Black teen shot and killed in gated community

[soulflower]

They are relevent to the mind set of someone who would attack someone for just being followed witnesses or not.

Using your logic, Zimmerman's MySpace is relevant if the prosecution wants to show the mindset of someone who has anger management issues and has problems with minorities in his neighborhood

[Smokey 1]

Using your logic, Zimmerman's MySpace is relevant if the prosecution wants to show the mindset of someone who has anger management issues and has problems with minorities in his neighborhood

Yes, they both are fair game.

[musicmd]

Maybe he does. We will see in the trial won't we?

You will know. If there is a trial.

[Smokey 1]

You will know. If there is a trial.

Why do you think there won't be a trial?

[musicmd]

Yes, they both are fair game.

Martin has anger issues ?

[yuca]

Zimmerman's social media account is relevant to the case. He's the defendant so everything he has said publicly is relevant. Martin's accounts are irrelevant because hes the victim...

Martin could very well have been the aggressor and initiated the physical attack.

Just because you're being followed, it does not give you the right to attack the person following you, unless the person following you attacks first. We have already heard from several people on this thread who think that they have the right to attack anyone who simply follows them. To me, that helps support the notion that Martin was the one who attacked (that, along with all the physical evidence and eyewitness testimony).

Since we're looking at Z's previous behavior, in all those times he called the police, he never once confronted the suspects. I have no doubt that he would have followed them, though.

If Martin showed tendencies towards violence and committing crime in his social media accounts, then it IS relevant. And yes, his suspensions from school within the past year are also relevant.

The prosecution is going to look at Z's history and try to paint him as a violent, racist person. They're also going to prop up Martin and try to make him look like the innocent 12-year-old the media portrayed him as. The defense, on the other hand, might try to paint Martin as a criminal who previously committed theft, used drugs, and may have had violent tendencies and show supporting evidence from social media. The defense will also try to make Z look like a choir boy who tutored minority children.

As I said, everything is fair game, and each side will be spinning away. Zimmerman's defense team is more limited in its options, IMHO, because tearing down the perceived "victim" could backfire in front of a sympathetic jury.

[musicmd]

Why do you think there won't be a trial?

I said "If". I did not say there won't be a trial. Moreover, you use "if" a lot.

[Wizard777]

Martin could very well have been the aggressor and initiated the physical attack.

Just because you're being followed, it does not give you the right to attack the person following you, unless the person following you attacks first. We have already heard from several people on this thread who think that they have the right to attack anyone who simply follows them. To me, that helps support the notion that Martin was the one who attacked (that, along with all the physical evidence and eyewitness testimony).

Since we're looking at Z's previous behavior, in all those times he called the police, he never once confronted the suspects. I have no doubt that he would have followed them, though.

If Martin showed tendencies towards violence and committing crime in his social media accounts, then it IS relevant. And yes, his suspensions from school within the past year are also relevant.

The prosecution is going to look at Z's history and try to paint him as a violent, racist person. They're also going to prop up Martin and try to make him look like the innocent 12-year-old the media portrayed him as. The defense, on the other hand, might try to paint Martin as a criminal who previously committed theft, used drugs, and may have had violent tendencies and show supporting evidence from social media. The defense will also try to make Z look like a choir boy who tutored minority children.

As I said, everything is fair game, and each side will be spinning away. Zimmerman's defense team is more limited in its options, IMHO, because tearing down the perceived "victim" could backfire in front of a sympathetic jury.

For the 100th time. Under Florida law the initial aggressor is the person who provokes the use of force. NOT the first to use force.

[Jeebus]

For the 100th time. Under Florida law the initial aggressor is the person who provokes the use of force. NOT the first to use force.

And for the 100th time, if the initial aggressor "breaks off" and force is subsequently used against him, he regains the right of SYG and all of its protections.

Florida Law 776.041

[yuca]

For the 100th time. Under Florida law the initial aggressor is the person who provokes the use of force. NOT the first to use force.

That's an issue for the courts to settle. I believe that if the average person sees someone following him on a public right of way, his first instinct would not be to attack and kill the person following him.

If SYG allows such indiscriminate killing, then the law has a LOT more problems than I initially thought.

[Diego]

And for the 100th time, if the initial aggressor "breaks off" and force is subsequently used against him, he regains the right of SYG and all of its protections.

Florida Law 776.041

Not to mention, also for the 100th time, that simply following someone does not "provoke the use of force against himself or herself"

[Smokey 1]

Not to mention, also for the 100th time, that simply following someone does not "provoke the use of force against himself or herself"

Exactly, under that scenario a person could legally attack a store detective who may have a customer under surveilance.

[betamanlet]

There will inevitably be a wrongful death suit, and all of this will have to be evidence, because the family will have to prove Trayvon had a good future ahead of him, and thus income stream, otherwise they will only get $5 in damages.

[Diego]

Exactly, under that scenario a person could legally attack a store detective who may have a customer under surveilance.

..and the detective would have no right to defend himself against the attack....

[betamanlet]

http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_n...nference-may-3

It's a shame this story isn't allowed to have it's own thread, but the Norfolk Police are going to give a press conference on this story. MSM still burying the story.

[Wizard777]

That's an issue for the courts to settle. I believe that if the average person sees someone following him on a public right of way, his first instinct would not be to attack and kill the person following him.

If SYG allows such indiscriminate killing, then the law has a LOT more problems than I initially thought.

Following alone is not an imminent threat. It's following someone, confronting that person and reaching for something that could be a weapon. That is what forms the provocation to use force. Under those circumstances I would have been on Zimmerman like white on rice too. Hell, a cop would have shot Zimmerman for that.

[musicmd]

There will inevitably be a wrongful death suit, and all of this will have to be evidence, because the family will have to prove Trayvon had a good future ahead of him, and thus income stream, otherwise they will only get $5 in damages.

The family does not have to prove Trayvon had a good future ahead of him.

[musicmd]

http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_n...nference-may-3

It's a shame this story isn't allowed to have it's own thread, but the Norfolk Police are going to give a press conference on this story. MSM still burying the story.

Start one.

[musicmd]

Is any lib on here going to comment at all on the Norfolk attack? Do you agree the story should be buried? Do you think it's not newsworthy at all?

Nobody is asking for the Martin story to not get media time, but what people are wondering is why other stories get completely ignored?

Start a new thread. Man seek help

[sigmalady]

http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_n...nference-may-3

It's a shame this story isn't allowed to have it's own thread, but the Norfolk Police are going to give a press conference on this story. MSM still burying the story.

Not quite sure why you seem to be the only poster here too lazy to ever post a snippet of your linked article.

Chief Chamberlin announced Thursday that a 16-year-old was arrested in connection with this case. The unidentified juvenile is charged with throwing a missile at a vehicle, which is a felony, two counts of assault by mob, destruction of property and participation in a riot.

You should start a new thread if you want a discusssion.