Geert Wilders on the true nature of Islam

[Smokey 1]

The Muslim practice of female genital mutilation is often worse in practice than the Christian practice of male genital mutilation. Philosophically, they are both vile. This leftist has several posts condemning each.

Male circumscisions are not a "Christian" practice and if it was as vile as you say where are the people complaining about it being done to them?

[Jeebus]

And why does he leave off the end of the quote each time?

You fail, again.

The "end of the quote" noting that terrorism in the USA is rare does not change the statement of fact that "Muslim Americans have engaged in terrorist plots at a rate far greater than their proportion of the US population."

Facts - the liberal jihadi lover's worst fear.

[mms]

I wonder how many religions would 'clip' women, as to eliminate the pleasure of sex?

This would seem a perfect cause for Leftists all over the world to combat the War on Clitorides. Yet, Leftists appear to be looking the other way.

What could be more important than this?

A piece for foreskin on a guy and they are shrieking all over the place.

Any clues you Leftists can give us?

Genital mutation has nothing to do with religion... it's widespread in Africa and is more cultural than religious. I know this doesn't fit into the hatemongers talking points, but facts are facts.

[Jeebus]

Genital mutation has nothing to do with religion... it's widespread in Africa and is more cultural than religious. I know this doesn't fit into the hatemongers talking points, but facts are facts.

Dr. Hatem al-Haj, PhD MD, Association of Muslim Jurists of America (AMJA) senior committee member, says that "Female Genital Mutilation Is 'an Honor' per Islam."

http://www.translatingjihad.com/2012...er-female.html

lol, foiled again by facts.

[mms]

Dr. Hatem al-Haj, PhD MD, Association of Muslim Jurists of America (AMJA) senior committee member, says that "Female Genital Mutilation Is 'an Honor' per Islam."

http://www.translatingjihad.com/2012...er-female.html

lol, foiled again by facts.

Because one scumbag says something, does not makes it so. I know your 5th grade education may not have provided you with critical thinking or logic skills, but one guy saying something is not a fact... lol... jeebus failed once again.

lol... using hate sites... hhahahahahaha you're as much of a failure as kenect2.

[Jeebus]

Because one scumbag says something, does not makes it so.

And because one denies it, does not make it false.

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace

• 2012.05.05 (Iligan, Philippines) - Two cousins are killed when suspected Muslims activists toss a grenade into a restaurant.
• 2012.05.04 (Yala, Thailand) - Islamic snipers pick off a father in his pickup truck and seriously injure his 7-year-old son.
• 2012.05.04 (Khar, Pakistan) - Tehrik-e-Taliban suicide bombers at a bazaar send two dozen innocents to Allah.
• 2012.05.04 (Taraba, Nigeria) - Muslim extremists gun down five villagers.
• 2012.05.03 (Pattani, Thailand) - Four Buddhists are hunted down and assassinated by Muslim gunmen.
• 2012.05.03 (Potiskum, Nigeria) - Islamists toss bombs and fire into a cattle market, massacring about sixty innocents.

I guess we're just making all these up, too.



jihadi apologists, too easy, lol.

[betamanlet]

How is circumcision vile? Having an anteater weiner is vile.

[mms]

And because one denies it, does not make it false.

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace

• 2012.05.05 (Iligan, Philippines) - Two cousins are killed when suspected Muslims activists toss a grenade into a restaurant.
• 2012.05.04 (Yala, Thailand) - Islamic snipers pick off a father in his pickup truck and seriously injure his 7-year-old son.
• 2012.05.04 (Khar, Pakistan) - Tehrik-e-Taliban suicide bombers at a bazaar send two dozen innocents to Allah.
• 2012.05.04 (Taraba, Nigeria) - Muslim extremists gun down five villagers.
• 2012.05.03 (Pattani, Thailand) - Four Buddhists are hunted down and assassinated by Muslim gunmen.
• 2012.05.03 (Potiskum, Nigeria) - Islamists toss bombs and fire into a cattle market, massacring about sixty innocents.

I guess we're just making all these up, too.



jihadi apologists, too easy, lol.

