Black teen shot and killed in gated community

[Marshan Man]

If the recent string of break-ins in that community were committed by white or hispanic people, I'd be inclined to agree with you.

That has nothing to do with Trayvon. It matters nothing to this case.

You're saying it's okay to violate one's civil rights because of the actions of others. How far would you like to take this "policy" of yours?? That's a dangerous precedent.

[Daan]

If you believe Trayvon was profiled and followed do you believe that gave Trayvon the right to attack Zimmerman?

There has been no report of a witness to how the initial confrontation occurred.

Do we know that Martin was not defending himself from an armed stranger?

No, we don't.

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[yuca]

That has nothing to do with Trayvon. It matters nothing to this case.

You're saying it's okay to violate one's civil rights because of the actions of others. How far would you like to take this "policy" of yours?? That's a dangerous precedent.

Let's be realistic here. If crimes in a certain neighborhood are being committed by individuals who share certain characteristics, people will be suspicious of other individuals with the same characteristics.

It's common sense.

[soulflower]

It's tough to defend Zimmerman's decision to call 911 and follow Trayvon. Simply walking in the rain wearing a hoodie is not enough for me to be suspicious of anyone.

[soulflower]

Let's be realistic here. If crimes in a certain neighborhood are being committed by individuals who share certain characteristics, people will be suspicious of other individuals with the same characteristics.

It's common sense.

No it isn't. And either way, Zimmerman was dead wrong in his judgement of Trayvon.

[Daan]

Let's be realistic here. If crimes in a certain neighborhood are being committed by individuals who share certain characteristics, people will be suspicious of other individuals with the same characteristics.

It's common sense.

No, it's you who should get real.

What "certain characteristics" would you be referring to?

Again, Zimmerman profiled Martin as being:

• on drugs
• up to no good
• an @$$hole
• a f'ing punk

Based on no evidence.

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[Marshan Man]

Let's be realistic here. If crimes in a certain neighborhood are being committed by individuals who share certain characteristics, people will be suspicious of other individuals with the same characteristics.

It's common sense.

Suspicion is one thing....acting on that suspicion is another, and it's not justified nor justifiable. Understandable yes, but you can't go initiating contact with people that escalates to someone's death based on suspicions. Suspicions aren't always right. One might argue they're not even a right a majority of the time...

[yuca]

No it isn't. And either way, Zimmerman was dead wrong in his judgement of Trayvon.

Considering that Martin was suspended from school on a drug-related offense and possessing stolen property, I don't think that Zimmerman's judgement was way off base. Martin had apparently been suspended 3 different times from school.

Of course, it doesn't mean that Zimmerman had the right to do what he did. But as has been said before, the facts will all be sorted out in court.

[Marshan Man]

Considering that Martin was suspended from school on a drug-related offense and possessing stolen property, I don't think that Zimmerman's judgement was way off base. Martin had apparently been suspended 3 different times from school.

Of course, it doesn't mean that Zimmerman had the right to do what he did. But as has been said before, the facts will all be sorted out in court.

Getting suspended 3x led to his death? That's just ludicrous...even for you.

People get suspended all the time and don't turn out to be criminals. I could see if you said he knocked off 3 liquor stores...

His suspensions have has nothing to do with ANYTHING, and yes Zimmerman was obviously WAY OFF base. If he weren't he wouldn't be in this predicament.

[Baltimatt]

Yuca--How would Zimmerman have known that?

[soulflower]

Considering that Martin was suspended from school on a drug-related offense and possessing stolen property, I don't think that Zimmerman's judgement was way off base. Martin had apparently been suspended 3 different times from school.

Of course, it doesn't mean that Zimmerman had the right to do what he did. But as has been said before, the facts will all be sorted out in court.

Martin's behavior at school is irrelevant to the case. Zimmerman knew nothing about Martin on the night of the shooting. Martin wasn't in the middle of committing a crime. If he saw Martin carrying a screw driver or looking in different car windows, that would be suspicious. But based on what we know so far, there's sensible reason why Zimmerman should have followed him or called 911.

