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    I'm nowhere a steady observer of Wall Street. However, binat halev, seems to me that when the DOW "sensed" that the President was going to have a Healthcare Reform Bill to sign, it seemed to be "happy", but when the President didn't get his Healthcare Reform Bill in time, it became "unhappy". From the meager unbiased information we get in the media, seems to be that it's not a matter of Party Politics but a real Civil War between the two parts of Congress: Senate vs House. I look to the two Senators from each state to control Wall Street and Main Street. Just what I see from the printed text available to me. The Tea Party may be encouraged by the two Senators from each State? It's possible. It's natural because in a recession, even Senators have to worry about their jobs just like the graduating engineer does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsy View Post
    I'm nowhere a steady observer of Wall Street. However, binat halev, seems to me that when the DOW "sensed" that the President was going to have a Healthcare Reform Bill to sign, it seemed to be "happy", but when the President didn't get his Healthcare Reform Bill in time, it became "unhappy". From the meager unbiased information we get in the media, seems to be that it's not a matter of Party Politics but a real Civil War between the two parts of Congress: Senate vs House. I look to the two Senators from each state to control Wall Street and Main Street. Just what I see from the printed text available to me. The Tea Party may be encouraged by the two Senators from each State? It's possible. It's natural because in a recession, even Senators have to worry about their jobs just like the graduating engineer does.
    The Dow started to go down after AA missed on on EPS. Then Obama said he was going to start taxing banks. That was the turning point.

    If anything, Nationalized Health Care would make the market go down and not up. Health Care as a percentage of GDP is already high in the US compared to the world. I have read it is the highest of the developed countries. I do not know how nationalizing health care would create cost savings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Eye_21201 View Post
    The Dow started to go down after AA missed on on EPS. Then Obama said he was going to start taxing banks. That was the turning point.

    If anything, Nationalized Health Care would make the market go down and not up. Health Care as a percentage of GDP is already high in the US compared to the world. I have read it is the highest of the developed countries. I do not know how nationalizing health care would create cost savings.
    Since the President esteems the intelligence of the average US citizen, and he is in favor of reduced government, perhaps he experimented with giving the CEO's their contractual bonuses, avoiding economic interruption by law suits and knowing the makeup of SCOTUS, decided to see for himself the whole US We the People. Then perhaps the CEO's were keeping their dollars for their SIG's instead of the whole banking industry. IOW, give them enough rope to hang themselves. So the tax is a recoup of greed? Now that I've just been introduced to Call Center industry, information takes on a new understanding. This led me to start wondering about software in general, since I have a 2008 Prius. I was wondering about how much of my car is controlled by the FORTRAN brains and how much by COBOL brains and how much by brains that judicially can use both languages. It all depends on how much calculus is involved. Even Galileo understood this. In order to save his own life, he had to stop publicly informing his fellow citizens in language they could understand. The Pope showed him the torture tools they used on Bruno and others of his ilk

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsy View Post
    Since the President esteems the intelligence of the average US citizen, and he is in favor of reduced government, perhaps he experimented with giving the CEO's their contractual bonuses, avoiding economic interruption by law suits and knowing the makeup of SCOTUS, decided to see for himself the whole US We the People. Then perhaps the CEO's were keeping their dollars for their SIG's instead of the whole banking industry. IOW, give them enough rope to hang themselves. So the tax is a recoup of greed? Now that I've just been introduced to Call Center industry, information takes on a new understanding. This led me to start wondering about software in general, since I have a 2008 Prius. I was wondering about how much of my car is controlled by the FORTRAN brains and how much by COBOL brains and how much by brains that judicially can use both languages. It all depends on how much calculus is involved. Even Galileo understood this. In order to save his own life, he had to stop publicly informing his fellow citizens in language they could understand. The Pope showed him the torture tools they used on Bruno and others of his ilk
    Your writing style reminds me of a former poster I used to know. I can not log on under my old Evil-Eye for some reason so I had to do the next best thing and create a new Evil-Eye.

    Lets see if Harrisburg can avoid default on the Incinerator bond payments for the rest of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Eye_21201 View Post
    Your writing style reminds me of a former poster I used to know. I can not log on under my old Evil-Eye for some reason so I had to do the next best thing and create a new Evil-Eye.

    Lets see if Harrisburg can avoid default on the Incinerator bond payments for the rest of the year.
    Very interesting. First I've only developed this style since I've changed my username. Bootsy is my real name for my first 20 years on Earth. Before I found my voice, I used my four favorite philosophers. I'm my own philosopher now. BTW, on today's History doc on Galileo, they explained that in his time, the title "philosopher" is equivalent to today's "scientist". That's good to know since I always thought so. So now I can say the writers of the Chumash were the scientists of their day. They remind me of Galileo. Especially since I now can apply my Siddur Hebrew to reading it all.

