Black teen shot and killed in gated community

[soulflower]

I don't know. Did he even go to the scene? How involved was he? They really don't say too much about his actual involvement. Was it his call? Or the States Attorney's?

The lead detective Chris Serino didn't buy Zimmerman's account but the State's Attorney didnt think there was enough evidence to press charges.

http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/201.../#.T4jUtEfCvFA

[Rintrah]

Why didn't he stalk any of the others he called in?

He may have not been carrying his gun with him then.

Why didn't he ever show his gun?

Show it to whom? How do you know he didn't show it and how is that relevant?

Why didn't he ever have a single issue as watch captain?

How do you know he didn't? Maybe not as grand as this one, but situations where he made others feel uncomfortable.

Why does everyone who knows him, defend him?

They don't. I heard from one guy who told about how he got fired from a security guard position because he was too over the top in confronting people he thought were suspicious.

Why didn't he know Trayvons race when he was asked by the 911 dispatcher?

Did you listen to Zimmerman's 911 call? When the dispacher asked what race he was, Zimmerman didn't say he didn't know. He said, "He looks black." He soon confirmed he was a black male. Then he decided he had to be tailed.

Why didn't Trayvon just keep on his way home once he ran past Zimmerman?

Because someone who was told not to follow Trayvon caught up to him and this time Zimmerman was determined not to let this one get away as he said the others were always doing.

How did Zimmerman pass a lie detector test after just killing someone in cold blood?

How do you know he did? If he did, how do you know the questions asked of him were the right ones? Why don't you know that born liars have no problem with lie detector tests, which is why courts consider them unreliable.

Why did Zimmerman stay in close contact with the police the whole time he was in hiding?

He probably felt comfortable around them figuring they bought his story before and probably hoping they'd do it again.

Why did the media concoct a race war over one shooting death when hundreds have happened since without even a mention?

There's a race war? Does that mean I have to give up my friends of other races? I've grown kind of fond of them. In this race war of yours, on what side are people of mixed race?

Questions for you. What did Zimmerman see in Trayvon to think there was something wrong with him? Why did Zimmerman ignore the police dispatcher's request not to follow Trayvon? Why didn't Zimmerman stay near the mailboxes and wait for the police like he said he'd do? Why did Zimmerman fail to look at the situation from Trayvon's perspective, that Trayvon probably took off as he did because a strange man seemed to be stalking him? Why did he shoot Trayvon after several seconds of Trayvon pleading for help?

[Cetshwayo]

Do you not read his posts?

How can you deny the appalling amount of bigotry and prejudice behind what he writes?

Will you and the rest of the extreme right ever tire of this nonsensical attempt to equate calling someone out on their bigotry with simple disagreement?

I adjudicate the poster in question reasonable under the circumstances, devoid of "bigotry".

[Cetshwayo]

The lead detective Chris Serino didn't buy Zimmerman's account but the State's Attorney didnt think there was enough evidence to press charges.

http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/201.../#.T4jUtEfCvFA

This detective Serino might be a top notch detective, could be he likes to make arrests or go to court. The issue is it takes much less evidence to charge than it does to convict. That's probably what happened and there was a disageement between Serino and the stets attorney, happens all the time.

[Byng]

This detective Serino might be a top notch detective, could be he likes to make arrests or go to court. The issue is it takes much less evidence to charge than it does to convict. That's probably what happened and there was a disageement between Serino and the stets attorney, happens all the time.

But a new team, using the same evidence, came to the same conclusion as Serino in fact, they saw enough 'probable cause' to charge Zimmerman with 2nd. Degree Murder, a step up from 'Aggravated Manslaughter'.

It will be very interesting to see the results of the Justice Department Investigation into the Police Chief (you will have of course noted that he does not have his job back) and the District Attorney, that between them set Zimmerman free the night of the killing.

[8ball]

I adjudicate the poster in question reasonable under the circumstances, devoid of "bigotry".

But if you don't walk lock step with the party plan any words you utter prove beyond a shadow of a liberal doubt that you're a bigotted, homophobe, women/children hater! Just ask Phineas Finn!

[soulflower]

This detective Serino might be a top notch detective, could be he likes to make arrests or go to court. The issue is it takes much less evidence to charge than it does to convict. That's probably what happened and there was a disageement between Serino and the stets attorney, happens all the time.

I agree. The point I was making is that for whatever reason, the detective who initially investigated the Zimmerman case didn't really buy his story. The detective wanted to make an arrest but prosecutors don't like to take on cases if they don't think they can get a conviction.

