper]

At Dunbar, Calvert Hall and most places, the best man plays. Good players do not languish on the bench, and two of the transfers mentioned were starters as juniors.

As for the other two players, there is an important fact to remember. You can care for a kid, but not play him. He has to earn it. That's the way life works.

Someone should have read you books. Maybe then you would have the capacity to construct a coherent sentence.

Finally, if the kids had D-1 talent, they would have D-1 interest.

What you are about to learn this season will be difficult. Try to take it like a man.

Clown face watch these kids get offers .