Every Confirmed Football Game for Every MD HS

[BmoreCounty99]

My reasoning for not calling RH a State Powerhouse isn't a longevity issue. My issue is the same as Dunbar, they really don't play anybody. And to be honest, I think it comes with a total watered down public school system these days. 7-8 years ago, the Friendly's, Roosevelt's, Urbana's, QO's, Linganore's, etc. we're all tough schools. Playing against these teams meant something. And these schools could beat any school, regardless of classification or private. Nowadays, these teams aren't what they use to be.

I think you have some of these publics that can play with the privates but we need to see more private versus public games. Instead of Gilman playing Charlotte Christian as their throw away game, why not a River Hill-Gilman game? Why not a CHC-Old Mill game? For the publics to gain respect and to be considered a state power, they IMO have to play either the Privates or some OOC games(and win). Until then, I don't consider any of those schools as state powers. Dunbar had a chance to change that with a win against CHC this year(even if they will not be as strong as the last two years) and playing well against a Florida team. They still have a chance to beat CHC and make some noise.

What is the difference between the Old Mill, QO, Linganores of today and 5 years ago? Public school talent is cyclical, not like private school talents where there are at least 3-4 blue chippers every year at the more dominant privates. WHat makes these teams watered down now and not then?

I think CHC wins this game on preperation and discipline. There is no doubt that Dunbar has talent, but their play calling and specificially horrible oline play will doom them. They can get away with bad line play against the Mervos of the world, but it will not be the same against CHC. I have CHC by at least two tds.

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What is the difference between the Old Mill, QO, Linganores of today and 5 years ago? Public school talent is cyclical, not like private school talents where there are at least 3-4 blue chippers every year at the more dominant privates. WHat makes these teams watered down now and not then?

I think CHC wins this game on preperation and discipline. There is no doubt that Dunbar has talent, but their play calling and specificially horrible oline play will doom them. They can get away with bad line play against the Mervos of the world, but it will not be the same against CHC. I have CHC by at least two tds.

No way are the teams as good as they use to be in the publics. More and more kids are going private. And I'm not talking about Gilman's or GC's. You have Baltimore kids that are going all the way to DC to play at schools like Carroll. River Hill isn't what it was 6 -7 years ago. It's no where near the same.

I am rooting for Dunbar but I think CHC wins this game as well. I'm not saying by two TD's but I believe they will win.

[Big Sky]

No way are the teams as good as they use to be in the publics. More and more kids are going private. And I'm not talking about Gilman's or GC's. You have Baltimore kids that are going all the way to DC to play at schools like Carroll. River Hill isn't what it was 6 -7 years ago. It's no where near the same.

I am rooting for Dunbar but I think CHC wins this game as well. I'm not saying by two TD's but I believe they will win.

COME ON MAN (GH) The reason why the publics are not as good is the privates are stealing more kids!!!!!! Take Urbana 2 years ago when they were 4a champs. Add 3 year starting tackle (GC) Mike Maderis,His Brother Sam, 3 year starting guard Pat Walsh(GC) Thomas QB (CHC) JeffChase (BL) Alex Murphy (CHC)
That team would of been Crazy

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COME ON MAN (GH) The reason why the publics are not as good is the privates are stealing more kids!!!!!! Take Urbana 2 years ago when they were 4a champs. Add 3 year starting tackle (GC) Mike Maderis,His Brother Sam, 3 year starting guard Pat Walsh(GC) Thomas QB (CHC) JeffChase (BL) Alex Murphy (CHC)
That team would of been Crazy

Oh I'm by no means disputing that. My point is that more and more kids are deciding to go the private route than they did 6-7 years ago. The public leagues aren't what they were when Friendly had a Joe Haden or E.R. having a Derrick Williams. Those schools use to be stacked with guys like that. That's no longer the case. The only school that's getting even close to that type of talent is Dunbar or Friendship.

[BmoreCounty99]

No way are the teams as good as they use to be in the publics. More and more kids are going private. And I'm not talking about Gilman's or GC's. You have Baltimore kids that are going all the way to DC to play at schools like Carroll. River Hill isn't what it was 6 -7 years ago. It's no where near the same.

I am rooting for Dunbar but I think CHC wins this game as well. I'm not saying by two TD's but I believe they will win.

Again. Publics are cyclical. You only get what comes through the doors. IMO they may not be as good as the campanaro years, but they are still damn good. Those players will come around again.