The Special Prosecutor who decided to charge Zimmerman last week, conducted her own investigation and may have some evidence that wasn't brought to light during the first investigation. If she doesn't then she probably shouldn't have pressed charges. But we'll find out soon enough whether or not she has a strong case...

[Byng]

The attorney for George Zimmerman has requested a new judge in the Trayvon Martin case, claiming she has a conflict of interest because of her husband's law firm, Central Florida News 13 reports.
Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler is married to a partner at the firm of noted Orlando lawyer Mark NeJame, whom CNN has hired to offer analysis of the case.
The judge will consider the motion by Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, and rule later.

[pepper]

Now on this I will agree with you JB. Revenge, fear, "payback" and racism are things that have tainted our judicial system for years. A lot of folks, especially those you prolly frequently rub elbows with, have a code word for it,... 'Closure'! In the old days those words pushed mobs, lynching parties, and all white 'good ole boy' juries letting white murderers go free IF the person they murdered was either Black, Brown or Red. Oh and let's not forget those same forces bringing us again all white 'good ole boy' juries and Sheriffs who would arrest, try and jail those who've done nothing at all except being something other than white. So I agree, Revenge, Fear, Payback and Racism does pollute our system sadly.

I also agree when you use O.J. as an example. When O.J. was acquitted,... good God, I thought every white person in America was going to have a stroke. Kinda funny it was.

If you really thought every white person in America was going to have a stroke based on that verdict, you're not real smart, and you were projecting. There were no strokes, or rioting, or any real response from white America. It was celebrity crap, nothing more. "white" America, same with "black" America, went to work the next morning. You're confusing the media hype with the actual reaction, which was sort of like an American Idol elimination. Makes news, but life goes on.

Can you explain what you mean by that? You have nothing to back it up, so why go there?

Conversely, if Zimmerman is aquitted, or found not guilty, you can expect a Rodney King verdict replay, and you know it. Morons will make their displeasure known through violence. Rodney King, remember? Better folks have strokes than take it out on businesses and hapless folks driving through an intersection.

And even thats a reflection on a minority of people.

The real issue is how to form a jury. Those folks will be named after the trial, and would you want to be one of them if the concensus is not guilty? We need people that are willing to convict or find not guilty. If theres a conviction, those jury members walk away unscathed. If they find Zimmerman not guilty, they risk the wrath of a segment of the population thats already fired up and are demanding Zimmerman be jailed.

[jtowne-swim]

If you really thought every white person in America was going to have a stroke based on that verdict, you're not real smart, and you were projecting. There were no strokes, or rioting, or any real response from white America. It was celebrity crap, nothing more. "white" America, same with "black" America, went to work the next morning. You're confusing the media hype with the actual reaction, which was sort of like an American Idol elimination. Makes news, but life goes on.

Can you explain what you mean by that? You have nothing to back it up, so why go there?

Conversely, if Zimmerman is aquitted, or found not guilty, you can expect a Rodney King verdict replay, and you know it. Morons will make their displeasure known through violence. Rodney King, remember? Better folks have strokes than take it out on businesses and hapless folks driving through an intersection.

And even thats a reflection on a minority of people.

The real issue is how to form a jury. Those folks will be named after the trial, and would you want to be one of them if the concensus is not guilty? We need people that are willing to convict or find not guilty. If theres a conviction, those jury members walk away unscathed. If they find Zimmerman not guilty, they risk the wrath of a segment of the population thats already fired up and are demanding Zimmerman be jailed.

The later is a reason why trials like this take a while to ever be tried. As time passes you are able to find more open minded juries because even if they held a strong opinion at the time they take a step back and you are able to find more potential jury members who can objectively look at the evidence. You will not find many non-exposed jurors but you can find the ones who have no opinion or can objectively look at the evidence.

[jessup270]

I saw one of the black leaders on tv saying that the main issue was that if a black man had acted in the same manner as Zimmerman, the black man would have been arrested right away.

Lets say for the sake of argument that is true.

Assuming that position, why don't black leaders/citizens demand justice, with rallies, protests and so forth, when a seemingly guilty black man is NOT arrested for a killing in the black community.

I can't recall a such rallies, perhaps I missed the news of the day of those rallies.

Are such rallies only reserved for incidents involving white citizens.

