The Pride......NEW HOME EDITION

[watson34]

They will be the best dressed, most talented, and have the best field in the city. Congrats on the deal. I hope that Harford County who turned Aberdeen down in their attempt to improve their field in a similar fashion will take notice. Howard County has also stopped such inside, inequitable deals from going through. With the exception of Woodlawn, Balt. County has also stopped this type of thing. Since the city has never attempted to create an even playing field this will not be an issue. Will this be a regional/shared home field like Greenway or just Eastside Prep's.

Dunbar will be nothing than what they have always been over the last years a 1A wonder who plays in one of the worst leagues in the Nation, who has one of the lowest schedule strengths in the nation, and who will never play a game of relavance.

Dunbar only picked CHC this year because they are thinking that CHC would be down and they could sneak in a win. Dunbar is not even a Maryland Power! They have never to my knowledge and help me out beat a MIAA team. Wade will not sign off on any game that Dunbar will get their behinds handed to them, so sorry Gilman, GC, DM they will never play you. EVER, Wade will not let the so called hype be tarnished.

National Power, Never! Not even possible with that regular season schedule.

[Outside Looking In]

Dunbar will be nothing than what they have always been over the last years a 1A wonder who plays in one of the worst leagues in the Nation, who has one of the lowest schedule strengths in the nation, and who will never play a game of relavance.

Dunbar only picked CHC this year because they are thinking that CHC would be down and they could sneak in a win. Dunbar is not even a Maryland Power! They have never to my knowledge and help me out beat a MIAA team. Wade will not sign off on any game that Dunbar will get their behinds handed to them, so sorry Gilman, GC, DM they will never play you. EVER, Wade will not let the so called hype be tarnished.

National Power, Never! Not even possible with that regular season schedule.

Could not have said it better myself. CHC still wins this game due to discipline and much better coaching and preperation.

[First_Down]

Watson

Dunbar will be nothing if they fail to dream big or just stay in the same old public school paradigm thinking. You say Dunbar will never be a national power but that could have been the thinking with the peanut gallery back in the day when Dunbar was the #1 schoolboy basketball team in the nation if I recall it correctly. That was a time when Dunbar had so much premiere talent that other talents who lived in the shadow of the Dunbar school went to places like Calvert Hall to play ball.

Yep, Dunbar just may not rise to national rankings with the schedule they play but you named Maryland schools (MIAA-WCAC) I feel shouldn't be in the national picture playing a mere 8 game regular season with 6 or 7 MIAA-WCAC games.

[First_Down]

Could not have said it better myself. CHC still wins this game due to discipline and much better coaching and preperation.

Discipline --- I'll give you that from what I've seen with Dunbar over the years. They can get out-of-hand at times with late hits or excessive rough play or showboating.

Coaching --- I'll need to hear what you base this on other than the names CHC and Dunbar.

Preparation --- I'm no Dunbar guy BUT I've seen Dunbar scouts at games of opponents Dunbar would play months in advance. I've seen their video guy at many games to help prepare Dunbar. They must have an extensive library on their opponents where I've seen other prominent programs running around a week before games to scout the opposition. I really don't think Dunbar has a history of not being prepared or seeing a team for the first time when they play them. What do you base your statement of preparation on?

[gillytech]

Watson

Dunbar will be nothing if they fail to dream big or just stay in the same old public school paradigm thinking. You say Dunbar will never be a national power but that could have been the thinking with the peanut gallery back in the day when Dunbar was the #1 schoolboy basketball team in the nation if I recall it correctly. That was a time when Dunbar had so much premiere talent that other talents who lived in the shadow of the Dunbar school went to places like Calvert Hall to play ball.

Yep, Dunbar just may not rise to national rankings with the schedule they play but you named Maryland schools (MIAA-WCAC) I feel shouldn't be in the national picture playing a mere 8 game regular season with 6 or 7 MIAA-WCAC games.

The main reason Dunbar isn't a national power in basketball any more is due to their move to the MPSSAA, which severely curtails competition out-of-conference and out-of-state. That's the same reason many believe their FB program will not be able to achieve national prominence; however, they are traveling to FL to play a game next season.