Big Sky. I agree wtih you!

CHC by at least two tds.

[eaglesinsider]

The Black does look awesome, But eagle is 100% right, it would be hotter than a Fox in a Forest Fire.

It looks like common sense prevailed. UMD officially released the new turf field design, it's just normal green turf. I agree the black turf would have been sweet, but I'm willing to bet they couldn't figure out how to cool it to a safe temperature. Either way, it'll be nice to see HS football played at Byrd again.

New UMD turf: http://testudotimes.com/2012/6/20/31...new-field-turf

[TheGuru]

Again. Publics are cyclical. You only get what comes through the doors. IMO they may not be as good as the campanaro years, but they are still damn good. Those players will come around again.

Big Sky. I agree wtih you!

CHC by at least two tds.

I would love a 2-TD margin but will be happy with a 1 pt win. My fear is that the OC will not play to the new QB's strengths and be conservative ala Cam Cameron.

[gillytech]

Again. Publics are cyclical. You only get what comes through the doors. IMO they may not be as good as the campanaro years, but they are still damn good. Those players will come around again.

a few quick thoughts on the public v. privte debate:

1) private schools don't "steal" players from public schools. Last time I ckecked, students are not the property of their zoned public schools. If the publics want kids in their neighborhoods to stay there, they need to look inward and try to bring themselves up to the level of the privates - academically and athletically. The public schools that are committed in that manner generally keep their local kids (see River Hill, Severna Park for example).

2) Not all public school talent is cyclical. Public schools in Baltimore city like Dunbar and charter schools like Friendship have distinct advantages in attracting and bringing in talent from all over their areas. Also, of the public power programs mentioned, ER (and I believe Friendly) were caught recruiting and playing out of district kids, if I recall correctly. Even River Hill had a player from out of the district living with a coach (Campanaro) so he could play for them during their championship seasons.

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a few quick thoughts on the public v. privte debate:

1) private schools don't "steal" players from public schools. Last time I ckecked, students are not the property of their zoned public schools. If the publics want kids in their neighborhoods to stay there, they need to look inward and try to bring themselves up to the level of the privates - academically and athletically. The public schools that are committed in that manner generally keep their local kids (see River Hill, Severna Park for example).

2) Not all public school talent is cyclical. Public schools in Baltimore city like Dunbar and charter schools like Friendship have distinct advantages in attracting and bringing in talent from all over their areas. Also, of the public power programs mentioned, ER (and I believe Friendly) were caught recruiting and playing out of district kids, if I recall correctly. Even River Hill had a player from out of the district living with a coach (Campanaro) so he could play for them during their championship seasons.

You are absolutely correct on all fronts. There's no such thing as stealing players for privates. If parents choose to send their kids to privates, it's on them.

[BmoreCounty99]

a few quick thoughts on the public v. privte debate:

1) private schools don't "steal" players from public schools. Last time I ckecked, students are not the property of their zoned public schools. If the publics want kids in their neighborhoods to stay there, they need to look inward and try to bring themselves up to the level of the privates - academically and athletically. The public schools that are committed in that manner generally keep their local kids (see River Hill, Severna Park for example).

2) Not all public school talent is cyclical. Public schools in Baltimore city like Dunbar and charter schools like Friendship have distinct advantages in attracting and bringing in talent from all over their areas. Also, of the public power programs mentioned, ER (and I believe Friendly) were caught recruiting and playing out of district kids, if I recall correctly. Even River Hill had a player from out of the district living with a coach (Campanaro) so he could play for them during their championship seasons.

First of all I didnt say "steal" Big Sky did. Second, Dunbar is not your average neighborhood school. They can get ANYONE in that they want with their weak standards of getting into their magnent program. I have never heard of anyone not getting into Dunbar because they did not pass the entrance exam. I hear that about Poly and City all the time. No comparison. Most of Dunbar's players do not live in the areas surrounding the High School, they Most come from East Baltimore but far outside of the Dunbar district. The common neighborhood high school is cyclical.

I agree that parents can choose to send their kids anywhere. I do not have a problem with that at all. But the top privates have a huge advantage on the field than does the average public school. Even the mighty Dunbar would lose by 4 tds to Gilman.

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First of all I didnt say "steal" Big Sky did. Second, Dunbar is not your average neighborhood school. They can get ANYONE in that they want with their weak standards of getting into their magnent program. I have never heard of anyone not getting into Dunbar because they did not pass the entrance exam. I hear that about Poly and City all the time. No comparison. Most of Dunbar's players do not live in the areas surrounding the High School, they Most come from East Baltimore but far outside of the Dunbar district. The common neighborhood high school is cyclical.

