*Official* Calvert Hall vs Dunbar Game Thread

**92 Card** · 05-19-2012, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by lord_baltimore

Well now that the Hall smacked the Don upside the head (17-3 final) i'm officially ready for football season. I wonder what kind of fiction Jose will come up with about this game to trash the Cards.

No doubt! Congratulations to the 2012 MIAA A Conference Champion Calvert Hall Cardinals. They have been the subject of unwarranted accusations and criticism from the blue blooded old guard for over a year now. They came to play tonight and nothing was going to keep the Red Birds from achieving their ultimate goal. Bones had arguably his worst game of the season at the face off x and it didn't matter one bit. They played with a fire inside them tonight that could not be contained. I don't know of a single "neutral observer" who rooted for The Hall tonight. It was The Cardinals against the MIAA lacrosse world and The Cardinals won in dominant fashion against the 2nd best team in the state and the top HS league in the nation. Congrats to Coach Kelly and The Cardinals on a well earned championship. Good thing he didn't run into the crowd pumping his fists and inciting the fans like last season's championship coach. LOL. The MIAA old guard most likely would have persecuted him for doing the exact same thing his colleague and old college roommate did last year.

**Big Sky** · 05-19-2012, 08:28 AM

High school football is always the same. Every one loses a ton of seniors. with that said every year, back ups step up and becomes the next group of stars.CHC loses the most on defence. with only 2-3 returning starters. Epple,Delondol, and Cole, will have to step up. Biggest weak spot will be the Defensive line. If some young bloods do not appear it could be a very long year.One Question is what do they do with Delondo.Since all the (great recruiters)LOL place him at a safety next level. Do they do what is best for him or put him at DE wich will be best for the team? The offense will be fine. Kohler has a lot of skilled players around him like Bones, Levere, Delondo, and lets not forget Kehne who I personally thought was the best runner they had last year. He hits the whole full speed he is low to the ground and he will run you over if you try to arm tackle him. This year they have to throw the ball to run it. If they try to Pound the rock and throw the ball it wil be a long year.Kohler is a good QB let him sling it around a little, quick passes build confidence.Keep the defense on their toes. If they wait for 3rd downs to throw it will be a up hill battle. Lets not forget Dunbar loses a ton of talent The big 3 Mc Manus, Highsmith, Hawkins, these 3 will not be easy to replace. Go Hall

**92 Card** · 05-19-2012, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Big Sky

High school football is always the same. Every one loses a ton of seniors. with that said every year, back ups step up and becomes the next group of stars.CHC loses the most on defence. with only 2-3 returning starters. Epple,Delondol, and Cole, will have to step up. Biggest weak spot will be the Defensive line. If some young bloods do not appear it could be a very long year.One Question is what do they do with Delondo.Since all the (great recruiters)LOL place him at a safety next level. Do they do what is best for him or put him at DE wich will be best for the team? The offense will be fine. Kohler has a lot of skilled players around him like Bones, Levere, Delondo, and lets not forget Kehne who I personally thought was the best runner they had last year. He hits the whole full speed he is low to the ground and he will run you over if you try to arm tackle him. This year they have to throw the ball to run it. If they try to Pound the rock and throw the ball it wil be a long year.Kohler is a good QB let him sling it around a little, quick passes build confidence.Keep the defense on their toes. If they wait for 3rd downs to throw it will be a up hill battle. Lets not forget Dunbar loses a ton of talent The big 3 Mc Manus, Highsmith, Hawkins, these 3 will not be easy to replace. Go Hall

Good analysis...Colar also has Erik Evans (3 sport varsity player in football, basketball and lacrosse this school year as a sophomore), Juantez Mcrae, Logan Kurek and the young man who wore #11 on JV last season to throw the ball to. I think they are going to move Delando around, but I think he will play safety. They are in good shape at CB as well, with Kennedy (very fast, also QB on championship JV team 2 yrs ago, but he was hurt all last season) and Bones or one of the handful of talented underclassmen CB's moving up. I am not sure which young bloods you are referencing. Kids moving up from JV or freshmen? The way it is looking right now, they might be playing a freshman at DE and a sophomore at one of the DT spots. I think the DL should be OK, but we will not know for sure untilAugust and beyond.