[yuca]

Getting suspended 3x led to his death? That's just ludicrous...even for you.

People get suspended all the time and don't turn out to be criminals. I could see if you said he knocked off 3 liquor stores...

His suspensions have has nothing to do with ANYTHING, and yes Zimmerman was obviously WAY OFF base. If he weren't he wouldn't be in this predicament.

My point was that Zimmerman saw someone who appeared to be on drugs and suspected that he was a thief.

I guess I'm the only one who sees the irony.

[Byng]

Where do you get that Robert Zimmerman is Jewish, unless you're confusing him with Bob Dylan?

Robert Zimmerman, George Zimmerman's father has been described in some reports as Jewish and in other reports as Catholic. However, his religion has nothing to do with the case and all reports describe Robert Zimmerman as WHITE!

Now reread my previous post and you will perhaps get the very pertinent point I was making as to why George Zimmerman is being described almost exclusively (with the exception of his father who insists on describing George as Hispanic), as a WHITE/Hispanic.

Unless of course you think that his religion might be an issue in this case? As for me I have not heard that it is!

[Smokey 1]

Robert Zimmerman, George Zimmerman's father has been described in some reports as Jewish and in other reports as Catholic. However, his religion has nothing to do with the case and all reports describe Robert Zimmerman as WHITE!

Now reread my previous post and you will perhaps get the very pertinent point I was making as to why George Zimmerman is being described almost exclusively (with the exception of his father who insists on describing George as Hispanic), as a WHITE/Hispanic.

Unless of course you think that his religion might be an issue in this case? As for me I have not heard that it is!

The best I can make of that post is that you believe Zimmerman is being touted as being white because whites are assumed to be racist against blacks.

[soulflower]

My point was that Zimmerman saw someone who appeared to be on drugs and suspected that he was a thief.

I guess I'm the only one who sees the irony.

If the toxicology tests on Trayvon show that he was high at the time of the incident with Zimmerman, you might have a point. Otherwise, his school history is really irrelevant to the case.

[Byng]

The best I can make of that post is that you believe Zimmerman is being touted as being white because whites are assumed to be racist against blacks.

With the exception of Magistrate Robert Zimmerman who keeps insisting that his Son is Hispanic and as such, can't be racist!

[Baltimatt]

Robert Zimmerman, George Zimmerman's father has been described in some reports as Jewish and in other reports as Catholic. However, his religion has nothing to do with the case and all reports describe Robert Zimmerman as WHITE!

Now reread my previous post and you will perhaps get the very pertinent point I was making as to why George Zimmerman is being described almost exclusively (with the exception of his father who insists on describing George as Hispanic), as a WHITE/Hispanic.

Unless of course you think that his religion might be an issue in this case? As for me I have not heard that it is!

Then why did you call him (Zimmerman's father) a "White Jewish American"? What is pertinent about that, particularly since I haven't seen anything indicating it is true? Why did you mention Jewish but not Catholic? I understand the point you were trying to make except when you threw in that curveball.

[yuca]

If the toxicology tests on Trayvon show that he was high at the time of the incident with Zimmerman, you might have a point. Otherwise, his school history is really irrelevant to the case.

You're right. What a person does in his past is not an indicator whatsoever of what he will do in the future.

[Wizard777]

I disagree. If I saw someone wandering around in the rain, without an umbrella, I would find that suspicious. Regardless of race.

So you view Zimmermans actions that night to be even more suspicious. Because he was walking around in the rain with a gun instead of an umbrella. There is just no doubt about it, Zimmerman was up to no good that night. Because if Zimmerman did not leave the house that rainy night with nefarious intent he would have taken an umbrella with him instead of a gun. I don't think the defense will be pushing that angle. That argument just advanced a theory of second degree murder to first degree murder.

[soulflower]

You're right. What a person does in his past is not an indicator whatsoever of what he will do in the future.

By your logic we should throw people in jail based on the probability that they will commit crimes. To hell with free will

Obviously the presumption of innocence only applies to Zimmerman in your eyes...