Trade Bundy straight up for S. Strasburg

[Far from home]

Those are fantasy baseball rankings, FFH. And if you read the text, you'll see he was rated third tier because of his innings limit.

Jones <> Strasburg in trade value in any universe. Hell, two Joneses doesn't even.

Oops, missed that.
At any rate, we'll never see that trade. It's more likely the Nats make a run at him during the 2014 offseason.

[dandrews]

Still wouldn't cut it. Not remotely.

A Harper - Bundy swap would at least be within the realm of reason. But I'd want to see Bundy do something beyond low-A before I'd ever consider it.

I wouldn't think a Strasburg for Wieters swap is too far out there. I'd rather have Strasburg because he's younger, but both are ~5 win players (Strasburgs 2010 extrapolated to a full season is around 5). Both seem like they could be the best at there position in the league at the end of the year. Just depends which position you value more.

[Far from home]

I wouldn't think a Strasburg for Wieters swap is too far out there. I'd rather have Strasburg because he's younger, but both are ~5 win players (Strasburgs 2010 extrapolated to a full season is around 5). Both seem like they could be the best at there position in the league at the end of the year. Just depends which position you value more.

No way I would do that trade. Are they equal in face value? Possibly...but Wieters gives you 100-130 games, Strasburg gives you 30-35, at best.

When you have a rotation like the Nats, Strasburg is the kind of guy you want to lead it.
The O's need more than one pitcher.
Right now, I see a 2-3, 4 and a 5 on the starting staff (Arrieta, Hammel, Chen in that order), but they still need another top guy and a middle of the rotation guy suited for the AL East.

[18-87-44-29]

Safe to say Nats fans would riot if they dealt Stras for the 'Switch Hitting Jesus.'

And a Harp-Bundy deal would be even more laughable.

[ivanbalt]

Safe to say Nats fans would riot if they dealt Stras for the 'Switch Hitting Jesus.'

And a Harp-Bundy deal would be even more laughable.

Wow, you showed us.

[Far from home]

Safe to say Nats fans would riot if they dealt Stras for the 'Switch Hitting Jesus.'

And a Harp-Bundy deal would be even more laughable.

What Nats fans? They are one of the few teams that can't fill a stadium, no matter how well they do....

[18-87-44-29]

What Nats fans? They are one of the few teams that can't fill a stadium, no matter how well they do....

Sayeth a fan of the team that is lucky lately to draw high quintiple figures even on a good night....in the supposed 'crown jewel' of stadiums to boot.

[18-87-44-29]

Wow, you showed us.

I did nothing....the stats/projections bare it out.

[SeaDee3]

Would you trade D. Bundy straight up for S. Strasburg. I know the Nats would never do it, but as an Os fan, would you rather have Strasburg (post surgery) or Bundy at this point?

Most major league scouts said that while Strasburg was slightly older and thought to be more mature they believe that Bundy had superior mechanics and less chance of the same arm problems that Strasburg is recovering from. Bundy is also mature beyond his age.

I have seen both pitch. Bundy is more fluid and Strasburg has more moving parts. Strasburg is a few MPH faster at this point but pumps it up. Bundy throws in the high 90s effortlessly. Bundy has legs like Nolan Ryan.

I hope they both become great ML pitchers. I would bet that Bundy is in the Orioles starting ML rotation next season. They said they will shut him down after 125 innings this year regardless of his record.

[moojer]

I think both teams playing well is good for the region. I am a big Caps fan. I am a former season ticket holder of both the Caps and Os. Hopefully, B. Harper does not turn into JD Drew. Hopefully, both Bundy and Strasburg do not suffer the same fate as Prior and Wood. If I had to pick any of these players (including A. Jones), I would take Wieters and his leadership and long term skills potential.

[kudzu]

I wouldn't think a Strasburg for Wieters swap is too far out there. I'd rather have Strasburg because he's younger, but both are ~5 win players (Strasburgs 2010 extrapolated to a full season is around 5). Both seem like they could be the best at there position in the league at the end of the year. Just depends which position you value more.

No, Strasburg's 2010 extrapolated to a full season (200 innings) would be 7.6 WAR. And his #'s since then have been even better.

