Cleveland Fans

[joe cool]

Browns fans are ok but just don't start antagonizing them. That's when they turn ugly.

If they have a good team they can become very obnoxious though.

Kind of like Baltimore fans right??!!

[joe cool]

Browns fans are terrible, be prepared to have things thrown at you - bottles, drinks, trash. They are among the worst - not quite as bad as Philly where you will most likely be physically assaulted, but pretty bad.

Cleveland is a loser-city. Baseball, basketball, football - they haven't won anything in 60 years. The fans resent everyone.

If you want to pick a NFL city to visit for an away game, pick Tennessee (Nashville). The nicest fans in the world. I even got invited to dinner by the family sitting next to me when they found out I was eating in the hotel restaurant that night.

The same thing can be said about Baltimore except Baltimore doesn't have a basketball team and the baseball team is more minor league than anything else!! LOL Baltimore fans resent everyone that isn't Baltimore conected or includes them, which is most things, and are very envious of those cities with real teams and fans!!

[Ravens75]

Kind of like Baltimore fans right??!!

Actually kind of like you who by the way is a disgrace to the armed forces.

[Ravens75]

Cleveland fans will always hate Baltimore for stealing their team. It's justified. Just like Baltimore fans will always hate Indianapolis for stealing their team. Modell painted himself into a corner by allowing the city to build a new basketball arena, a new baseball stadium, and the rock and roll hall of fame. Then when there was no money to build a new football stadium, he left. It also should be remembered that he was part of the expansion committe that rejected Baltimore. He knew what a good deal Baltimore had on the table, and he also knew that was a place he could move to if Cleveland failed to come up with a new stadium for him. As bad as an owner as Bob Irsay was, he continually asked Mayor Schaeffer for improvements to Memorial stadium or even a new stadium, and got nothing. Neither city believed that their team would actually leave. But it is only human nature for fans of both cities to hate the eventual place that their team ended up. Only after generations are gone will that hate subside. The Ravens have been in Baltimore for 15 years, and that was 13 years after the Colts were gone. But yet Baltimore still hates Indianapolis for taking their team. It is just the way it goes. In the long run, Baltimore fans actually benefited by the Colts leaving. They lost a franchise with a lot of history, but got a solid franchise that is well run. Cleveland never stopped supporting their team and felt particularly jilted when the Browns left, but never had to give up their history. It still doesn't stop them from hating Modell and hating Baltimore for taking their team. It certainly doesn't help that the franchise they have now is nowhere near as competent as the franchise that left Cleveland for Baltimore. Hence the hatred towards Baltimore from Cleveland.

Two completely different scenarios but you're an outsider so you're seeing it from a less intimate perspective.

When the Ravens started out they were poorly run and broke. If not for Art finally turned the reins over to Ozzie and getting an infusion of money via Biscuit's ownership this still may have been a franchise with a modicum of success.

Cleveland fans are just bitter because their teams sucks. If the Ravens sucked and Cleveland had won a SB in the first five years of its new existence the anger would've been more muted.

[Jeebus]

Cleveland fans will always hate Baltimore for stealing their team. It's justified. Just like Baltimore fans will always hate Indianapolis for stealing their team. Modell painted himself into a corner by allowing the city to build a new basketball arena, a new baseball stadium, and the rock and roll hall of fame. Then when there was no money to build a new football stadium, he left. It also should be remembered that he was part of the expansion committe that rejected Baltimore. He knew what a good deal Baltimore had on the table, and he also knew that was a place he could move to if Cleveland failed to come up with a new stadium for him. As bad as an owner as Bob Irsay was, he continually asked Mayor Schaeffer for improvements to Memorial stadium or even a new stadium, and got nothing. Neither city believed that their team would actually leave. But it is only human nature for fans of both cities to hate the eventual place that their team ended up. Only after generations are gone will that hate subside. The Ravens have been in Baltimore for 15 years, and that was 13 years after the Colts were gone. But yet Baltimore still hates Indianapolis for taking their team. It is just the way it goes. In the long run, Baltimore fans actually benefited by the Colts leaving. They lost a franchise with a lot of history, but got a solid franchise that is well run. Cleveland never stopped supporting their team and felt particularly jilted when the Browns left, but never had to give up their history. It still doesn't stop them from hating Modell and hating Baltimore for taking their team. It certainly doesn't help that the franchise they have now is nowhere near as competent as the franchise that left Cleveland for Baltimore. Hence the hatred towards Baltimore from Cleveland.

In reality, Cleveland should be kissing Art Modell's marble bag.

They still have the Cleveland Browns. Unlike the fans in every other "former" NFL city.

He didn't take the name, the history, etc.