**neveradoubt** · 05-19-2012, 02:17 PM

It's all supposition! Right now CHC is in a position that they have not been since 2009.Yet to be proven.
Makes one realize just how good the 2010 MIAA championship team was!
I would be most happy to see them win 7 or 8 games. But that may be a stretch!
Johnson will be as good as the folks around him. He won't be able to carry the team by himself.
At this point I don't see them beating Dunbar, Gilman, Spalding or McD.

**92 Card** · 05-19-2012, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by neveradoubt

It's all supposition! Right now CHC is in a position that they have not been since 2009.Yet to be proven.
Makes one realize just how good the 2010 MIAA championship team was!
I would be most happy to see them win 7 or 8 games. But that may be a stretch!
Johnson will be as good as the folks around him. He won't be able to carry the team by himself.
At this point I don't see them beating Dunbar, Gilman, Spalding or McD.

You are right about the 2012 team yet to be proven. I think the program is actually in better shape in terms of depth than it was in '09. Are you saying Delando's production last season was a fluke? I guess Delando and his teammates will have to keep proving you wrong this year.

7 or wind a stretch? What do you see in Spalding, Mcdonogh and Dunbar vs what you see in CHC that gives them the edge over The Hall? Break it down.

**tjwilldo4u** · 05-19-2012, 03:43 PM

this is not the first time that Dunbar has played an MIAA team. twice they played the Dons and twice they lost. I believe the same will happen with the cards as well.

**neveradoubt** · 05-19-2012, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by 92 Card

You are right about the 2012 team yet to be proven. I think the program is actually in better shape in terms of depth than it was in '09. Are you saying Delando's production last season was a fluke? I guess Delando and his teammates will have to keep proving you wrong this year.

7 or wind a stretch? What do you see in Spalding, Mcdonogh and Dunbar vs what you see in CHC that gives them the edge over The Hall? Break it down.

I think Johnson is an outstanding athlete. No fluke here. My point is that lots of guys need to step up. I don't see a Yarborough, Janik or Holder there to help him out. Better he play at safety the Hall will need him there until the DL seasons.
Another post about Dunbar etal. I'm at a wedding in between dances.

**Big Sky** · 05-19-2012, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by 92 Card

You are right about the 2012 team yet to be proven. I think the program is actually in better shape in terms of depth than it was in '09. Are you saying Delando's production last season was a fluke? I guess Delando and his teammates will have to keep proving you wrong this year.

7 or wind a stretch? What do you see in Spalding, Mcdonogh and Dunbar vs what you see in CHC that gives them the edge over The Hall? Break it down.

Do not know CHC scheldule, Dematha is and always will be a handfull, St Johns will come to play, Gilman Always tough, McDonough will be a game and if they do not win the MIAA they will have a tough game in the playoffs. Dunbar they should beat but it will be a game. That is 6 very tough games. If they are a "Great team" they will win 3 of these games so 7 is not a bad number. If they are a good team they will win 2 of the 6. If they are the #3 team in the state or better they will win 4 of the games.

**GREYHOUND ALUM** · 05-19-2012, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Big Sky

Do not know CHC scheldule, Dematha is and always will be a handfull, St Johns will come to play, Gilman Always tough, McDonough will be a game and if they do not win the MIAA they will have a tough game in the playoffs. Dunbar they should beat but it will be a game. That is 6 very tough games. If they are a "Great team" they will win 3 of these games so 7 is not a bad number. If they are a good team they will win 2 of the 6. If they are the #3 team in the state or better they will win 4 of the games.

Without knowing who else Dunbar brings in, my money is one the Hall. The o
Players they have there still have played tougher games than what Dunbar palyers have.

Now this isn't me being a homer and putting CHC, I just don't see them as a contender right now. Not saying in wrong, he'll I wasn't a believer in Thomas but he made me one and to me was one if not the best QB I have ever seen in the Bmore area.

I think Keene is extremely talented, probably the most talented player on the team when it comes to natural talent. But just don't see it in the field. Bones great athlete, not a football player. Epple I think is a very solid player. Forgot he's back, very underrated. The defense is bare, not sure what Kuhns brings to the table. Johnson is a baller bit not a game changer like Trevor, Stuart or CJ. Levere, very good 2nd receiver, can he do it without Trevor getting all the attention? To me a lot of question marks.

I saw McRae play as a youth and he was a serious baller. How will it translate? How much has he grown? Is he ready to be the "MAN?" I

I think CHC will be good. Saying winning 7 games isn't a diss. I don't know enough about Brooks as a coach to say that he will win the game if you guys are playing DM. I think you guys wi definitely beat Spalding but you could definitely lose to Gilman and McDonogh. And let's not forget MSJ, they aren't bums anymore!