[jessup270]

This detective Serino might be a top notch detective, could be he likes to make arrests or go to court. The issue is it takes much less evidence to charge than it does to convict. That's probably what happened and there was a disageement between Serino and the stets attorney, happens all the time.

Citizens are under the opinion that police bring charges.

The police bring charges to HOLD a suspect, the States Attorney decides whether or not to prosecute.

Like the poster said it happens all the time.

Police my bring 6 charges in a case, the States Attorney my decide to try only one.

[sigmalady]

I saw one of the black leaders on tv saying that the main issue was that if a black man had acted in the same manner as Zimmerman, the black man would have been arrested right away.

Lets say for the sake of argument that is true.

Assuming that position, why don't black leaders/citizens demand justice, with rallies, protests and so forth, when a seemingly guilty black man is NOT arrested for a killing in the black community.

I can't recall a such rallies, perhaps I missed the news of the day of those rallies.

Are such rallies only reserved for incidents involving white citizens.

The mainstream media doesn't cover events that decry black on black violence. I haven't seen any news reports regarding a seemingly guilty black man not being arrested for a killing in the black community. When black people hurt or injure other blacks its not front page news for days on end. Amazingly, despite the so-called prevalence of no snitching, perpetrators are almost always identified when the victims are white.

[yuca]

The mainstream media doesn't cover events that decry black on black violence. I haven't seen any news reports regarding a seemingly guilty black man not being arrested for a killing in the black community. When black people hurt or injure other blacks its not front page news for days on end. Amazingly, despite the so-called prevalence of no snitching, perpetrators are almost always identified when the victims are white.

I'm not so sure that I would make such a claim. We're one month after the brutal attack in Baltimore, and only one of the dozen or so perpetrators has been identified. And the one perpetrator's identity was known for over a week prior to the arrest.

Regardless, the media doesn't like to report on black-on-anything violence, because those stories are essentially "dog bites man" stories (plus, they don't want to be seen as fueling racism). The relatively rare and sensational case of white-on-black violence is considered "man bites dog." I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is.

[Phineas Finn]

I adjudicate the poster in question reasonable under the circumstances, devoid of "bigotry".

Why am I not the least bit surprised?

[Baltimatt]

I'm not so sure that I would make such a claim. We're one month after the brutal attack in Baltimore, and only one of the dozen or so perpetrators has been identified. And the one perpetrator's identity was known for over a week prior to the arrest.

Regardless, the media doesn't like to report on black-on-anything violence, because those stories are essentially "dog bites man" stories (plus, they don't want to be seen as fueling racism). The relatively rare and sensational case of white-on-black violence is considered "man bites dog." I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is.

Yes, there's a story on Locals about two white men who were the subject of racial slurs and a physical attack. If the Sun is going to publish that much, why not state that the two suspects arrested so far are black (which I found out through the Maryland Judiciary Case Search) and what the race(s) of the remaining at-large suspects is?

[Byng]

I'm not so sure that I would make such a claim. We're one month after the brutal attack in Baltimore, and only one of the dozen or so perpetrators has been identified. And the one perpetrator's identity was known for over a week prior to the arrest.

Regardless, the media doesn't like to report on black-on-anything violence, because those stories are essentially "dog bites man" stories (plus, they don't want to be seen as fueling racism). The relatively rare and sensational case of white-on-black violence is considered "man bites dog." I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is.

It seems like many on the right still feel the need to defend the shooter while putting the onus on the victim not to wear certain clothing and not act a certain way to make sure that conservatives don't respond to them in a fearful manner. Really? The mind boggles!

[Smokey 1]

It seems like many on the right still feel the need to defend the shooter while putting the onus on the victim not to wear certain clothing and not act a certain way to make sure that conservatives don't respond to them in a fearful manner. Really? The mind boggles!

I think that is a faulty and biased interpretation.

[Byng]

I think that is a faulty and biased interpretation.

Then unbiasedly and objectively read back over 3000 plus posts to see how those on the right view the subject (including yourself) and those on the left view the situation!

[Smokey 1]

Then unbiasedly and objectively read back over 3000 plus posts to see how those on the right view the subject (including yourself) and those on the left view the situation!

"Myself" is waiting for all the evidence to be presented before I make a judgement. I just hope justice prevails. Like I said before my only bias is that I hope "stand your ground" laws will not be invalidated because of this case. I don't think Zimmerman's motivation had anything to do with Tayvon's race or dress. Zimmerman wasn't even sure of his race until he was asked by the dispatcher.