Fight for/against same-sex marriage begins in Maryland for 2012.

[MooGoo]

Perhaps you should start a referendum petition for that.

Conceal carry? Not a chance of it in this liberal State. In the cobwebs of my memory, I think that Del. Pat McDonough tried to do just that and it went exactly nowhere.

But, you have to agree that is all of the thugs have their own "conceal carry" without a permit, it may cut down on crime if law-abiding citizens were given the right to have their own form of "conceal carry".

[bmore_ken]

Conceal carry? Not a chance of it in this liberal State. In the cobwebs of my memory, I think that Del. Pat McDonough tried to do just that and it went exactly nowhere.

But, you have to agree that is all of the thugs have their own "conceal carry" without a permit, it may cut down on crime if law-abiding citizens were given the right to have their own form of "conceal carry".

Thugs will be thugs, I doubt a conceal carry law changes that. JMO. I've always been curious as to why those of you who feel your 2A rights are being violated haven't at least attempted it

[regularguy]

Should we put gun rights on the ballot as well?

That's not how it works under Maryland's constitution. We can petition a just-enacted bill to referendum before it takes effect, but not a law that is already on the books. I think the signatures have to be turned in by June of the year the bill passes the legislature.

California, and a bunch of other states, have an "initiative" process, where you can petition a change in the law and completely bypass the legislature.

[Bmoreteacher]

Ad hominem attacks on the messenger from someone entrusted to teach the youth of tomorrow? That's funny. What kind of role model are you fro the children? I mean, it is all about the children, isn't it?

Don't kill the messenger for telling you something you don't want to hear.

I am a coward for telling you how I feel?

Expressing your views does not make you a messenger, so you apparently don't understand what that phrase means. What ad hominem attack are you whining about? I think it is very cowardly for anyone to suggest my rights should be voted on, but not their own. Its very easy to suggest such a thing when it is not your head on the chopping block. As for me being a teacher, you make yourself sound ridiculous when you try to bring that in. I can't call you a coward because I am a teacher? Right, because my 4th graders are spending their Saturday morning reading the Baltimore Sun talk forums on the off chance that their teacher might post something.

[Bmoreteacher]

BTW, isn't that exactly waht the Legislature is doing? With this issue and others?

That is the legislature's job, and they've heard a lot of testimony before deciding. The general public will hear a lot of false advertising before deciding, which is absurdly tyrannical.

[Bmoreteacher]

Conceal carry rights, absolutely.

I am not certain if the Consitution of the United States touched on homosexualtity. But, maybe our resident teacher could tell us. The Constitution explicitly talked about our rights to bear arms. Not that that has stopped the judiciary from stepping all over our rights.


but, I digress.

Again, the issue here at hand is that people think homosexual marriage is wrong. If the State is going to enact laws one way or another, then the question needs to be put on the ballot and the people of Maryland be given the opportunity to decide. It is fairly simple.

You're not sure if the Constitution "touched" on homosexuality? Are you really admitting you're that incapable of reading a document? That reflects poorly on you, no one else.

[Bmoreteacher]

They do when their elected representatives punk out in the face of a vocal special interest groups and do not vote they way their constituents want them to. I hope Eric Bromwellhas another job lined up after the next election.

So if our legislator's constituents wanted slavery and segregation, they should represent those views?

[MooGoo]

You're not sure if the Constitution "touched" on homosexuality? Are you really admitting you're that incapable of reading a document? That reflects poorly on you, no one else.

Well, did it Mr. 4th grade teacher?

[Bmoreteacher]

Well, did it Mr. 4th grade teacher?

What kind of teacher would I be if I just gave you all the answers? If you need to ask something as absurdly stupid as that, I seriously suggest you read the document for yourself. We can discuss anything you don't understand

[MooGoo]

That is the legislature's job, and they've heard a lot of testimony before deciding. The general public will hear a lot of false advertising before deciding, which is absurdly tyrannical.

False advertising because it goes against what you want? Tyrannical is exactly what the Legislature is doing with this issue. More like an Oligarchy, but definitely not the voice of the people.

[MooGoo]

What kind of teacher would I be if I just gave you all the answers? If you need to ask something as absurdly stupid as that, I seriously suggest you read the document for yourself. We can discuss anything you don't understand

I thought we had been. And I still don't understand homosexuality. Why it is "right" and not wrong, and why gay marriage has to be forced upon the people of Maryland and why they shouldn't have a right to vote on it on the Nov. ballot.

BTW, "all men are created equal" speaks more to a creator and their equality at birth. What they become or what they make of themselves as they grow and mature is completely up to them. The true meaning of the "Freedom" that you hold so dear.

[Bmoreteacher]

False advertising because it goes against what you want? Tyrannical is exactly what the Legislature is doing with this issue. More like an Oligarchy, but definitely not the voice of the people.