I don't apologize for anyone's crimes. A wrong is a wrong regardless of who does it and what their religion is. Unlike you, I don't blame an entire group of people for one man's crime. Again, one persons actions or even a group of people do not represent 1 billion people. I know it's hard for you to comprehend, but give it a shot...

[Calamari]

Because one scumbag says something, does not makes it so. I know your 5th grade education may not have provided you with critical thinking or logic skills, but one guy saying something is not a fact... lol... jeebus failed once again.

He does that a lot too, which is why he has to butcher quotes.

lol... using hate sites... hhahahahahaha you're as much of a failure as kenect2.

Another thing you will find he does often.

[SomeIdiot]

You didn't quote anyone. You made up a strawman because your bigotry prevented you from reading the essay in the original post.

Actually it was a comment to zenwalk.

[Kenect2]

Actually it was a comment to zenwalk.

In your comment to zenwalk, you dishonestly made up a false quote which no one actually said, in order to deliberately mischaracterize the arguments on this thread. You did that out of bigotry and intellectually laziness. Bigotry because you refuse to listen to the critics of Islam. Intellectual laziness because you made up imaginary arguments rather than actually deal with the arguments posted here. You're here to smear people you don't like, not to discuss the thread topic.

[SomeIdiot]

In your comment to zenwalk, you dishonestly made up a false quote which no one actually said, in order to deliberately mischaracterize the arguments on this thread. You did that out of bigotry and intellectually laziness. Bigotry because you refuse to listen to the critics of Islam. Intellectual laziness because you made up imaginary arguments rather than actually deal with the arguments posted here. You're here to smear people you don't like, not to discuss the thread topic.

Haha if you say so. I'm not the one on the personal mission with this stuff.

[Kenect2]

Haha if you say so. I'm not the one on the personal mission with this stuff.

You seem to be on a personal mission to derail criticism of Islam. Hence your refusal to comment on the thread topic.

[Kenect2]

I don't apologize for anyone's crimes. A wrong is a wrong regardless of who does it and what their religion is. Unlike you, I don't blame an entire group of people for one man's crime. Again, one persons actions or even a group of people do not represent 1 billion people. I know it's hard for you to comprehend, but give it a shot...

What is being blamed is the Islamic philosophy which motivates people to commit such crimes. As has been noted again and again, not all people who identify as Muslims actually commit the violent acts which the Quran requires. I know that's hard for you to comprehend, but give it a shot...

[SomeIdiot]

You seem to be on a personal mission to derail criticism of Islam. Hence your refusal to comment on the thread topic.

Nah I'm fine with criticism of Islam, much the way I'm fine with criticism of any religion. However there's a difference between criticizing religious backwardness and buying into Mr. Wilder's baseless paranoia about sharia law being some sort of threat to the West, particularly when it's written in one of the least credible publications floating around on the internet.

We live in a country with a tiny Muslim minority and a firm separation between church and state. It simply isn't a threat. What is a threat, of course, is endlessly empowering the government "to keep us safe" from so many nonexistent monsters under the bed. Even in Mr. Wilder's home country Muslims make up at most 5 percent of the population in a much more reflexively secular country than the United States. I don't think they'll be putting the imams on the bench anytime soon either.

[Kenect2]

Nah I'm fine with criticism of Islam, much the way I'm fine with criticism of any religion. However there's a difference between criticizing religious backwardness and buying into Mr. Wilder's baseless paranoia about sharia law being some sort of threat to the West, particularly when it's written in one of the least credible publications floating around on the internet.

We live in a country with a tiny Muslim minority and a firm separation between church and state. It simply isn't a threat.

What is a threat, of course, is endlessly empowering the government "to keep us safe" from so many nonexistent monsters under the bed. Even in Mr. Wilder's home country Muslims make up at most 5 percent of the population in a much more reflexively secular country than the United States. I don't think they'll be putting the imams on the bench anytime soon either.

If you were "fine with criticism of Islam" you wouldn't be here trying to smear Mr. Wilders while downplaying criticism of Islam. It does continue to appear that you have some kind of personal mission to derail any criticism of Islam.

