Mr. Woollard wins!? Good and substantial clause for handgun permits unconstitutional.

[regularguy]

Take a couple of deep breaths and figure out what you're trying to say...

*breathe*

46% advocate stricter gun control laws
38% advocate keeping gun control laws as they are now.
13% advocate less strict gun control laws

*exhale*

... without coming across as a hypocrite or a liar.

You might consider not coming across as rude.

[ProGun Progressive]

Apparently "advocate" now means "anyone asked a polling question".

[yuca]

*breathe*

46% advocate stricter gun control laws
38% advocate keeping gun control laws as they are now.
13% advocate less strict gun control laws

*exhale*

I think you held your breath a little too long. I'm not sure how this relates to your claim that the majority of Americans are "gun control advocates."

You might consider not coming across as rude.

If I were being rude, I'd call you a liar and a hypocrite for no good reason. I certainly did not do that. I merely suggested that you gather your thoughts because your posts conflict with one another. In fact, it was a polite suggestion, given the degree of "inconsistency" (putting it mildly) in your arguments.

Apparently "advocate" now means "anyone asked a polling question".

That's what I got out of his response as well.

[regularguy]

I'm not sure how this relates to your claim that the majority of Americans are "gun control advocates."

Well, I'm afraid that's the best I can do. Sorry.

That's what I got out of his response as well.

Since we're playing "English teacher" today, I'm pretty sure he meant to say "answering a polling question".

[NOTAGUNNUT]

Since we're playing "English teacher" today, I'm pretty sure he meant to say "answering a polling question".

I don't think there was any mistake there at all, since the pollsters generally structure the questions in such a way to get the answe they are looking for in an effort to support a specific position.

What do you suppose the reuslt of the same poll would be if the NRA were the pollster?


... and the Pew research center disagrees with your "source".

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/443/the-...-control-slips


From the above link;
"As attitudes toward the NRA have warmed, attitudes toward more restrictive gun control have cooled. In September 1990, 78% of respondents in a national survey told Gallup they felt that laws governing the sale of firearms should be stricter. The figure declined throughout the 1990s and reached its lowest point (51%) in October 2002. Since then support for stricter controls on guns has hovered in the mid-50s, reaching a peak of 60% in 2004.

Most recently, in October 2006, 56% of people told Gallup they favored stricter gun-sales laws. However, when given the choice in that poll between enforcing current gun laws more strictly or doing that plus passing new gun laws, most people (53%) preferred only that current laws be enforced more strictly.

At the same time, attitudes toward guns themselves are shifting. When asked whether a gun in the house makes the house safer or more dangerous, 47% said safer in October 2006 - up from 35% in August 2000 and 42% in October 2004."



With all that, it matters about as much as the number of people in this Country who would like to ban abortions.

As long as the Courts say so, the right exists, and according to the Federal court's rulings the right to keep and bear arms is on par with the right to vote, and to an abortion. States are allowed to regulate them all, but they are not allowed to infringe on any of them.

[Dryfire]

I'm a gun control advocate.

I believe you should hit your target every time you pull the trigger.

Gun control is a steady aim and hitting what you're shooting at!

[regularguy]

... and the Pew research center disagrees with your "source".

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/443/the-...-control-slips


From the above link;
... 56% of people told Gallup they favored stricter gun-sales laws.

Interesting! In your survey, a considerably higher percentage answered that they wanted stricter gun laws, than in the survey I linked.

[NOTAGUNNUT]

Interesting! In your survey, a considerably higher percentage answered that they wanted stricter gun laws, than in the survey I linked.

You are cherry picking becuas they asked a question that your poll did not.

However, when given the choice in that poll between enforcing current gun laws more strictly or doing that plus passing new gun laws, most people (53%) preferred only that current laws be enforced more strictly.

I'm really liking the trend that Pew shows.

Unlike your one time snapshot, the Pew research covers the same points over 15 years, and you're position is steadily losing ground.

Education is a wonderful thing, and the more people learn about guns, and TRUTHFUL STATISTICS the less they will support the extreme positions that have been propped up by the lies of the past, such as the "13 kids a day..." nonsense.

[Eastside Terp]

anyone that thinks you can move away from crime is mistaken ......

I feel more of a need to keep a gun in my house in the boonies than I did living in the city for all those decades ........

Sykesville Resident Threatened With Knife in Burglary

Carroll County sheriff's deputies were searching for a man who threatened a Sykesville resident with a knife during a residential burglary Friday night, according to a department press release. Upon checking the garage, the victim came face to face with the suspect, described as a black male, with a mustache, approximately 35, wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and black pants.

