Personal vs. Population Medicine

[grggngll]

Again, Leftists..... choice is good, right?

Personal medicine or population medicine: which will it be for you?

Personal medicine starts with you and your doctor discussing what is the best care for you. After considering long-term medical effects as well as financial costs, you and your provider decide what to do.

Population medicine means that some panel, committee, or group determines what it consider cost-effective for a population. That could be an insurance company or a government agency. Medical care that is deemed "cost-effective" is authorized and therefore available for use.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...ur_poison.html

[Kenect2]

"In America, the patient knows best, not "Father" in the guise of government."

In America, the insurance companies know best, not individuals.

I went to my doctor the other day and she flat out refused to take a blood test I wanted, because the insurance company would not cover it. Providers make decisions under insurance company dictatorship. The government is merely playing catch up with the insurance companies. It's the insurance companies who have been eliminating "personal medicine."

[zenwalk]

The government is merely playing catch up with the insurance companies. It's the insurance companies who have been eliminating "personal medicine."

Bingo.

[Diego]

In America, the insurance companies know best, not individuals.

I went to my doctor the other day and she flat out refused to take a blood test I wanted, because the insurance company would not cover it. Providers make decisions under insurance company dictatorship. The government is merely playing catch up with the insurance companies. It's the insurance companies who have been eliminating "personal medicine."

Would she have "flat out refused" to conduct the test if you pulled out your wallet and paid for it?

[E. Goldstein]

Would she have "flat out refused" to conduct the test if you pulled out your wallet and paid for it?

If you have to pay for it out of pocket then insurance companies are not providing you with the service you are paying for.

[grggngll]

"In America, the patient knows best, not "Father" in the guise of government."

In America, the insurance companies know best, not individuals.

I went to my doctor the other day and she flat out refused to take a blood test I wanted, because the insurance company would not cover it. Providers make decisions under insurance company dictatorship. The government is merely playing catch up with the insurance companies. It's the insurance companies who have been eliminating "personal medicine."

So, did you offer to pay for the test out of pocket? Cash? Under the table?

[Kenect2]

The way I understood what my provider was saying was that the new software she was using would not allow the test based on some insurance company criteria. She told me that the insurance company does not allow "screening" because they claim it is not cost effective. Since I am insured, I expected my insurance company to pay for the test. When she abruptly refused to take the test, as if it were out of the question, I was too stunned to ask if I could pay out of pocket. I intend not to see her again.

I would buy my own test over the internet but I understand Maryland has laws which prevent such services. There can be little doubt that such laws are supported by insurance companies, as they frequently use government as a tool to help maintain their monopolism.

[grggngll]

The way I understood what my provider was saying was that the new software she was using would not allow the test based on some insurance company criteria. She told me that the insurance company does not allow "screening" because they claim it is not cost effective. Since I am insured, I expected my insurance company to pay for the test. When she abruptly refused to take the test, as if it were out of the question, I was too stunned to ask if I could pay out of pocket. I intend not to see her again.

I would buy my own test over the internet but I understand Maryland has laws which prevent such services. There can be little doubt that such laws are supported by insurance companies, as they frequently use government as a tool to help maintain their monopolism.

Well, here is another small step you can take away from the Leftist Plantation...... next time look the doctor in the eye and flash some cash. Ask him how much he wants to do the test. He will begin to stammer. Then you say, without the hoopla of insurance companies, forms, paperwork. How much? He says, well we normally don't do this, but for you we will make an exception $150.
Then you I was thinking I could have a test such as this done for $100.

He will take the $100.

Anyway, who is evil the companies who ask for special treatment or the government busy bodies who grant them?

[Wizard777]

If you have to pay for it out of pocket then insurance companies are not providing you with the service you are paying for.

If people wanted to pay for the services they were receiving they wouldn't have insurance.

Walking into a hospital with insurance is like a teenager walking into a Mercedes dealership with the 2,000.00 they saved up from their summer job to buy a new car with and Daddy to pay the other 58,000.00. You can tell everyone you paid for it. But without Daddy you couldn't afford to even talk to a saleman.

[Diego]

If you have to pay for it out of pocket then insurance companies are not providing you with the service you are paying for.

If it's not included in your coverage, they are


If they will do the test when you pay for it, the insurance companies are not controlling what services you can and cannot receive

[Diego]

I would buy my own test over the internet but I understand Maryland has laws which prevent such services. There can be little doubt that such laws are supported by insurance companies, as they frequently use government as a tool to help maintain their monopolism.

So, ultimately, it is the government that is preventing you from getting the test

"In America, the patient knows best, not "Father" in the guise of government."

Interesting, indeed

[georjec2]

"In America, the patient knows best, not "Father" in the guise of government."

In America, the insurance companies know best, not individuals.

I went to my doctor the other day and she flat out refused to take a blood test I wanted, because the insurance company would not cover it. Providers make decisions under insurance company dictatorship. The government is merely playing catch up with the insurance companies. It's the insurance companies who have been eliminating "personal medicine."

Thank You Kennect2 !!!

It's the insurance companies !!! We are at their mercy because they are unaccountable to anyone and consider themselves almighty.

Insurance companies are the real death panels you hear bandied about by certain political parties as the treat to American health and we sit blithely by and accept it fighting amongst ourselves.

[georjec2]

So, ultimately, it is the government that is preventing
you from getting the test




Interesting, indeed

Actually it's special interest and lobbyists that pay and cajole the government into passing laws that are beneficial to the insurance companies.

Just don't want you to forget about them while the insurance execs drink martinis under Rio De Janeiro sunsets and we find them faultless.

One more thing Diego.....don't you get too sick.

[georjec2]

Well, here is another small step you can take away from the Leftist Plantation...... next time look the doctor in the eye and flash some cash. Ask him how much he wants to do the test. He will begin to stammer. Then you say, without the hoopla of insurance companies, forms, paperwork. How much? He says, well we normally don't do this, but for you we will make an exception $150.
Then you I was thinking I could have a test such as this done for $100.

He will take the $100.

Anyway, who is evil the companies who ask for special treatment or the government busy bodies who grant them?

The Righties get no special treatment or consideration even from the righties when it comes to healthcare. Your suggestion falls flat.

And er...don't you get too sick either lest you find out how important you are.

One more thing. How important is $100.00 to someone who brings home 15,000.00 a month ? It's a fill up of premium in the Mercedes that he never concerns him/herself with anyway. Only poor people get excited by $100.00.