You have "to keep us safe" in quotations as if someone said such a thing. No one did. You're making up strawmen again. I happen to agree with your perspective that we should not overreact to the threat of Islamic tyranny. We should not "endlessly empower" our government for any reason at all. However, we should be aware of the facts of Islam and we should develop a rational strategy for dealing with the rise of Islamic tyranny.

Ignoring the rapid rise of Islam in Europe is very similar to the way Europe ignored the rapid rise of the Nazis. As a historian, you should be aware of history repeating itself. If this were the 1930s, you'd probably be telling us that Nazis only make up 5% of Germany's population and we've got nothing to worry about. Europe and the United States should heed Mr. Wilders' advice regarding Islamic tyranny, just as Europe should have heeded Mr. Churchill's advice regarding the rise of Naziism.

[SomeIdiot]

If you were "fine with criticism of Islam" you wouldn't be here trying to smear Mr. Wilders while downplaying criticism of Islam. It does continue to appear that you have some kind of personal mission to derail any criticism of Islam.

What have I said to smear him? His point of view is certainly not grounded in reality but I don't think that's a smear.

You have "to keep us safe" in quotations as if someone said such a thing. No one did. You're making up strawmen again. I happen to agree with your perspective that we should not overreact to the threat of Islamic tyranny. We should not "endlessly empower" our government for any reason at all. However, we should be aware of the facts of Islam and we should develop a rational strategy for dealing with the rise of Islamic tyranny.

But people do frequently advocate for that, don't they?

Ignoring the rapid rise of Islam in Europe is very similar to the way Europe ignored the rapid rise of the Nazis. As a historian, you should be aware of history repeating itself. If this were the 1930s, you'd probably be telling us that Nazis only make up 5% of Germany's population and we've got nothing to worry about. Europe and the United States should heed Mr. Wilders' advice regarding Islamic tyranny, just as Europe should have heeded Mr. Churchill's advice regarding the rise of Naziism.

I don't think it's comparable at all. Every country in Europe has its own unique challenges with Islam and immigration. The problems they have in Holland aren't the same as the problems in, say France, or Germany. It's hardly a united political front. I'm also not quite sure that the demographic changes (which even now are very, very small) are quite the same thing as a political philosophy taking hold.

[mms]

What is being blamed is the Islamic philosophy which motivates people to commit such crimes. As has been noted again and again, not all people who identify as Muslims actually commit the violent acts which the Quran requires. I know that's hard for you to comprehend, but give it a shot...

All you know of Islamic philosophy is what you learn from your hate sites and the hatemongers on this site. You might want to get out and actually visit a Mosque to see what it is all about. There are certainly looney toons who think that Muslims should massacre non-Muslims, but they are a small minority. Have you ever noticed that these terrorists massacre more Muslims than non-Muslims? Also, just because someone says they are doing something in the name of Islam does not mean that Islam or other Muslims actually condone that action. Just like when some psychotic Christian shoots up a school or abortion clinic or molests young boys does not mean that it is what Christianity has taught him/her, but rather he/she has perverted or diverged his/her beliefs to fit their agenda.

[Jeebus]

All you know of Islamic philosophy is what you learn from your hate sites and the hatemongers on this site. You might want to get out and actually visit a Mosque to see what it is all about. There are certainly looney toons who think that Muslims should massacre non-Muslims, but they are a small minority. Have you ever noticed that these terrorists massacre more Muslims than non-Muslims? Also, just because someone says they are doing something in the name of Islam does not mean that Islam or other Muslims actually condone that action. Just like when some psychotic Christian shoots up a school or abortion clinic or molests young boys does not mean that it is what Christianity has taught him/her, but rather he/she has perverted or diverged his/her beliefs to fit their agenda.

Let's all celebrate by honor killing our daughters, and a suicide bombing in a crowded teenager disco in Tel Aviv.

[regularguy]

Let's all celebrate by honor killing our daughters, and a suicide bombing in a crowded teenager disco in Tel Aviv.

Or dropping cluster bombs in residential neighborhoods of Lebanon, where they continued kill and maim little children. (Link.)