The suspect ran into the yard before running back toward the resident with a knife, according to the release.The victim was able to get inside the house and lock the door.

[NOTAGUNNUT]

anyone that thinks you can move away from crime is mistaken ......

I feel more of a need to keep a gun in my house in the boonies than I did living in the city for all those decades ........

Sykesville Resident Threatened With Knife in Burglary

Carroll County sheriff's deputies were searching for a man who threatened a Sykesville resident with a knife during a residential burglary Friday night, according to a department press release. Upon checking the garage, the victim came face to face with the suspect, described as a black male, with a mustache, approximately 35, wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and black pants.

The suspect ran into the yard before running back toward the resident with a knife, according to the release.The victim was able to get inside the house and lock the door.

Anyone who thinks they are saf from violent crime anywhere is a fool.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle brought up that point in a sherlock Holmes story while Holmes, and Watson were on a train in the countryside. Watson remarked to Holmes how peaceful, and beautiful the countryside was, and Holmes remarked that there was no telling what could be happening in houses that were miles from the next.
Cime is certainly concentrated in the cities, but "in the boonies" where response times are multiplied many times one had better be prepared to mount a defense to a home invasion because an invader knows he's got at least 15-20 minutes after a call is made... IF a call is made at all.

[pepper]

anyone that thinks you can move away from crime is mistaken ......

I feel more of a need to keep a gun in my house in the boonies than I did living in the city for all those decades ........

Sykesville Resident Threatened With Knife in Burglary

Carroll County sheriff's deputies were searching for a man who threatened a Sykesville resident with a knife during a residential burglary Friday night, according to a department press release. Upon checking the garage, the victim came face to face with the suspect, described as a black male, with a mustache, approximately 35, wearing a black hooded sweatshirt and black pants.

The suspect ran into the yard before running back toward the resident with a knife, according to the release.The victim was able to get inside the house and lock the door.

Of course thats true, but you can seriously change your odds of being a victim. No need to mention violent crime rates, city Vs county, thats too easy, but compare other stuff like auto break-in rates...it's clear that in some areas, you are way more likely to be a victim of a crime.

Move away from crime? No. Move away from the likelyhood? Certainly. I bet that in just about any catagory, Baltimores crime rates are higher than all the jurisdictions in the state combined, per year.

[pcfixer]

Woollard v. Sheridan
http://monachuslex.com/?p=828

[qoute]As you may recall, Woollard v. Sheridan is the Maryland case in which US District Court Judge Benson Everett Legg struck down Maryland’s discretionary may-issue handgun permitting scheme. In that ruling, he held that “the right to bear arms is not limited to the home” and declared Maryland’s requirement that applicants articulate a “good and substantial reason” unconstitutional both in general and as-applied to Mr. Woollard.

As reported in this column, Judge Legg subsequently granted a temporary stay of his order pending a consideration of arguments for and against the issuance of a permanent stay. The temporary stay laid out a timeline in which three briefs will be filed before he makes his final decision. The first was an April 19th deadline for the state.[/quote]

[Mitchum]

LOL "In this reporter’s opinion,......."

and that about says it all right there.

[octoburn]

Someone should organize another one of those Open Holster protests.

[Mitchum]

LOL Maybe they hold in Annapolis on a government holiday again!

[pcfixer]

Federal Judge has issued a temporary stay that could be lifted soon. MSP will have to start the issue of permits.

Quoted from supplimental brief SAF:
Defendants fail to carry their heavy burden of justifying the stay of an injunction, especially
as the injunction addresses the widespread denial of a fundamental constitutional right. The facts are
simple: (1) Maryland has higher crime than many “shall issue” states; (2) regardless of one’s view
of criminological theory—a belief that guns lead to crime or reduce crime—handgun carry permit
holders do not commit much crime, and even less crime theoretically enabled by the permit; and (3)
were this Court’s decision reversed, the logistical impact upon Defendants would be negligible.
Defendants open by conceding that a stay is unavailable. endquote.

[Mitchum]

So, does Woollard have his permit yet?

....or were the Nutters trying to spike the football prematurely?

[Cetshwayo]

Woolard is Maryland's Rosa Parks.

[pcfixer]

So, does Woollard have his permit yet?

....or were the Nutters trying to spike the football prematurely?

Mr Woollard does NOT have his permit. Md state was granted a temporary stay that includes everyone who applied between 3rd of March and 1 April when the temp stay was signed by Judge Legg.

[Cetshwayo]

Wouldn't it be something if the State of Maryland offered every illegal a "stay" on their requests for welfare, food stance, medicaid, indigent legal services and libary card?