Wieters is very good, with the potential to be even better. Strasburg is excellent, with the potential to be even better.

[Slidemaster]

No, Strasburg's 2010 extrapolated to a full season (200 innings) would be 7.6 WAR. And his #'s since then have been even better.

Wieters is very good, with the potential to be even better. Strasburg is excellent, with the potential to be even better.

I agree with you, but you can't really extrapolate his 2010 numbers because he never put them up, because he blew out his arm. There are a lot of guys that could have been phenomenal if they stayed healthy, but a guy who gets TJ surgery that young scares me.

Sports Illustrated did an article recently that shows the average length that TJ surgery fixes an arm is about 8 years. After that, many times another is needed. Granted 8 years is a long time from now, but if you had to put money on who would have less time spent on the DL between Wieters and Strasburg from here on out, who would you bet on? Wieters is dependably very good. Strasburg is excellent when he's on the field, but there are more question marks about that.

Strasburg has the higher ceiling, but his health scares me. With pitchers already being so fragile, seeing a guy who throws 98+ need TJ surgery at 22 doesn't bode well for the future. Chances are pretty good he doesn't see 30 without another major arm issue (though I hope I'm wrong, because he's electric when he's on).

[dandrews]

No, Strasburg's 2010 extrapolated to a full season (200 innings) would be 7.6 WAR. And his #'s since then have been even better.

Wieters is very good, with the potential to be even better. Strasburg is excellent, with the potential to be even better.

Yeah you're right. My math was way off.

[kudzu]

I agree with you, but you can't really extrapolate his 2010 numbers because he never put them up, because he blew out his arm. There are a lot of guys that could have been phenomenal if they stayed healthy, but a guy who gets TJ surgery that young scares me.

Sports Illustrated did an article recently that shows the average length that TJ surgery fixes an arm is about 8 years. After that, many times another is needed. Granted 8 years is a long time from now, but if you had to put money on who would have less time spent on the DL between Wieters and Strasburg from here on out, who would you bet on? Wieters is dependably very good. Strasburg is excellent when he's on the field, but there are more question marks about that.

Strasburg has the higher ceiling, but his health scares me. With pitchers already being so fragile, seeing a guy who throws 98+ need TJ surgery at 22 doesn't bode well for the future. Chances are pretty good he doesn't see 30 without another major arm issue (though I hope I'm wrong, because he's electric when he's on).

Agree re extrapolation. Expecially with such a small sample size. I just had to correct the math.

I think it's worth noting that he's been even better than his 2010 self so far, though.

Re his arm, we'll just have to wait and see. One encouraging thing is that he's backed off the velo a tick and is not trying to simply blow the fastball by everyone any more. With that curve and change, 96 with the occasional 98 is plenty.

[Slidemaster]

Agree re extrapolation. Expecially with such a small sample size. I just had to correct the math.

I think it's worth noting that he's been even better than his 2010 self so far, though.

Re his arm, we'll just have to wait and see. One encouraging thing is that he's backed off the velo a tick and is not trying to simply blow the fastball by everyone any more. With that curve and change, 96 with the occasional 98 is plenty.

That's a good approach if it's true (I haven't watched him enough this year to notice). Having 98+ is something nice to pull out when you're in a jam, but anything 94 or over is enough to blow by a hitter if you set him up correctly, and his breaking stuff is more than good enough to do that.

[moojer]

I think it would be hard to extrapolate any numbers this season as both, Bundy and Strasburg, are on strict pitch and innings counts.

[kudzu]

That's a good approach if it's true (I haven't watched him enough this year to notice). Having 98+ is something nice to pull out when you're in a jam, but anything 94 or over is enough to blow by a hitter if you set him up correctly, and his breaking stuff is more than good enough to do that.

It's not simply a matter of me watching, Stras (and manager Davey) said it themselves at some point during spring training.

I can provide a link, if you doubt me.

But being somewhat the opposite of a dumbarse, I think you will simply trust me on that one.

[moojer]

Bundy's stats are approaching #1 prospect status in my opinion.

Here are his current stats....

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats...pbp&pid=605164

B. Harper current stats...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=harper002bry

I think the prospect gap is closing fast.