Really? With about 50% of Marylanders saying they support gay marriage, how could you say its not the voice of the people? I say its false advertising because they've already started with the nonsense about "If gay marriage is legalized, our schools will be forced to teach about it." Nowhere in the curriculum is that even remotely true.

[Bmoreteacher]

I thought we had been. And I still don't understand homosexuality. Why it is "right" and not wrong, and why gay marriage has to be forced upon the people of Maryland and why they shouldn't have a right to vote on it on the Nov. ballot.

BTW, "all men are created equal" speaks more to a creator and their equality at birth. What they become or what they make of themselves as they grow and mature is completely up to them. The true meaning of the "Freedom" that you hold so dear.

Why is homosexuality right? Perhaps because it doesn't hurt anyone and it isn't just a decision that I made (nor any other gay person) to suddenly be attracted to the same sex. That has nothing to do with the Constitution though. I'm hoping you weren't seriously asking if the Constitution touched on homosexuality, as that would imply you've never actually read it.

How is gay marriage forced upon you? Nothing will change for you in the slightest. If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay person.

[MooGoo]

Really? With about 50% of Marylanders saying they support gay marriage, how could you say its not the voice of the people? I say its false advertising because they've already started with the nonsense about "If gay marriage is legalized, our schools will be forced to teach about it." Nowhere in the curriculum is that even remotely true.

Put it on the ballot. If what you say is true, then all they would need is 1% and my arguement is moot.

BTW, aren't you teaching about it and advocating for it and indoctrinating the students in your classroom on one level or another, already. I mean, even though it isn't in the "curriculum".

[Bmoreteacher]

Put it on the ballot. If what you say is true, then all they would need is 1% and my arguement is moot.

BTW, aren't you teaching about it and advocating for it and indoctrinating the students in your classroom on one level or another, already. I mean, even though it isn't in the "curriculum".

What I say is true, but scare tactics and threatening people about their children can be more powerful than logic many times, unfortunately.

No, I'm not teaching about it, advocating it, and/or indoctrinating my students. What would make you ask that? In 4th grade, there's barely enough time to get in the entire curriculum, let alone stop for discussions that aren't in the curriculum.

[MooGoo]

Why is homosexuality right? Perhaps because it doesn't hurt anyone and it isn't just a decision that I made (nor any other gay person) to suddenly be attracted to the same sex. That has nothing to do with the Constitution though. I'm hoping you weren't seriously asking if the Constitution touched on homosexuality, as that would imply you've never actually read it.

How is gay marriage forced upon you? Nothing will change for you in the slightest. If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay person.

it will impact me and my children when some woman introduces her significant other as her "wife" or some guy introduces his significant other as his "husband". Then, I will be forced to teach my children my "bigoted" views on why a child shouldn't have two mommies or daddies.

It is all about the children, right?

[Bmoreteacher]

it will impact me and my children when some woman introduces her significant other as her "wife" or some guy introduces his significant other as his "husband". Then, I will be forced to teach my children my "bigoted" views on why a child shouldn't have two mommies or daddies.

But kids have 2 mommies or 2 daddies whether or not gays can get married, and we're still in your neighborhood whether we get married or not, so you need to work on your reason for how gay marriage will affect you. (Hint, the reason you might be struggling to coherently answer that is because it won't affect you!)

[MooGoo]

But kids have 2 mommies or 2 daddies whether or not gays can get married, and we're still in your neighborhood whether we get married or not, so you need to work on your reason for how gay marriage will affect you. (Hint, the reason you might be struggling to coherently answer that is because it won't affect you!)

"you" aren't in my neighborhood. The gay couples that live here are (again) so self-absorbed they couldn't possibly make time for children. They treat their pets better that most families treat their children. Trust me.

Plus, if they had kids then they would have to spend $24,000 per child at the private schools because the public shcools are so messed up, and then they wouldn't be able to afford the new BMWs and Mercedes. Trust me "you" don't live here.

[Bmoreteacher]

"you" aren't in my neighborhood. The gay couples that live here are (again) so self-absorbed they couldn't possibly make time for children. They treat their pets better that most families treat their children. Trust me.

Plus, if they had kids then they would have to spend $24,000 per child at the private schools because the public shcools are so messed up, and then they wouldn't be able to afford the new BMWs and Mercedes. Trust me "you" don't live here.

That doesn't make your answer any more logical. Good try though! By all means, tell me...where is "here"?

[MooGoo]

That doesn't make your answer any more logical. Good try though! By all means, tell me...where is "here"?

At which school do you teach ?



But, it is logical. And the gay couples that live around here that I know all do not have kids. Adopted or otherwise.

Put the question on the ballot and let the people of Maryland have a vote. What is so scary about that? How would that effect you? It is just a simple vote.