Unlike the scumbag Irsay. And every other owner who has uprooted and moved a team - all of them took everything from the former city. Only Modell was good enough to allow Cleveland to still have the Browns.

They are in Cleveland, the mistake by the lake. If they're stupid enough to stay there, they deserve a team like the Brownies.

[18-87-44-29]

Unlike the scumbag Irsay. And every other owner who has uprooted and moved a team - all of them took everything from the former city. Only Modell was good enough to allow Cleveland to still have the Browns.

Don't act like that was so magnaminous.....he left all that there because he had to. All those other teams leaving were justified and even embraced.....not this one tho.....far from it. That was the absolute LEAST he could've done.

Cleveland fans will always hate Baltimore for stealing their team. It's justified. Just like Baltimore fans will always hate Indianapolis for stealing their team. ... Hence the hatred towards Baltimore from Cleveland.

Key point here.....only Baltimoreans 'hate' Indy for providing a new home for the Colts. The rest of America and certainly the NFL PTB think it was a great move for the league's popularity/growth.

What it did was strengthen the hold that the mid-west has on the league.....first you had Chicago then GB....then Minny....St L to an extent....and yes Cleveland too....and now here comes Indy into the fold....much to the NFL's benefit as has been proven this last decade and 1/2.

NO ONE forgives Baltimore for ripping Cleveland's (and dare I say Ohio's)hearts out. They likely never will. Of all cities to victimize like that.....*shakes head* Don Trumpy spoke for pretty much every non-Baltimore football fan w/his cold winds and muddy roads/moldy hot dogs comment way back when.

So when you wonder why the Ravens always seem to get short scrip from the likes of Bristol/NFLN/NBC/CBS....while there are certianly other minor factors @ work here....as a whole it all goes back to 11/6/95. It always does and always will.

[18-87-44-29]

Also (getting off on a tangent here).....if you think about it....this may be the thing that is keeping Tags out of Canton.....his failure to stop the move. Altho from what you read and hear.....if he could've he absolutely would've.

[ivanbalt]

Key point here.....only Baltimoreans 'hate' Indy for providing a new home for the Colts. The rest of America and certainly the NFL PTB think it was a great move for the league's popularity/growth.

Popular teams usually don't have trouble selling tickets...

[LarryN]

Popular teams usually don't have trouble selling tickets...

Popular teams also don't play 93.75% of their games at 1pm on Sunday.

[Frank Costanza 831]

The same thing can be said about Baltimore except Baltimore doesn't have a basketball team and the baseball team is more minor league than anything else!! LOL Baltimore fans resent everyone that isn't Baltimore conected or includes them, which is most things, and are very envious of those cities with real teams and fans!!

Oh look, Yankee Doodle is trolling the Ravens board now Guess you don't have much s**t to say about the O's so far this year so you're expanding

[18-87-44-29]

Popular teams also don't play 93.75% of their games at 1pm on Sunday.

I've already given what I feel is the rational behind that.....don't put AL under the white hot microscope any more than he already will be. He doesn't and the team doesn't need that extra pressure and circus atmosphere surrounding them. Stealth is the right move here.

[gscaton1]

Browns fans are terrible, be prepared to have things thrown at you - bottles, drinks, trash. They are among the worst - not quite as bad as Philly where you will most likely be physically assaulted, but pretty bad.

Cleveland is a loser-city. Baseball, basketball, football - they haven't won anything in 60 years. The fans resent everyone.

If you want to pick a NFL city to visit for an away game, pick Tennessee (Nashville). The nicest fans in the world. I even got invited to dinner by the family sitting next to me when they found out I was eating in the hotel restaurant that night.

They don't play Tennessee this year there. Only want to go to a game the Ravens play against.

[cprenegade]

Two completely different scenarios but you're an outsider so you're seeing it from a less intimate perspective.

When the Ravens started out they were poorly run and broke. If not for Art finally turned the reins over to Ozzie and getting an infusion of money via Biscuit's ownership this still may have been a franchise with a modicum of success.

Cleveland fans are just bitter because their teams sucks. If the Ravens sucked and Cleveland had won a SB in the first five years of its new existence the anger would've been more muted.

I'm not as much as of an outsider as you might think. I went to a lot of Colt games in the 70's. I was at the double overtime game against Oakland on Christmas eve. From the time the Ravens got here, it was obvious they had a good organization. In their first draft they took JO over Lawrence Phillips which was not that popular at the time, but proved to be a great move. Biscotti's money came along, but the real infusion of money came by the move Modell made to come here. Cleveland always had a competitive team. Modell screwed himself by allowing everyone else to go before him in terms of new facilities. Irsay continually was in talks with Schaeffer about upgrading Memorial stadium, but Schaeffer never delivered. He never believed Irsay would actually move the team. Irsay was a drunk who only cared about dollars, not what the team meant. But he did give plenty of warnings about the Colts leaving Baltimore. Schaeffer ignored them. In the end, Indy did the same thing with the Colts that Baltimore did with the Browns. Both lured the team away from their cities with sweet deals.