I agree that parents can choose to send their kids anywhere. I do not have a problem with that at all. But the top privates have a huge advantage on the field than does the average public school. Even the mighty Dunbar would lose by 4 tds to Gilman.

If your from East Baltimore(and im talking East, not north east) and all the schools were zoned, you would only have four high schools to attend. You would have Dunbar, Patterson, Digital Harbor and Lake Clifton. If kid's were forced to go to their zone school, Dunbar would be unbeatable. I would say that that small area of Baltimore has to be the most talent rich area in the city.

[gillytech]

First of all I didnt say "steal" Big Sky did. Second, Dunbar is not your average neighborhood school. They can get ANYONE in that they want with their weak standards of getting into their magnent program. I have never heard of anyone not getting into Dunbar because they did not pass the entrance exam. I hear that about Poly and City all the time. No comparison. Most of Dunbar's players do not live in the areas surrounding the High School, they Most come from East Baltimore but far outside of the Dunbar district. The common neighborhood high school is cyclical.

I agree that parents can choose to send their kids anywhere. I do not have a problem with that at all. But the top privates have a huge advantage on the field than does the average public school. Even the mighty Dunbar would lose by 4 tds to Gilman.

Sorry - I meant to click 'reply' not 'quote' - I knew Big Sky mentioned stealing, not you. I agree 100% with everything you said, except I don't think Gilman would beat Dunbar by 4 TDs. I think Gilman would win 8 out of 10 times at worst, but I think the games would be more competitive than that. The reason I mentioned all of the City schools having advantages in bringing in talent is that the entire city has open enrolment and if you can meet the entrance requirements, you can come from anywhere in the city (or even the County - see James Carmon from Overlea to City), but I agree Dunbar has the best advantage due to their entrance requirements and the fact that their program's success recruits for itself.

[BmoreCounty99]

Sorry - I meant to click 'reply' not 'quote' - I knew Big Sky mentioned stealing, not you. I agree 100% with everything you said, except I don't think Gilman would beat Dunbar by 4 TDs. I think Gilman would win 8 out of 10 times at worst, but I think the games would be more competitive than that. The reason I mentioned all of the City schools having advantages in bringing in talent is that the entire city has open enrolment and if you can meet the entrance requirements, you can come from anywhere in the city (or even the County - see James Carmon from Overlea to City), but I agree Dunbar has the best advantage due to their entrance requirements and the fact that their program's success recruits for itself.

I agree but Dunbar would not beat Gilman 2 out of 10 times. No way, no how. This past season I dont think Dunbar would have had a hard time moving the ball and scoring on Gilman.

GA, I am from East Baltimore.

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I agree but Dunbar would not beat Gilman 2 out of 10 times. No way, no how. This past season I dont think Dunbar would have had a hard time moving the ball and scoring on Gilman.

GA, I am from East Baltimore.

I agree with you actually. I don't think Dunbar beats Gilman once out of 10 times. I don't think Gilman beats Dunbar by 4 TD's every year but I think they would have last year without question.

Always good to see a East Baltimore guy on the board, I too am from East Baltimore.

[TheGuru]

There ain't no way that the I-95 Classic game between Dunbar & CHC should be played at Cain Field Part Deux! If y'all want Dunbar/MSJ circa 1973 revisited then by all means schedule the game for East Baltimore. Dunbar's fans think that winning is a birthright. They won't take kindly to losing to Calvert Hall.

Will the new stadium have lights? If so and they schedule a night game, will the majority of CHC's fanbase even show up? Baltimore City PD would have to clock a lot of OT to check opportunistic criminals from Latrobe Homes from cashing in on such an opportunity.

On a serious note, the game should be played at a venue that can accomodate a possible sellout. At the MIAA championship and Turkey Bowl games, the CHC side was full. Dunbar would definitely represent better than Gilman & Loyola. Neither of those teams support their teams as well as CHC.

Calvert Hall has been ranked higher than Dunbar the last two seasons. If the game is gonna be played on a school site then it should be played in Towson at the Hall. Let the Poets christen their new house against Southwestern or some other scrub team.