[First_Down]

I'm sorry gilly but I just don't buy the fact that Dunbar being in the MPSSAA is the prime factor they are not a basketball national power. I say it's lack of national power talent, aka they are not worthy of being a national basketball power. But neither is any other school in Maryland from what I know in any other league. Paul VI of Fairfax is a national ranked power and not because they are in the WCAC but because they have a very good talented basketball team.

Again, I'm not saying Dunbar is a nationally ranked football power but I can appreciate the thought that they are thinking big. Such thoughts can get contagious and they could actually do it. I know they will not do it if they don't think they can rather than what we think or don't think they can do.

I'd rather see it than not see as some here come off to me.

[50defense]

For the most part you have to play the schedule you are given. I think The Hall and the Poets deserve some credit for scheduling this one. The programs are by no means equal but it can't hurt to see the match up.

Dunbar has good leadership but the "coaching" is less then average. I am not an insider but have faced them and see them in action for over 15 years.

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I'm sorry gilly but I just don't buy the fact that Dunbar being in the MPSSAA is the prime factor they are not a basketball national power. I say it's lack of national power talent, aka they are not worthy of being a national basketball power. But neither is any other school in Maryland from what I know in any other league. Paul VI of Fairfax is a national ranked power and not because they are in the WCAC but because they have a very good talented basketball team.

Again, I'm not saying Dunbar is a nationally ranked football power but I can appreciate the thought that they are thinking big. Such thoughts can get contagious and they could actually do it. I know they will not do it if they don't think they can rather than what we think or don't think they can do.

I'd rather see it than not see as some here come off to me.

How can you say that joining the state association isn't the chief reason for Dunbar's fall from the National Polls in bball? Are you saying that Bmore no longer has the talent because that would be extremely incorrect.

Just look at the Polls, Dunbar's drop only happen after they joined the state association. Dunbar use to play in Hawaii and many other National showcases. They traveled all the time and played the top teams like St. Anthony's. After joining state they no longer could do this. So kids then decided to go to the Privates and out of area schools.

I do agree with you, I see nothing wrong in Smith and Dunbar wanting to be the best. But with their current sort of schedule, it just won't happen.

[First_Down]

How can you say that joining the state association isn't the chief reason for Dunbar's fall from the National Polls in bball? Are you saying that Bmore no longer has the talent because that would be extremely incorrect.

Just look at the Polls, Dunbar's drop only happen after they joined the state association. Dunbar use to play in Hawaii and many other National showcases. They traveled all the time and played the top teams like St. Anthony's. After joining state they no longer could do this. So kids then decided to go to the Privates and out of area schools.

I do agree with you, I see nothing wrong in Smith and Dunbar wanting to be the best. But with their current sort of schedule, it just won't happen.

Dunbar not having the talent to be a national power as it had in circa 1982 or 1983 is exactly what I'm saying GA. Sure Dunbar has had a lot of talent over the years since BUT they have not had four NBA players on one team to the best of my knowledge as Muggsy Bogues, Reggie Lewis, Reggie Williams, and David Wingate. Heck, weren't three of the four first round NBA picks? When Dunbar was a national power, they had a strong bench as well as starters and didn't Dunbar go something like 60 and 0 their junior and senior seasons. Dunbar was like 130 and 10 over several years at one time. That's a parade of massive talent to me that hasn't been matched at Dunbar since even with the talent they have had because others have good ballers also. Kids later decided to go to the privates and out of area schools because they wanted to play and play a lot and that had more to do with it than joining the MPSSAA to me although Dunbar was the sole hold out in leaving the MSA.

You say Dunbar football can't be a national power because of their curent schedule and I say no because of loses to the likes of Patterson or Poly is why they are not a national ranked team. If Dunbar were to blow out all their current teams for several seasons then things would be better. But you can't be a national power losing two games with their schedule. I can only remember Dunbar being undefeated in 2007.

I think you can be a national power by defeating national powers or flat out dominating competition over time like Phoebus did at one time. Dunbar has done neither to date.

[golflover0311]

With City sporting a new field as well as Mervo already having a field I dont see it being shared.

Unlike Poly which remember was designated at the Baltimore City Public School Sports Complex, City,Dunbar and Douglass' fields are for their own use. The choice of outside programs using the fields will be left up to each school.