**92 Card** · 05-19-2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Big Sky

Do not know CHC scheldule, Dematha is and always will be a handfull, St Johns will come to play, Gilman Always tough, McDonough will be a game and if they do not win the MIAA they will have a tough game in the playoffs. Dunbar they should beat but it will be a game. That is 6 very tough games. If they are a "Great team" they will win 3 of these games so 7 is not a bad number. If they are a good team they will win 2 of the 6. If they are the #3 team in the state or better they will win 4 of the games.

i can't argue with that. St Johns and Dematha should be loaded with talent in their 2014 & '15 classes. Calvert Hall could finish anywhere within the boundaries you listed. I was asking neveradoubt how they are an unknown (I agree with) but penciled in for losses against Spalding and Mcdonogh .

**Big Sky** · 05-19-2012, 11:30 PM

I would never pencil in losses or wins.The ball bounces a funny way sometimes.The one thing I believe is the MIAA is always very competitive league,thats why we went to CHC. When he was throwing at linganore the OC told him he would be out by the half of the majority of the games. That they did not throw the ball in the 2nd half because they did not want to look like they were running up the score. I felt at CHC he would be in a dog fight until the final whistle blew 90% of the time and he would either win or lose it. That is what you want as a parent and a competitor. I do think it will be a rebuilding year for Spalding. MSJ slipped my mind, but I agree they are on an up swing. Henry has done a great Job with that team. I am not worried about a teams 14 &15 classes, I only worry about their 13th and a little 14th. Kehne did not get a chance to show what he had the last 2 years. He got the ball very seldom. I do not think it was cause of his play, more because the Hall was very deep in talented running backs and the seniors were first in line. They also deserved it. I believe because of spreading the ball around to CJ Neverdon,Kehne,Kelly,Cole,Flanery,Goodman.Never let any of them reach there potental.I think a great back needs to build a Rhythm. I also believe that over the last 2 years CHC could of lost 5-6 more games If it was not for 1or2 big plays during those games that occured on Defense,Offense and special teams. I also believe They could of gone undeafeated both years if it was'nt for a pick six and 2 special teams plays. Funny how you can be so close to being undefeated and on the other hand 500.

**92 Card** · 05-20-2012, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM

Without knowing who else Dunbar brings in, my money is one the Hall. The o
Players they have there still have played tougher games than what Dunbar palyers have.

Now this isn't me being a homer and putting CHC, I just don't see them as a contender right now. Not saying in wrong, he'll I wasn't a believer in Thomas but he made me one and to me was one if not the best QB I have ever seen in the Bmore area.

I think Keene is extremely talented, probably the most talented player on the team when it comes to natural talent. But just don't see it in the field. Bones great athlete, not a football player. Epple I think is a very solid player. Forgot he's back, very underrated. The defense is bare, not sure what Kuhns brings to the table. Johnson is a baller bit not a game changer like Trevor, Stuart or CJ. Levere, very good 2nd receiver, can he do it without Trevor getting all the attention? To me a lot of question marks.

I saw McRae play as a youth and he was a serious baller. How will it translate? How much has he grown? Is he ready to be the "MAN?" I

I think CHC will be good. Saying winning 7 games isn't a diss. I don't know enough about Brooks as a coach to say that he will win the game if you guys are playing DM. I think you guys wi definitely beat Spalding but you could definitely lose to Gilman and McDonogh. And let's not forget MSJ, they aren't bums anymore!

All of your points are accurate and valid. I agree with Big Sky. Keen is probably the most naturally gifted of the RBs on last years team. He is one of 3 players to make the varsity team as a freshman in the Davis era at Calvert Hall. CJ Williams and Rome Little (this past season) were the other two. There will be at least one freshman on the varsity team in 2012 and possibly 2 or 3. He was an explosive, dynamic player at Hamilton. However he had to share the load with talented upperclassmen and a slew of receivers. Garret could easily be one of the best RBs in the state this year. He can be as good as he wants to be. How much he wants it will go a long way in determining his success. I think he will thrive as the main RB.