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There ain't no way that the I-95 Classic game between Dunbar & CHC should be played at Cain Field Part Deux! If y'all want Dunbar/MSJ circa 1973 revisited then by all means schedule the game for East Baltimore. Dunbar's fans think that winning is a birthright. They won't take kindly to losing to Calvert Hall.

Will the new stadium have lights? If so and they schedule a night game, will the majority of CHC's fanbase even show up? Baltimore City PD would have to clock a lot of OT to check opportunistic criminals from Latrobe Homes from cashing in on such an opportunity.

On a serious note, the game should be played at a venue that can accomodate a possible sellout. At the MIAA championship and Turkey Bowl games, the CHC side was full. Dunbar would definitely represent better than Gilman & Loyola. Neither of those teams support their teams as well as CHC.

Calvert Hall has been ranked higher than Dunbar the last two seasons. If the game is gonna be played on a school site then it should be played in Towson at the Hall. Let the Poets christen their new house against Southwestern or some other scrub team.

What? Gilman travels big time with their team. CHC couldn't even sell a ticket until two years ago(lol). Just because the last two years you guys have been sellin out, doesn't mean Gilman games aren't packed always.

[TheGuru]

What? Gilman travels big time with their team. CHC couldn't even sell a ticket until two years ago(lol). Just because the last two years you guys have been sellin out, doesn't mean Gilman games aren't packed always.

If it ain't the McDonogh game y'all don't show up. And EagleInsider, nobody asked for your two cents!

[Hallman]

If the Gilman Alum were all that into the football team, or their other teams for that matter, wouldn't their facilities be more state of the art? I've seriously been to better rec parks then what Gilman has to offer.

[eaglesinsider]

If it ain't the McDonogh game y'all don't show up. And EagleInsider, nobody asked for your two cents!

All I will say is that anybody who rags on McD for attendance needs to remember that they're trying to fill a 5,000 seat stadium with only 500 students in the HS, of which about 100 are 5-day boarders who live far away and 40 are on the varsity football team. Also, 2,500 of those seats are on the visitor's side, and besides Gilman, I've never seen another opponent (CHC included) come anywhere close to filling up their side of the stands. Pre-Davis era (2008), I remember seeing about 10 CHC fans for the season opener of CHC at McD. I think St. Paul's had better support when they played at McD that year.

No other MIAA school comes close to a stadium of that size, CHC is the closest at 3,000 (I'm talking actual number of permanent seats, not how many people/temporary bleachers you can squeeze in to fudge the numbers), Loyola is about 600, Spalding is about 1,200, MSJ is about 1,000 and Gilman is probably about 600 (again talking only permanent seats).

Most schools in this state would be thrilled with 2,500 in attendance, and it would be over capacity for most stadiums in this state, but that number would look like a small crowd at John McDonogh Stadium because it would only fill the stadium half way. Heck, I don't think there's a non-DI/1-AA college in this state with a bigger stadium than McD's.

[TheGuru]

All I will say is that anybody who rags on McD for attendance needs to remember that they're trying to fill a 5,000 seat stadium with only 500 students in the HS, of which about 100 are 5-day boarders who live far away and 40 are on the varsity football team. Also, 2,500 of those seats are on the visitor's side, and besides Gilman, I've never seen another opponent (CHC included) come anywhere close to filling up their side of the stands. Pre-Davis era (2008), I remember seeing about 10 CHC fans for the season opener of CHC at McD. I think St. Paul's had better support when they played at McD that year.

No other MIAA school comes close to a stadium of that size, CHC is the closest at 3,000 (I'm talking actual number of permanent seats, not how many people/temporary bleachers you can squeeze in to fudge the numbers), Loyola is about 600, Spalding is about 1,200, MSJ is about 1,000 and Gilman is probably about 600 (again talking only permanent seats).

Most schools in this state would be thrilled with 2,500 in attendance, and it would be over capacity for most stadiums in this state, but that number would look like a small crowd at John McDonogh Stadium because it would only fill the stadium half way. Heck, I don't think there's a non-DI/1-AA college in this state with a bigger stadium than McD's.

CHC has a full house for most Friday games. We represented twice at Towson last season. I didn't want you coming to GA's defense. Gilman has had good turnouts for home games. Road games are another story. I was just being per-emptive since you and GA seem to agree on so much.

Btw, what good is a 5,000 seat stadium if you only fill it once a year. Face it, McDonogh football has been an afterthought in the MSA & MIAA. Oh yeah, Poly's Lumsden Stadium is just as big and is filled when Dunbar plays City and maybe Edmondson.