[golflover0311]

The main reason Dunbar isn't a national power in basketball any more is due to their move to the MPSSAA, which severely curtails competition out-of-conference and out-of-state. That's the same reason many believe their FB program will not be able to achieve national prominence; however, they are traveling to FL to play a game next season.

If they travel to Florida to play , they will not be competing as the Dunbar Poets. MPSSAA prohibits any travel outside a 300 mile radius of the school. ( I could be wrong with the exact milage so someone correct me) But there is a distance restriction for MPSSAA member teams for competition. Personally i think it sucks which is why I have been and always will be a proponant of the old MSA where these restrictions did not exist

[eaglesinsider]

If they travel to Florida to play , they will not be competing as the Dunbar Poets. MPSSAA prohibits any travel outside a 300 mile radius of the school. ( I could be wrong with the exact milage so someone correct me) But there is a distance restriction for MPSSAA member teams for competition. Personally i think it sucks which is why I have been and always will be a proponant of the old MSA where these restrictions did not exist

I believe the MPSSAA (very quietly) changed that rule in the last few years. You can travel within the contiguous 48 states to play a single game (no tournaments) regardless of mileage as long as no class time is missed.

[theOddOne]

His counterpart is no slouch. Colar Kuhns is the real deal! You are invited to his coming out party vs Dunbar.

he's not better then crest, i have seen him at 7 on 7 tournaments, the mt hebron kid is better in reading coverage. kuhns only looks one way (right side only), plus this will be his first season as a starter. until you place those pads on you haven't shown anything yet. and crest has done that already and have a ring.

[92 Card]

he's not better then crest, i have seen him at 7 on 7 tournaments, the mt hebron kid is better in reading coverage. kuhns only looks one way (right side only), plus this will be his first season as a starter. until you place those pads on you haven't shown anything yet. and crest has done that already and have a ring.

You have a right to your opinion. I never said he was "better" than Crest. You are correct, he hasn't started yet and Crest has a 1A ring. On one hand, you mentioned what you saw at 7 on 7, but you also omitted the fact that Kuhns won the QB MVP at the Rivals combined over Crest and a bunch of very good QBs from the mid-atlantic. Like you said, it's a moot point until it's done in pads. There very well could be growing pains for the young Cardinals, as their schedule is difficult to say the least.

[bigcountry]

we'll see two good QB's going head to head. Its all releative - crest has a 1 A state Championship - Kuhns would have had a 4 A ring if he chose public school route. As a starting QB the kuhns is something like 56-3 overall. He was recruited by good counsel before coming to CHC. MIAA football is tough and comparing the city league ... just aint no comparison...let's see how it plays out

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we'll see two good QB's going head to head. Its all releative - crest has a 1 A state Championship - Kuhns would have had a 4 A ring if he chose public school route. As a starting QB the kuhns is something like 56-3 overall. He was recruited by good counsel before coming to CHC. MIAA football is tough and comparing the city league ... just aint no comparison...let's see how it plays out

56-3 in youth leagues? Because he hasn't started a game yet.

I have never seen Kuhns play so I have no opinion of him at all as a player. I have talked to people who I trust that have seen him play. Should be interesting to see how he is when the lights so to speak are turned on.

My bet is on CHC in this game but I will definitely be rooting for Dunbar. Not because of any CHC hate just because I root for Dunbar always outside of Gilman. I think it will be close but I just see CHC pulling out a close one.

[bigcountry]

im sure youth leagues at highest level then freshman year at Good Counsel, then CHC Sophmore year JV. Most kids go thru that progression unless they play at a program with little talent at the QB spot and start Varsity as a frosh

[92 Card]

56-3 in youth leagues? Because he hasn't started a game yet.

I have never seen Kuhns play so I have no opinion of him at all as a player. I have talked to people who I trust that have seen him play. Should be interesting to see how he is when the lights so to speak are turned on.

My bet is on CHC in this game but I will definitely be rooting for Dunbar. Not because of any CHC hate just because I root for Dunbar always outside of Gilman. I think it will be close but I just see CHC pulling out a close one.

Sounds like a comment you would find acceptable if it was about a Gilman kid. LOL

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Sounds like a comment you would find acceptable if it was about a Gilman kid. LOL

Now that's funny, no I wouldn't. All of these kids youth league records were pretty much spectacular.

[bigcountry]

kids 25-0 at GC and CHC. Stuff your analysis up your ***