Move To Opportunity

[MooGoo]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...,2994400.story

And the Sun goes on to downplay the effects of this failed social engineering experiment............


go figure.

[buzzthefuzz]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...,2994400.story

And the Sun goes on to downplay the effects of this failed social engineering experiment............

go figure.

Something cops have know from day one, however it was not politically correct to discuss it.

[prepfan]

Relocation efforts had basically no impact on neighborhoods where the number of relocated families was low, the authors found. But in the "relatively small number" of areas with a concentration of relocated families, there was a ripple effect.



"In other words, our story is not the popular version of previously stable communities spiraling into decline because of public housing residents moving in, but rather a story of poor families moving into areas that were already struggling," the authors write.

[MooGoo]

ah, there's the rub, isn't it?

Instead of having journalistic integrity and writing his story from an unbiaed view, this hack goes out to find data to support his stance that "our story isn't like those other stories".

....and the Sun regurgitates it for consumption by the masses.

The fact is, that when any of the indigenous peoples who inhabit Baltimore City are moved into areas as a "step-up" and a "helping hand", the crime that surrounds them follows them out to these areas. This fact has ben substantiated by the findings of this report and the same results occur where ever this failed social engineering experiment is tried.

Talk to the folks out in Cockeysville who live around Cranbrook. They could write their own book.

[Mitchum]

That's not a "fact". That's not a "fact" at all. There's not that many MTO people out in Cockeysville. You have to blame that situation on the slumlords who created Apartment World.

[buzzthefuzz]

That's not a "fact". That's not a "fact" at all. There's not that many MTO people out in Cockeysville. You have to blame that situation on the slumlords who created Apartment World.

Since when did you ever resort to facts, speaking of which where are the stats regarding Cockeysville. The cops I talk to out there say it's a mess.

Maybe you should look at this a a prelude of what is to come.

http://www.baltimorebrew.com/2012/04...way-to-school/

[Mitchum]

LOL "The cops I talk to out there" That's factual??? That's anecdotal at best.

If you want "facts" just look at a crime map. It's not that difficult. Compare that to the number of housing subsidies in that area. It's hardly Rocket Science.

So there are some trashy neighborhoods in the city. There are trashy neighborhoods in the county too.

[Lawman 27]

ah, there's the rub, isn't it?

Instead of having journalistic integrity and writing his story from an unbiaed view, this hack goes out to find data to support his stance that "our story isn't like those other stories".

....and the Sun regurgitates it for consumption by the masses.

Journalistic integrity?

Sad to say, but I think the Sun gave up on that long ago. (Much easier to re-write a story than to hire reporters who can THINK for themselves).

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Let's be fair though: There are times when Liberals (like Sun reporters) are absolutely against social engineering (like 'move to opportunity'). Specifically when the social engineering applies to their own neighborhoods, then they will fight it with all they can.

[MooGoo]

Lawman-

I couldn't agree more. it is always NIMBY when it comes to things that effect them directly.

[MooGoo]

That's not a "fact". That's not a "fact" at all. There's not that many MTO people out in Cockeysville. You have to blame that situation on the slumlords who created Apartment World.

OK, how about the north side of Patterson Park, sport? Tell that to the family of Pedro Lugo.

Let's spread it around a little, huh. I am using "move to opportunity" to represent all this dumb programs that use vouchers and section-8 to put folks in other neighborhoods. cut a little slack.......

I have no idea exactly how many or the exact figures of MTO folk out in Cockeysville. I do know that I shake my head at the indigenous peoples at the IHOP when I go there.

[Mitchum]

Okay, so now you are changing your tune.

"Indigenous people at IHOP" What in the Hell does that mean?

[MooGoo]

Okay, so now you are changing your tune.

I am not changing jack, Jack. The article talks about other failed social engineering experiments in other cities and my title talks about one of the local failed social engineering experiments. They all suck........big time.

[Phineas Finn]

Okay, so we have a story with quotes attributed to researchers who've studied this issue for years, and their findings (which mention the good and the bad) run like this:

Relocating the public housing residents in Chicago is credited with decreasing overall violent crime by 1 percent and a 4.4 percent drop in gun crimes between 2000 and 2008. In Atlanta, the relocation efforts are credited with dropping violent crime by 0.7 percent between 2002 and 2009.

"Crime declined dramatically in both cities throughout the 2000s—even in neighborhoods that received many relocated households," they write. However, "the picture is not entirely positive."

"The transformation contributed to slightly higher property crime overall in Chicago, and some neighborhoods in both cities have experienced problems associated with concentrations of relocated households. Once the number of relocated households reached a certain threshold, crime rates, on average, decreased less than they would have if there had been no former public housing inmovers."

The study also notes that the neighborhoods where most of the former public housing residents relocated were vulnerable to start, because of existing crime, poverty and unemployment.

But all of that is dismissed and refuted with -- "the cops I've talked to" and completely unrelated pictures of trash.

All this talk about "hacks" and "politically correct" makes me wonder who really has the agenda here.