    Second, I don't understand why your original user id didn't work. Of course, I really am isolated and have no friends and family around me. I've been privvy to what happens with friends and family and Internet access. That kept me up to snuff vicariously

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    I've heard personally that Employee Wages are not keeping up with Health Care Costs. Secretary Sebelius just informed me that Health Insurance rates are going up. Why is that?
    Are Health Insurance employees getting raises equal to the increase in rates? I also heard that the military are not getting increases. So if the government tries to keep the wage costs of government from going up and the health insurance rates go up... what should the President do? I haven't seen any good suggestions from the Republicans. The people in Massachusetts have a model system and the people in Massachusetts don't want any one else in the country to have the same one. Would the people in Massachusetts end up with it costing them more if the rest of the country had the same system they had? How come Maryland doesn't have the same sort of system on their own? Even I wonder why I can't talk to my own kids like this, my neighbors. Maybe a good sabbath discussion. I don't think it's that complicated. Simply compare each states system with Massachusetts. Why are they happy with the same system the President wanted in the first place. What does the future look like for them. Seems an easy way to make us all understand. When Hillary was First Lady and first thing she did was propose a health care system. I tried to figure it out but it was so philosophical. I simply googled and found out my own self that Hawaii had the best system and even what may be a problem with it. So back then I wished she had simply modeled Hawaii for us all. Then each state could have talked to their constituents, particularly the two senators and we could have had a health care system way back then. Why do the people who use awful English and make fun of every other person say they are against electronic healthcare system when they are on the computer all day and probably on cell phones inbetween?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsy View Post
    I've heard personally that Employee Wages are not keeping up with Health Care Costs. Secretary Sebelius just informed me that Health Insurance rates are going up. Why is that?
    Are Health Insurance employees getting raises equal to the increase in rates? I also heard that the military are not getting increases. So if the government tries to keep the wage costs of government from going up and the health insurance rates go up... what should the President do? I haven't seen any good suggestions from the Republicans. The people in Massachusetts have a model system and the people in Massachusetts don't want any one else in the country to have the same one. Would the people in Massachusetts end up with it costing them more if the rest of the country had the same system they had? How come Maryland doesn't have the same sort of system on their own? Even I wonder why I can't talk to my own kids like this, my neighbors. Maybe a good sabbath discussion. I don't think it's that complicated. Simply compare each states system with Massachusetts. Why are they happy with the same system the President wanted in the first place. What does the future look like for them. Seems an easy way to make us all understand. When Hillary was First Lady and first thing she did was propose a health care system. I tried to figure it out but it was so philosophical. I simply googled and found out my own self that Hawaii had the best system and even what may be a problem with it. So back then I wished she had simply modeled Hawaii for us all. Then each state could have talked to their constituents, particularly the two senators and we could have had a health care system way back then. Why do the people who use awful English and make fun of every other person say they are against electronic healthcare system when they are on the computer all day and probably on cell phones inbetween?
    I read that Mass. is dumping people off their system now because of the costs. They are finding out what the costs are and that they underestimated the total costs. The plan is failing in Massachusetts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Eye_21201 View Post
    I read that Mass. is dumping people off their system now because of the costs. They are finding out what the costs are and that they underestimated the total costs. The plan is failing in Massachusetts.
    EXACTLY!! Hence the importance of the Bi-Partisan Conference on Health Plan. See you and I both can google and find out instantly and come to the same conclusion. So why not save the Massachusetts and Hawaii Systems because through decades they both have been deemed the most successful. Just follow the train of these two different States who are closest to what experience has deemed as successful in their own era. It would have saved us all. Forget blame and fix it. Seems to me the Baltimore Sun, all by itself can get it's crew together and present the stories of the Hawaii and Massachusetts health systems, right now. That alone will help me decide how to manage my own health in the US under any circumstances. It's not the bills in congress, it's the non-curiosity of We the People to google for ourselves,

    Along this type of thinking: I fought in MCI to move the backbone to Dallas TX. That was the decision of top brass. When we relocated under the glorious days of relocation, it was binat halev in the media that Dallas was going to be the IT capital of the world. The infrastructure was already being constructed. Names of streets tell the story. The "hope" lasted 5 years. Some of these streets never did get fully occupied. I watched as India took it all away. The other day I learned that India controls each of our pc's. Now exactly how did that happen? My relocation started in MCI in the DC area in 1989. Why India having the PC Call Center, not Dallas? I was helping my neighbor in Dallas with her PC problems and so during this period of time I did learn a lot about the evolution of the Call Center. Those guys with the then broken English couldn't obstruct my neighbor, she caught on fast, when I was around. She listened to how I talked to them. I could overcome their broken English obstruction. Now they speak perfect English. Repeat, why couldn't Dallas be the US Call Center? Why isn't Mexico teaching Mexicans to be bi-lingual with English as a second language?

    Then suddenly in the late 1990's the Reform Branch of Judaism changed it's founding philosophy and it healed the breach in US Judaism: Hebrew Chumash. That was a huge intellectual evolution for just plain old me. It certainly simplified "under God" politically for me.

    Now turn to Crisfield during the great depression. It didn't suffer. It WAS the seafood capital of the world. The reason for that decline was refusal to listen to people who believed in conservation. That was no mystery even back in 1950 when I listened to the old timers.

