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    I agree- $140,000 a year in retirement is enough to make me want to spend time with my family. His next job should pay well, so he will be raking in the cash. I am sure he has life-time medical from the city, so he will be laughing all the way to the bank.

    Not bad for a high school graduate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crabsnbeer View Post
    They will and have supported strong white candidates. But if you are going to pretend that there are not people pushing for a black police chief I am not sure if you are dim or dishonest. Hell the Jessamy election had racial/religious undertones. I guess you will deny that,
    Well, Ken has proven himself to be both on numerous occasions. Why else would he pretend the fact that Bealefeld, who was already in line to get the job and was the path of least resistance for the city, somehow precludes racial politics from playing a big part of why guys like Oberlton and Singleton got their jobs (replacing more qualified white guys in the process, BTW).

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    PS: he is not dim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prepfan View Post
    That is ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

    Sure, it looks that way. It looks like O'Malley "split the black vote" . . . on the surface !

    But that only shows how superficial your views are !

    O'Malley won the election with 53% of the vote. 53% That means even if everyone who did not vote for O'Malley voted for a single one of his opponents [if everyone of them voted for just one of the "two black men"- split not one of the opposing votes] it would still only come to 47% of the vote.

    53% will get you elected every time, no matter how the rest of the vote is "SPLIT"

    If you look beyond "the obvious, beyond the candidates skin color, you might see tat O'Malley had come out from the failed "Draft Mfume" people and had the support of the "Frank Reid churches."
    You are absolutely correct and it is about time someone pointed that out. The "He won because they split the Black vote" factoid is one that is oft~repeated on local talk radio and elsewhere to the point where many accept it as fact.

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    So you don't think that one of those two could have picked up an extra four point running without a second black candidate? They would have had more money, more support, and one less candidate to fight.

    We will never know either way but the split was part of the strategy.
    Quote Originally Posted by prepfan View Post
    That is ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

    Sure, it looks that way. It looks like O'Malley "split the black vote" . . . on the surface !

    But that only shows how superficial your views are !

    O'Malley won the election with 53% of the vote. 53% That means even if everyone who did not vote for O'Malley voted for a single one of his opponents [if everyone of them voted for just one of the "two black men"- split not one of the opposing votes] it would still only come to 47% of the vote.

    53% will get you elected every time, no matter how the rest of the vote is "SPLIT"

    If you look beyond "the obvious, beyond the candidates skin color, you might see tat O'Malley had come out from the failed "Draft Mfume" people and had the support of the "Frank Reid churches."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProGun Progressive View Post
    Well, Ken has proven himself to be both on numerous occasions. Why else would he pretend the fact that Bealefeld, who was already in line to get the job and was the path of least resistance for the city,
    Why are you pretending a black mayor didn't appoint a white police chief? Oh that's right, because it blows your nonsense out of the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crabsnbeer View Post
    So you don't think that one of those two could have picked up an extra four point running without a second black candidate? They would have had more money, more support, and one less candidate to fight.

    We will never know either way but the split was part of the strategy.

    You mean one of them would have been able to pick up an extra four points in addition to picking up all the non-O'Malley support [you need to look deeper at those results] ?

    We will never know what ? We do know O'Malley took the primary with more than half the vote.

    And I don't know how you can say "the split" was part of the strategy. Do you know that O'Malley would not have run if there were not "two black" men running against each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prepfan View Post
    And I don't know how you can say "the split" was part of the strategy. Do you know that O'Malley would not have run if there were not "two black" men running against each other.
    He was and is a politician with ambitions. Of course he would have run. What other options were available to him at the time?

    I have no doubt that racial aspects do sometimes play a part in politics and elections, but some see them everywhere whether supported by facts or not.

    To assume that the current~mayor will use race as the major criterion in choosing the next police commissioner ignores the reality of past appointments and who made them. And comments made show that is the assumption being made.

    It's sad that in 2012 some are still compelled to think a black mayor would only choose a police commissioner that might happen to be black because they happen to be black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octoburn View Post
    He was and is a politician with ambitions. Of course he would have run. What other options were available to him at the time?

    I have no doubt that racial aspects do sometimes play a part in politics and elections, but some see them everywhere whether supported by facts or not.

    To assume that the current~mayor will use race as the major criterion in choosing the next police commissioner ignores the reality of past appointments and who made them. And comments made show that is the assumption being made.

    It's sad that in 2012 some are still compelled to think a black mayor would only choose a police commissioner that might happen to be black because they happen to be black.

    I don't think O'Malley would have run if Mfume had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prepfan View Post
    I don't think O'Malley would have run if Mfume had.
    I think that's a given. With his popularity there would have been no vote split at all. He would have crushed anyone else running regardless of color

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProGun Progressive View Post
    I'm sure the appointments of Jerome Oberlton and Rico Singleton were simply a function of them being the best available people...

    Look, I'm all for AA and making sure govt reflects the people it's governing. But pretending that racial politics isn't a factor is just dumb. Of course it is.
    Are racial politics a factor in any other elections, or appointments anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dialtone View Post
    Are racial politics a factor in any other elections, or appointments anywhere?
    I guess Bealefield had some naked pics of the Mayor or something to get his appointment since he's white

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    I think there is a little cost benefit analysis that takes place.
    Like when they picked that kid to run Baltimroe County schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crabsnbeer View Post
    I think there is a little cost benefit analysis that takes place.
    Like when they picked that kid to run Baltimroe County schools.
    So, only Baltimore City and Baltimore County, and then only the Black appointees?

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    He was a cop for over 30 years. He wants to retire and spend time with his family. All the best to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lane17 View Post
    He was a cop for over 30 years. He wants to retire and spend time with his family. All the best to him.
    Sums it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dialtone View Post
    So, only Baltimore City and Baltimore County, and then only the Black appointees?
    When did I say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lane17 View Post
    He was a cop for over 30 years. He wants to retire and spend time with his family. All the best to him.
    I am sorry.

    Nobody deserves a $140k/ year pension

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    Quote Originally Posted by crabsnbeer View Post
    When did I say that?
    You didn't say that. I was trying to learn where you think racial politics is a given aside from Baltimore City offices and appointments.

    Based on this:
    Quote Originally Posted by crabsnbeer View Post
    Translation: SRB wants to put a black commissioner in place before the next election.
    Quote Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
    Everything is racial with you , isn't it?
    Quote Originally Posted by crabsnbeer View Post
    When it comes to Baltimore City politics? Yes.

    Do you think she will pick a non black commissioner?
    Quote Originally Posted by dialtone View Post
    Are racial politics a factor in any other elections, or appointments anywhere?
    Quote Originally Posted by crabsnbeer View Post
    I think there is a little cost benefit analysis that takes place.
    Like when they picked that kid to run Baltimroe County schools.
    I asked another question for clarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crabsnbeer View Post
    I am sorry.

    Nobody deserves a $140k/ year pension
    Run for mayor of Baltimore City and change that
    Last edited by bmore_ken; 05-06-2012 at 03:21 PM.

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