In reality, Cleveland should be kissing Art Modell's marble bag.

They still have the Cleveland Browns. Unlike the fans in every other "former" NFL city.

He didn't take the name, the history, etc.

Unlike the scumbag Irsay. And every other owner who has uprooted and moved a team - all of them took everything from the former city. Only Modell was good enough to allow Cleveland to still have the Browns.

They are in Cleveland, the mistake by the lake. If they're stupid enough to stay there, they deserve a team like the Brownies.

I agree that Cleveland should not be so hard on Modell. It's hard to say that without actually being a Cleveland fan living there that had to watch their team leave the city, but in the long run they only lost three years of football. Modell was good enough to let them keep the name and history. There is probalby no good way to take a sports franchise out of a city, but leaving that city the name and history that can be picked up by another team is the best way to do it. I can't name another sports franchise that has left a city and left behind all of their history. It showed class and respect for Cleveland that Modell would do that. But in the end, he will still be remembered with scorn by the fans that lived it. I don't think there is anything that will change that.

[joe cool]

Oh look, Yankee Doodle is trolling the Ravens board now Guess you don't have much s**t to say about the O's so far this year so you're expanding

Wrong bub I come on here and read from time to time and on occasion I may post as well. The O’s are the same as they always are and I’ll have plenty of time to go over there and rip them a new one again. I guess when you are a loser following a loser team you have to talk trash and boast as much as possible when the opportunity presents itself cause you know that it will be a very short time that you will have to do so. I’ll see you on the O’s side later and we’ll see whose talking smack then!!

[Ravens2006]

...I agree that Cleveland should not be so hard on Modell. It's hard to say that without actually being a Cleveland fan living there that had to watch their team leave the city, but in the long run they only lost three years of football. Modell was good enough to let them keep the name and history. There is probalby no good way to take a sports franchise out of a city, but leaving that city the name and history that can be picked up by another team is the best way to do it. I can't name another sports franchise that has left a city and left behind all of their history. It showed class and respect for Cleveland that Modell would do that. But in the end, he will still be remembered with scorn by the fans that lived it. I don't think there is anything that will change that.

I'll always find it fascinating that Al Lerner was heavily involved with the Baltimore expansion effort, knew all of the key players here as well as anyone, relayed details of the situation here to Modell, kick-started talks between Modell and the MSA, and in the end flew Modell here to sign "the agreement"... then went back to Cleveland as the heroic figure "bringing football back to Cleveland." Granted, as a minority owner, the ultimate decision was in Modell's hands, but to simply ignore the role Lerner played in making ALL of it happen is just strange. NOBODY ever mentions it.

[AVATAR]

I'd like the Browns to succeed in this years draft just to keep it competitive in our division. Walking all over them weakens our team. If you can never sleep, most likely you won't.

[CharmCityCrab]

this may be the thing that is keeping Tags out of Canton

Hey, if he doesn't like it, maybe he should go build his own museum. Screw that guy.

[cprenegade]

I'll always find it fascinating that Al Lerner was heavily involved with the Baltimore expansion effort, knew all of the key players here as well as anyone, relayed details of the situation here to Modell, kick-started talks between Modell and the MSA, and in the end flew Modell here to sign "the agreement"... then went back to Cleveland as the heroic figure "bringing football back to Cleveland." Granted, as a minority owner, the ultimate decision was in Modell's hands, but to simply ignore the role Lerner played in making ALL of it happen is just strange. NOBODY ever mentions it.

You are absolutely correct on that. And it is very interesting that it is never brought up. Modell is villified in Cleveland, and that is understandable, but they fail to realize the role the Lerner played in that whole scenario. As a minority partner, Lerner was able to fly under the radar and make the whole move possible without ever getting any of the blame.

[Eastside Terp]

My brother and I and friends went last year in a RV to Jacksonville to watch the Ravens and you couldn't ask for better fans. We want to do the same trip this year but the only trip we can go is in Cleveland.

Just curious, how is Cleveland fans. I'm sure some of you have been there. I wouldn't go to Philly or a Oakland game because the fans are pretty bad. Don't want to feel to uncomfortable. thanks

i have been to games in pittsburgh wearing purple a half dozen times .......

while that has gotten nasty at times, I am not going to cleveland anytime soon ........

last year while visiting a college in cleveland with my daughter, we did go over and check out the stadium and take pictures in front of the ozzie plaque on the stadium wall ........