    Now turn to Garland TX, in the early 1990's. I attended a local business meeting about shopping in Garland. I learned from the old-timers that the reason Garland was so economically deprived was because they first was offered a Shopping Center and voted it down because they preferred to build residential complexes and keep it a quaint fundamentalist Christian community. So Mesquite got the only local Mall. So these old timers just had to suffer it all. I left for back home here in 2005 and they had almost completed building their very first Town Center. In the last two years I lived there, I suddenly saw shopping inside Garland occur and felt good that my sales taxes were generated in my Texas home town.

    My Main Street, Wall Street residential experience.

    Now P.G. County has the National Harbor. Also it has a great university and National Archives II and Beltsville Agriculture, all my local part of Maryland now. Oh yes, the ICC.

    Again why is the Call Center for Internet in India instead of Dallas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bootsy View Post
    EXACTLY!! Hence the importance of the Bi-Partisan Conference on Health Plan. See you and I both can google and find out instantly and come to the same conclusion. So why not save the Massachusetts and Hawaii Systems because through decades they both have been deemed the most successful. Just follow the train of these two different States who are closest to what experience has deemed as successful in their own era. It would have saved us all. Forget blame and fix it. Seems to me the Baltimore Sun, all by itself can get it's crew together and present the stories of the Hawaii and Massachusetts health systems, right now. That alone will help me decide how to manage my own health in the US under any circumstances. It's not the bills in congress, it's the non-curiosity of We the People to google for ourselves,

    Along this type of thinking: I fought in MCI to move the backbone to Dallas TX. That was the decision of top brass. When we relocated under the glorious days of relocation, it was binat halev in the media that Dallas was going to be the IT capital of the world. The infrastructure was already being constructed. Names of streets tell the story. The "hope" lasted 5 years. Some of these streets never did get fully occupied. I watched as India took it all away. The other day I learned that India controls each of our pc's. Now exactly how did that happen? My relocation started in MCI in the DC area in 1989. Why India having the PC Call Center, not Dallas? I was helping my neighbor in Dallas with her PC problems and so during this period of time I did learn a lot about the evolution of the Call Center. Those guys with the then broken English couldn't obstruct my neighbor, she caught on fast, when I was around. She listened to how I talked to them. I could overcome their broken English obstruction. Now they speak perfect English. Repeat, why couldn't Dallas be the US Call Center? Why isn't Mexico teaching Mexicans to be bi-lingual with English as a second language?

    Then suddenly in the late 1990's the Reform Branch of Judaism changed it's founding philosophy and it healed the breach in US Judaism: Hebrew Chumash. That was a huge intellectual evolution for just plain old me. It certainly simplified "under God" politically for me.

    Now turn to Crisfield during the great depression. It didn't suffer. It WAS the seafood capital of the world. The reason for that decline was refusal to listen to people who believed in conservation. That was no mystery even back in 1950 when I listened to the old timers.

    Now turn to Garland TX, in the early 1990's. I attended a local business meeting about shopping in Garland. I learned from the old-timers that the reason Garland was so economically deprived was because they first was offered a Shopping Center and voted it down because they preferred to build residential complexes and keep it a quaint fundamentalist Christian community. So Mesquite got the only local Mall. So these old timers just had to suffer it all. I left for back home here in 2005 and they had almost completed building their very first Town Center. In the last two years I lived there, I suddenly saw shopping inside Garland occur and felt good that my sales taxes were generated in my Texas home town.

    My Main Street, Wall Street residential experience.

    Now P.G. County has the National Harbor. Also it has a great university and National Archives II and Beltsville Agriculture, all my local part of Maryland now. Oh yes, the ICC.

    Again why is the Call Center for Internet in India instead of Dallas?
    Massachusetts plan is not working. I don't know anything about Hawaii except they spend to much of their income on housing.

    Health Care costs are out of control. Cost containment should be priority one. Our system is being abused and that adds a lot to the costs. You have people calling ambulances to get a ride to the hospital for non emergencies. A certain segment of the population has been taught that is OK. They have been taught that the government will do for them what they don't want to do for themselves. So you have the free loader segment then you add a portion that actually goes out and actually commits fraud against the system further draining the system. Thats a double expense because a portion of the fraudsters are are a subset of the free loaders.

    Maryland was named among the 8 worst states for unfunded pension liabilities recently. Maryland needs to stop paying for the freeloaders as it is. When this last winter storm went through they should have rounded up all the free loaders and gave them shovels. You want get a check, start shoveling.

    I was in the grocery store line one day. The person in front of me had a loaded up to the top cart full of all kinds of stuff. I wondered about the amount and the cost. Then I saw it, the magic Independence card.

    Here is how you start to contain costs, mandatory drug testing for Welfare receipants and if you want to have kids:

    At least 21 years old
    Single or married
    May live in a house or apartment
    Have working telephone service
    All household members over 18 are willing to be fingerprinted and complete criminal back check
    Be financially stable
    Complete initial medical examination and bi-annual medical examination
    Provide three (3) references regarding your parenting ability
    Complete at least 27-hours of training
    Complete a home safety inspection
    Provide a child care plan
    Refrain from physical or corporal punishment

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