NAACP votes to support marriage equality.

[RavnFreek]

They would have to make a case, as I have told you before, just as gays have done. Please stop recycling these pathetically thought out arguments. Gays should not have to wait for other groups to mobilize for their cause before we can marry.

Could you have dodged that question any more? Just answer the question.

[RavnFreek]

It's a matter of terminology, teach.

You (and others) keep using the term "marriage equality" as though it's synonymous with "same sex marriage", which it isn't.

When the NAACP fought for racial equality, was the equality goal for blacks only ? Did they tell other "colored peoples" to fight for their own rights ?

Yes please show when the Asian community stood up and fought for their rights of equality like the black community did. Should we take away the civil rights of Asians because they did not march on Washington?

[Bmoreteacher]

Could you have dodged that question any more? Just answer the question.

I have as answered it many times over. If incestuous couples wish to marry, they first need to work to get the laws changed. Unlike with race, the specific laws we are working to change are saying that marriage is between a man and a woman. Even if we changed the marriage law, polygamy and incest is still illegal. Why should gays have to wait for marriage when polygamists and incestuous couples haven't done anything to get the laws changed? This is nothing more than a pathetic red herring trying to further delay the inevitable.

[RavnFreek]

I have as answered it many times over. If incestuous couples wish to marry, they first need to work to get the laws changed. Unlike with race, the specific laws we are working to change are saying that marriage is between a man and a woman. Even if we changed the marriage law, polygamy and incest is still illegal. Why should gays have to wait for marriage when polygamists and incestuous couples haven't done anything to get the laws changed? This is nothing more than a pathetic red herring trying to further delay the inevitable.

Ok, that's fine, but the original point was what you were referring to as "marriage equality" is really "gay marriage equality" then right?

[Bmoreteacher]

Ok, that's fine, but the original point was what you were referring to as "marriage equality" is really "gay marriage equality" then right?

...obviously. That has already been addressed.

[RavnFreek]

The NAACP fought for the advancement of "colored peoples" who were all fighting already. I haven't heard of a single case of polygamists or incestuous couples fighting for their right to marry. Gays currently do not have equal rights in marriage, so yes, we are fighting for marriage equality. It is understood by those who have even limited intelligence that that is talking about same sex marriages. If other groups wish to come forward and fight, they are free to do so.


"Gays currently do not have equal rights in marriage"

I could actually argue against that statement. Gays do in fact have the same rights as straight people when it comes to same sex marriage. You cannot marry anyone who of the same sex as you are, it does not matter if you are gay or not.

Example: I am a straight man, I cannot marry another man. There are plenty of reasons other than love to enter into a civil union, the rules are the same for everyone.

[betamanlet]

...obviously. That has already been addressed.

So are you offended when you see people holding up signs about marriage equality when you know that they aren't being honest?

[betamanlet]

I could actually argue against that statement. Gays do in fact have the same rights as straight people when it comes to same sex marriage. You cannot marry anyone who of the same sex as you are, it does not matter if you are gay or not.

Example: I am a straight man, I cannot marry another man. There are plenty of reasons other than love to enter into a civil union, the rules are the same for everyone.

I would think roommate partnerships would be a great idea. imagine the tax benefits you could get, especially if your roommate makes a lot less than you.

[RavnFreek]

I would think roommate partnerships would be a great idea. imagine the tax benefits you could get, especially if your roommate makes a lot less than you.

My point exactly. Also what is going to start taking place in the military once it is allowed. You get extra money and privileges if you are married. You don't have to live in the barracks and you get housing allowance. The senior of the two will get dependent pay as well. So why not get married to your buddy? Not that you can't do that with a male and female service member now (and it does happen) but they usually end ugly when one of the two begins to have feelings for the other. (seen it a hundred times)

[kudzu]

I am sure homosexuals are for marriage equality for everyone that needs it.

"need" is a judgement call, isn't it ?

I don't need to fight for marriage equality for anyone else because heterosexual coupes already have marriage equality. They can marry who they want.

No, heterosexuals don't have marriage equality. They've got marriage, with some restrictions. Which is what homosexuals want. Or, at least, are only fighting for. Not marriage "equality" for everyone, i.e. any consenting adults who want it.

As far as degrees of consanguinity, the state has a compelling reason to outlaw marrying your sister. There is no compelling reason to oultaw two men marrying.

Two questions:

1) What's the compelling reason to outlaw brother-sister marriages ?

2) Assuming that same sex marriage were legal, does the state have a compelling case to outlaw two brothers marrying ?

[kudzu]

kudzu, would you support the Jews lobbying to ban pork or haircuts? Of course not.

Nope.

But I'd sure resist them trying to change the definition of "pork".

[betamanlet]

You'll hear people say incestuous marriages should be illegal due to the risk of birth defects, and becaues it is "icky" but not all incestuous couples want or can even have kids.

And the kids rationale wouldn't apply with same sex incestuous couples.

[Baltimatt]

Kudzu and beta--

If we take the sex distinctions out of marriage, then we wouldn't distinguish between same-sex and opposite-sex incestuous relationships.

[kudzu]

Kudzu and beta--

If we take the sex distinctions out of marriage, then we wouldn't distinguish between same-sex and opposite-sex incestuous relationships.

Why not ?

Let's wait and see what Sage says about there being or not being a compelling case to prevent two brothers marrying.

[Calamari]

I am sure homosexuals are for marriage equality for everyone that needs it.

Not if they are homosexuals who are (inexplicably) voting Republican.

[kudzu]

Why not ?

Let's wait and see what Sage says about there being or not being a compelling case to prevent two brothers marrying.

Hello, Sage ?

Matt and I are waiting...

[Bmoreteacher]

I could actually argue against that statement. Gays do in fact have the same rights as straight people when it comes to same sex marriage. You cannot marry anyone who of the same sex as you are, it does not matter if you are gay or not.

Example: I am a straight man, I cannot marry another man. There are plenty of reasons other than love to enter into a civil union, the rules are the same for everyone.

Straight people can marry the person they love and are sexually attracted to. Boom, there goes that argument (which has been tried a million times.)

[Bmoreteacher]

So are you offended when you see people holding up signs about marriage equality when you know that they aren't being honest?

Do you ever feel stupid when you ignore what others have said just you can repeat the same crap that you've already posted?

[Bmoreteacher]

I would think roommate partnerships would be a great idea. imagine the tax benefits you could get, especially if your roommate makes a lot less than you.

If you think that would be equivalent to a gay relationship, you are a complete moron. You're trying to compare my committed relationship to my partner to a deal 2 roommates could make? Come on now, you HAVE to be smarter than that.

[Bmoreteacher]

My point exactly. Also what is going to start taking place in the military once it is allowed. You get extra money and privileges if you are married. You don't have to live in the barracks and you get housing allowance. The senior of the two will get dependent pay as well. So why not get married to your buddy? Not that you can't do that with a male and female service member now (and it does happen) but they usually end ugly when one of the two begins to have feelings for the other. (seen it a hundred times)

If you've seen it a hundred times with men and women, what is going to make people of the same sex doing it any different?