I think it's too early to know exactly what The Hall will look like once the 2012 Cardinals hit the field. I don't think there will be any easy games in the MIAA A this season. Depending on a few unknown variables, CHC could win as few as 5 or 6 games and the possibility is there for them to win 8 or more. According to many people, this is supposed to be CHC's down season compared to the previous 2 and the next 2 or 3 after this season. Graduation is an inevitable part of HS sports (hopefully, LOL). Someone has to fill the vacated spots. I am excited about this group of players stepping into the roles left behind by the the graduating seniors who put Calvert Hall football back on the map. Many of whom are not the subject of our banter. The staff has a big challenge ahead of them in this season of transition. The coaches I talked to are looking forward to the challenge. It may be the homer in me, but I think they are in very good shape as a program. There are more football players at the Hall than there were 3 years ago. Personally, I think this group is going to surprise people. Having said that, this group has a lot to prove and I could be dead wrong. We will know for in a few months.

I also agree there is no penciling in specific W's and L's , especially this season.

**92 Card** · 05-20-2012, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM

Without knowing who else Dunbar brings in, my money is one the Hall. The o
Players they have there still have played tougher games than what Dunbar palyers have.

Now this isn't me being a homer and putting CHC, I just don't see them as a contender right now. Not saying in wrong, he'll I wasn't a believer in Thomas but he made me one and to me was one if not the best QB I have ever seen in the Bmore area.

I think Keene is extremely talented, probably the most talented player on the team when it comes to natural talent. But just don't see it in the field. Bones great athlete, not a football player. Epple I think is a very solid player. Forgot he's back, very underrated. The defense is bare, not sure what Kuhns brings to the table. Johnson is a baller bit not a game changer like Trevor, Stuart or CJ. Levere, very good 2nd receiver, can he do it without Trevor getting all the attention? To me a lot of question marks.

I saw McRae play as a youth and he was a serious baller. How will it translate? How much has he grown? Is he ready to be the "MAN?" I

I think CHC will be good. Saying winning 7 games isn't a diss. I don't know enough about Brooks as a coach to say that he will win the game if you guys are playing DM. I think you guys wi definitely beat Spalding but you could definitely lose to Gilman and McDonogh. And let's not forget MSJ, they aren't bums anymore!

Speaking of MSJ, their big QB, Luke Casey transferred to Atholton.

**RM7** · 05-20-2012, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by 92 Card

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Speaking of MSJ, their big QB, Luke Casey transferred to Atholton.

Lost his job last year and wasn't going to start this year.

**RM7** · 05-20-2012, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by 92 Card

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Speaking of MSJ, their big QB, Luke Casey transferred to Atholton.

Gonna have to watch Atholton their using the ROTC program to bring in some very good players.

**92 Card** · 05-20-2012, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by RM7

Lost his job last year and wasn't going to start this year.

I know Jangro took over the starting job about 1/2 way through last season, but I think it's crazy to not give Casey a chance to earn his starting job back. I think Casey has a bigger upside.

**RM7** · 05-20-2012, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by 92 Card

I know Jangro took over the starting job about 1/2 way through last season, but I think it's crazy to not give Casey a chance to earn his starting job back. I think Casey has a bigger upside.

Maybe Jango is soph and played pretty well. We also have a transfer who had to sit out last year. Their was also some other circumstances that lead to Mr. Casey leaving.

**92 Card** · 05-20-2012, 06:52 PM

Greyhound,

I forgot about Cole Atkinson. He played well at FB and LB for most of the season. DL Aaron Mackell went down with an injury either in the Spalding or MSJ game and Cole more than held his own filling in (mostly a NT) vs much bigger OL at times. I believe he played DL vs MSJ, McDonogh in the playoffs, vs Gilman in the Championship game and in the Turkey bowl. Aaron tried to give it a go in the Championship game, but his injured ankle clearly made him a liability. Gilman seized the opportunity when he was in the game and they ran right at the injured DL. Mackell was pulled and Cole's presence made a world of difference, as he more than held his own for the rest of the game vs Gilman's much larger OL. He is a very underrated, flexible player who should be one of the anchors on this year's defense. Cole should thrive at FB, but his presence will be felt the most on defense at a myriad of positions. He can play DE, DT, OLB and ILB.

**Big Sky** · 05-20-2012, 06:55 PM

Recruiters look at upsides, Coaches look at who can win. A lot of time when a coach loses his faith in a QB it also strips the confidence in the QB. Once that is gone it is all over. A new start is probally just what the young man needs to progress.