Black teen shot and killed in gated community

[Byng]

The plot thickens:

It now appears that there were two investigations going on that night into this killing.

One by homicide investigator Chris Serino who was the lead officer on the case, who filed an affidavit February 26th stating that he did not believe Zimmerman's account of the shooting and recommended charging the 28-year-old with manslaughter. And was dealing directly with the duty assistant Attorney General at the prosecutor's office.

And a second investigation at a higher level between Sanford police chief Bill Lee, along with Capt. Robert O'Connor, the investigations supervisor,and State Attorney Norman Wolfinge, that was being conducted separate from Lead Investigator Chris Serino's investigation.

What of course is interesting is that 2 of the 3 that made the decision, not to prosecute and to release Zimmerman are no longer on the case.

[Baltimatt]

Byng--

Do you have a link?

[Baltimatt]

And I must ask, is it normal for there to be two investigations? That seems kind of strange to me, but I'm not familiar with policies and procedures.

[Candy Pickletoes]

I googled it, couldn't find anything that said what Byng posted (not saying Byng didn't see it on the news though).

I find it strange that there would be two investigations going on at the very beginning as well. That just doesn't seem right. Perhaps a second investigation after a short period of time but two investigations from the start seems a bit strange to me.

I could be wrong, though.

[Byng]

Byng--

Do you have a link?

Sure, it came across the wire about 50 minutes ago!

Source: Sanford police chief, state attorney made Zimmerman 'no ...

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[yuca]

Why doesn't the "stand your ground" statute apply to the kid? He was the one being pursued. He was the one that had to strike in self-defense. White people don't like hate crimes and black people don't like the code behind these "stand your ground" laws. These are the flip sides to the same coin.

If two people are trying to "stand their ground" in "self defense" at the same time, it seems clear to me that the one who lives is going to be the one to whom the law will apply. Especially when there are no witnesses.

It sucks, but that's the way it is. One of the many reasons why the Florida law has some real problems.

By the way, if Wolfinger has any personal connection to Zimmerman's family, and I suspect that he does, he should resign immediately. Recusing himself is not enough.

[Contumacious]

Sure, it came across the wire about 50 minutes ago!

Source: Sanford police chief, state attorney made Zimmerman 'no ...

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The teenager was suspended from school three times this year. In October, he wrote obscene graffiti on a door at his high school. During a search of his backpack, campus security officers found 12 pieces of jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver that they thought could be used as a burglary tool, according to a school police report obtained by the Miami Herald.

When campus security confronted Martin, he told them a friend had given him the jewelry, but he wouldn't give a name. The Miami-Dade Police Department said Tuesday the jewelry could not be tied to any reported thefts.

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/new...#ixzz1qQuCK9La

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The teenager was suspended from school three times this year. In October, he wrote obscene graffiti on a door at his high school. During a search of his backpack, campus security officers found 12 pieces of jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver that they thought could be used as a burglary tool, according to a school police report obtained by the Miami Herald.

When campus security confronted Martin, he told them a friend had given him the jewelry, but he wouldn't give a name. The Miami-Dade Police Department said Tuesday the jewelry could not be tied to any reported thefts.

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/new...#ixzz1qQuCK9La

And this is relevant to Zimmerman gunning him down how?

[yuca]

The teenager was suspended from school three times this year. In October, he wrote obscene graffiti on a door at his high school. During a search of his backpack, campus security officers found 12 pieces of jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver that they thought could be used as a burglary tool, according to a school police report obtained by the Miami Herald.

Already discussed. The fact that this kid used drugs and stole from his classmates is irrelevant, because all that happened in the Miami area. The killing happened in an Orlando suburb. Just because someone commits a crime in one part of the state, it doesn't mean that he'll commit the same crime somewhere else.

[Baltimatt]

From Byng's link:

[18th Circuit State Attorney Norman] Wolfinger's presence at the scene or at the police department in the night of a shooting would be unusual, according to the source. On a typical case, police contact the state attorney's office and speak with an on duty assistant state attorney; they either discuss the matter by phone or the on duty assistant state attorney comes to the crime scene - but rarely the state attorney him or herself.

Interesting.

[Byng]

The teenager was suspended from school three times this year. In October, he wrote obscene graffiti on a door at his high school. During a search of his backpack, campus security officers found 12 pieces of jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver that they thought could be used as a burglary tool, according to a school police report obtained by the Miami Herald.

When campus security confronted Martin, he told them a friend had given him the jewelry, but he wouldn't give a name. The Miami-Dade Police Department said Tuesday the jewelry could not be tied to any reported thefts.

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/new...#ixzz1qQuCK9La

And what does any of this have to do with this kid getting shot to death, while visiting his father?

[Contumacious]

And what does any of this have to do with this kid getting shot to death, while visiting his father?

