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[ms maggie]

Catholic bishops slap Ryan for saying his budget plan is in line w Catholic social principles.

http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/blo...e-ryan-budget/

Last week 59 Catholic theologians and social justice leaders rebuked Rep. Paul Ryan for arguing that his federal budget plan is consistent with Catholic social teaching. Today the US Conference of Catholic Bishops called out House Republicans for making harmful cuts that flout church teaching about protecting poor and vulnerable people

[cprenegade]

Catholic leaders are no different than anyone else. They all want fiscal responsibility until it affects programs that they support. If America had an unending supply of money, then everyone could benefit. Those times, if they ever really existed are gone. The truth about the Catholic church is that it has spent millions of dollars in defense of the ugly priest scandals of the past decade or so. If not for that, it would have quite a bit more money to be charitable towards poor people, which is part of it's mission.

[ms maggie]

Catholic leaders are no different than anyone else. They all want fiscal responsibility until it affects programs that they support. If America had an unending supply of money, then everyone could benefit. Those times, if they ever really existed are gone. The truth about the Catholic church is that it has spent millions of dollars in defense of the ugly priest scandals of the past decade or so. If not for that, it would have quite a bit more money to be charitable towards poor people, which is part of it's mission.

With respect, you're missing the point. Regardless of how valid or invalid you think the point of view of the Catholics leaders is, the point is Ryan put forth Catholic social policy as supporting his budget. It doesn't and he is being called out on it.

Kind of a dumb move from a guy who seems to be very bright.

[Mike Evans]

Republicans war against religon.

[cprenegade]

With respect, you're missing the point. Regardless of how valid or invalid you think the point of view of the Catholics leaders is, the point is Ryan put forth Catholic social policy as supporting his budget. It doesn't and he is being called out on it.

Kind of a dumb move from a guy who seems to be very bright.

I think we would need to compare Catholic social teaching and Ryan's budget to see if they compare at all. I don't know a whole lot about his budget, so I am not qualified to say if it compares at all with the Catholic social teaching. He claims it is consistent with their teaching, they seem to have a problem with that. Although I do have to wonder if their social teaching feels it is right to use millions of dollars donated by their parishoners to defend the despicable acts of their priests. Seems a little bit hypocritical to me, and I am a Catholic. (In fairness, not a very good practicing one at all, just one because of birth)

[Passerine]

Catholic bishops slap Ryan for saying his budget plan is in line w Catholic social principles.

http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/blo...e-ryan-budget/

So does practically the entire theology department at Georgetown:

Georgetown Letter to Rep. Paul Ryan

In short, your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Her call to selfishness and her antagonism toward religion are antithetical to the Gospel values of compassion and love.

[ms maggie]

I think we would need to compare Catholic social teaching and Ryan's budget to see if they compare at all. I don't know a whole lot about his budget, so I am not qualified to say if it compares at all with the Catholic social teaching. He claims it is consistent with their teaching, they seem to have a problem with that. Although I do have to wonder if their social teaching feels it is right to use millions of dollars donated by their parishoners to defend the despicable acts of their priests. Seems a little bit hypocritical to me, and I am a Catholic. (In fairness, not a very good practicing one at all, just one because of birth)

I hear ya. I am a very good practicing Catholic and these are trying times!

But to the point here, I would suggest that the Church is in the best position to say what their teachings are in these matters. They are after all, their teachings!

[cprenegade]

I hear ya. I am a very good practicing Catholic and these are trying times!

But to the point here, I would suggest that the Church is in the best position to say what their teachings are in these matters. They are after all, their teachings!

I won't argue with you on that. The church certainly has a right to say what agrees with their teaching and what doesn't. I just have a hard time believing an organization that speaks out so strongly against things like homesexuality, gay marriage, and birth control, and then spends so much money silently defending those in their organization that would seem to be doing the very same things they condemn.

[SalisburySage]

I am not a big fan of the Catholic Church, over the centuries they seem to have been more a force for evil and sin than not. To be sure they do some good works but they have to overcome centuries of bad behavior.

[ms maggie]

I won't argue with you on that. The church certainly has a right to say what agrees with their teaching and what doesn't. I just have a hard time believing an organization that speaks out so strongly against things like homesexuality, gay marriage, and birth control, and then spends so much money silently defending those in their organization that would seem to be doing the very same things they condemn.

Good point. However like all huge organizations, the Church is multifaceted. The best part of the Church IMo is its outreach, Catholic Charities, food banks, adoption services and so forth. It is the least political part of the the Church, and should be their focus.

[cprenegade]

Good point. However like all huge organizations, the Church is multifaceted. The best part of the Church IMo is its outreach, Catholic Charities, food banks, adoption services and so forth. It is the least political part of the the Church, and should be their focus.

I would absolutely agree with you on this.

[ms maggie]

I would absolutely agree with you on this.

Was hoping you would!!

Why the heck are you up at this late hour? I have an excuse, niece/goddaughter in labor!!! Imagine a whole new person, even after giving birth to five, it still astounds me!