In US Criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a popular cultural summation of the three aspects of a crime needed to convince a jury of guilt in a criminal proceeding. Respectively, they refer to: the ability of the defendant to commit the crime (means), the reason the defendant had to commit the crime (motive), and whether or not the defendant had the chance to commit the crime (opportunity).

According to the government owned media Trayvon was an angel.

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[Baltimatt]

Except Trayvon is dead, so he won't be put on trial for anything. And how did George Zimmerman know anything about Trayvon?

[Byng]

From Byng's link:



Interesting.

I found this paragraph even more "interesting"! Why would Wolfinger not admit to being there that night and being part of the decision making process not to press charges and set Zimmerman free?


"Sanford police initially turned the case over to Wolfinger's office more than a week ago, and at no time did Wolfinger indicate he had already reviewed it. Lee has stood by the investigation, saying that officers lacked sufficient evidence to arrest Zimmerman".

[Contumacious]

Except Trayvon is dead, so he won't be put on trial for anything. And how did George Zimmerman know anything about Trayvon?

It the state of Florida succumbs to political pressure and Zimmerman is indicted , then Zimmerman will have to prove his innocence.

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[yuca]

I just ran across this blog. There are certainly inconsistencies in what is being reported in the media.

At least the blog author, though clearly having taken an unpopular position, tries to back up his claims.

The one thing I do have questions about is regarding the reference to Martin having "swung on a bus driver" immediately before his suspension. Unfortunately, @RIP_TRAY9's account has been taken offline. However, searching Twitter for "RIP_TRAY9" reveals some very disconcerting results. Apparently, RIP_TRAY9 is Martin's cousin and is doing more damage than good, with respect to his cousin's reputation.

[Byng]

It the state of Florida succumbs to political pressure and Zimmerman is indicted , then Zimmerman will have to prove his innocence.

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Looks like the Sanford Police Department will have to prove their innocence too!

SANFORD, Fla. —
The Trayvon Martin case is bringing more scrutiny on the Sanford Police Department. The Department of Justice will now investigate all cases handled by the police department, after receiving complaints from Sanford citizens.

It's been more than a month since 17-year-old Martin was killed and only a week since the Department of Justice, the U.S. Attorney's Office and the FBI launched investigations into why George Zimmerman shot him. Now, the Department of Justice is launching another investigation into the entire Sanford Police Department.

"The citizens of Sanford will continue to have some idea that their concerns would be heard by an independent agency when they have issues with the Sanford Police Department," said Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte.

Bonaparte announced the new investigation Tuesday afternoon after receiving numerous complaints about the way officers handled other cases. Justice Department and Zimmerman case

[Candy Pickletoes]

I found this paragraph even more "interesting"! Why would Wolfinger not admit to being there that night and being part of the decision making process not to press charges and set Zimmerman free?


"Sanford police initially turned the case over to Wolfinger's office more than a week ago, and at no time did Wolfinger indicate he had already reviewed it. Lee has stood by the investigation, saying that officers lacked sufficient evidence to arrest Zimmerman".

Hmmm, that is interesting. My hinky meter is starting to go up. I still refuse to rush to judgement though. If it is found that Zimmerman was not in danger when he shot Trayvon, I hope he's prosecuted to the fullest extent. If it is found that Zimmerman was in grave danger and shot Trayvon in self defense, I hope people will leave him alone and allow him to go on with his life.

[sigmalady]

I just ran across this blog. There are certainly inconsistencies in what is being reported in the media.

At least the blog author, though clearly having taken an unpopular position, tries to back up his claims.

The one thing I do have questions about is regarding the reference to Martin having "swung on a bus driver" immediately before his suspension. Unfortunately, @RIP_TRAY9's account has been taken offline. However, searching Twitter for "RIP_TRAY9" reveals some very disconcerting results. Apparently, RIP_TRAY9 is Martin's cousin and is doing more damage than good, with respect to his cousin's reputation.

Seems inconsistent with what's below.

Still, Trayvon had nonviolent behavioral issues in school, and on the day he was killed, he had been suspended for 10 days from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade. “He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that. It wasn’t a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property],” Martin said, declining to offer more details.

This is starting to remind me of the efforts to tear down the man killed by Officer Tshambe.

[bmore_ken]

The teenager was suspended from school three times this year. In October, he wrote obscene graffiti on a door at his high school. During a search of his backpack, campus security officers found 12 pieces of jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver that they thought could be used as a burglary tool, according to a school police report obtained by the Miami Herald.

When campus security confronted Martin, he told them a friend had given him the jewelry, but he wouldn't give a name. The Miami-Dade Police Department said Tuesday the jewelry could not be tied to any reported thefts.

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/new...#ixzz1qQuCK9La

What does that have to do with anything?