US Congress Supports And Legitimizes Terrorism

[Wizard777]

Banned Iranian terror group lobbies for legitimacy on Capitol Hill

A banned terrorist group is conducting what members of Congress describe as one of the most effective lobbying campaigns seen on Capitol Hill, winning support from politicians even in the face of a government investigation of its legality.

Former heads of the CIA, FBI, homeland security and the US military have joined members of Congress of both major parties in backing a legal action by the People's Mujahideen Organisation of Iran, known as the MEK, to be removed from the US list of proscribed terrorist organisations.

But the openness of the campaign and the large amounts of money backing it, with donations to congressional campaign funds and large payments for speeches in support of the MEK, has prompted an investigation into potential breaches of laws against financial dealings with banned organisations and whether the campaign amounts to material support for terrorism.

[Wizard777]

This is pre 9/11 thinking at it's worst. How quickly they forget that long before 9/11 Al Qaida was our friend helping us fight the Russians in Afghanistan. So how long will this friendship with MEK last and how many Americans will be killed when it ends? The worst part is that Al Qaida doesn't have a history that is nearly as bloody as MEK's.

In America's war on Terrorism Congress should be sending a message to the world loud and clear. Those who engage in Terrorism only have two ends, jail and death. Once you engage in terrorism we don't care what you have done after that. Even if you discover a cure for cancer with the only known side effect being that it causes World Peace. You still have two ends, jail and death. Congress should be establishing that once you resort to Terrorism there is absolutely NOTHING you can do to make up for that or make that past go away. Anyone in Congress even talking to MEK should be impeached, arrested, tried, convicted and jailed for life. How damned dare they betray the victims of 9/11 and all who have died in the War on Terrorism by cozying up to terrorists on Capital Hill!

[can you hear me now!]

if you waive enough enough money in front of any congress critter they'll support anything...the MEK belongs on the terrorist list...your observation about AQ is spot on....many don't remember the US backed the Taliban against the Russians in 1979.....those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it....

[Wizard777]

The MEK says that whatever its past, it has not done anything that fits the US definition of terrorism for at least a decade.

There is no statute of limitations on Murder. Once a murderer always a murderer. Once a terrorist always a terrorist.

[Wizard777]

"I've been in politics 34 years, and I can tell you right now that I would not jeopardize my reputation for any amount of money," Rendell told the Washington Times. "If you indict me, I hope you know, you have to indict 67 other Americans who did the same thing, including seven generals."

Every last one of them should be indicted for TREASON in the War on Terrorism for adhering to the enemy, giving them aid and comfort.

US Constitution Article III, Section 3. - Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

[Wizard777]

"Two of the spokesmen for the MEK today – James Woolsey and John Sano, the former director of the CIA and the former deputy director for clandestine operations – both are saying they're not a terrorist organisation. It's a resistance organisation.

"They're not after the power in Iran, they're after democracy in Iran.

Democracy is not a form of power? That is an interesting concept. It's somewhat psychotic. But still interesting.

[Wizard777]

PRE-911

When I was in Afghanistan, and it was a combat zone and we were getting soldiers killed, Al Qaida was on our flank doing everything humanly possible to help us from getting soldiers killed. And when some of my soldiers got killed I saw the pain in their faces. They were very committed to working with us, he said.

POST-9/11

"When I was in Iraq, and it was a combat zone and we were getting soldiers killed, the MEK was on our flank doing everything humanly possible to help us from getting soldiers killed. And when some of my soldiers got killed I saw the pain in their faces. They were very committed to working with us," he said.

[Wizard777]

"We have the first amendment (to the constitution) protecting freedom of speech. The treasury department is in violation of our constitution," he said

Then I guess this just First Amendment Freedom of Expression.

SCOTUS has ruled that criminal speech is not protected speech. Every word spoken in an act of TREASON is criminal speech. MEK are listed enemies in the War on Terror. Adhering to them or giving them aid and comfort is the highest of high crimes.

[cprenegade]

There is no statute of limitations on Murder. Once a murderer always a murderer. Once a terrorist always a terrorist.

If that is the case, we should not even be willing to talk to the legitimate government of Iran. They have sponsored more world terrorism than the MEK ever did. I don't know how this will turn out, or if it even is a good thing, but I am pretty sure what the intention is. The US government is ready to support the MEK in hopes that they can destabilize the Iranian government enough to create an "arab spring" in Iran. Weakening the Iranian government would also weaken their attempt to develop nuclear weapons. One thing that does appear to be true is that this is a bipartisan effort. Howard Dean, who is as liberal as they come, wants the US to recognize one of the MEK's original founders as the legitimate president of Iran. Given that the US under a republican invaded Iraq, and under a democrat participated in a bombing campaign to oust Ghaddafi, I have no doubt that this movement will grow legs. If the MEK can create enough destabilization within Iraq to put their government in jeapordy, and threaten their nuclear program, the president will look awfully good in his handling of foreign affairs come November. Once they are off the terrorist list, the US can align with them and front them money. I believe that will indeed happen. Iran is the last piece of the puzzle in the Middle East that needs to be changed. I doubt either republicans or democrats will not jump at this chance. What happens down the road will be dealt with then. But since we already have supported Egypt's overthrowing a 30 year ally of ours, and have helped Libya into something we have no idea how it will turn out, why not one more in the hopes to take out the biggest prize of all? It's better than bombing Iran and taking a chance on all out war, isn't it?

[Wizard777]

If that is the case, we should not even be willing to talk to the legitimate government of Iran. They have sponsored more world terrorism than the MEK ever did. I don't know how this will turn out, or if it even is a good thing, but I am pretty sure what the intention is. The US government is ready to support the MEK in hopes that they can destabilize the Iranian government enough to create an "arab spring" in Iran. Weakening the Iranian government would also weaken their attempt to develop nuclear weapons. One thing that does appear to be true is that this is a bipartisan effort. Howard Dean, who is as liberal as they come, wants the US to recognize one of the MEK's original founders as the legitimate president of Iran. Given that the US under a republican invaded Iraq, and under a democrat participated in a bombing campaign to oust Ghaddafi, I have no doubt that this movement will grow legs. If the MEK can create enough destabilization within Iraq to put their government in jeapordy, and threaten their nuclear program, the president will look awfully good in his handling of foreign affairs come November. Once they are off the terrorist list, the US can align with them and front them money. I believe that will indeed happen. Iran is the last piece of the puzzle in the Middle East that needs to be changed. I doubt either republicans or democrats will not jump at this chance. What happens down the road will be dealt with then. But since we already have supported Egypt's overthrowing a 30 year ally of ours, and have helped Libya into something we have no idea how it will turn out, why not one more in the hopes to take out the biggest prize of all? It's better than bombing Iran and taking a chance on all out war, isn't it?

Once again I find myself saying that I hope we don't repeat our past mistakes with Iran. Didn't we learn in Iraq that democracy is not something that you can do for a people. If ever there were a do it youself project. Building a democracy is definitely it. Look at Egypt. If that goes horribly wrong they have no one to blame but themselves. That's how it's supposed to be in a Democracy. In a democracy you are the writers of your own future. You are the authors of your own misfortune. You are also the authors of your own Success.

[ivanbalt]

This is pre 9/11 thinking at it's worst. How quickly they forget that long before 9/11 Al Qaida was our friend helping us fight the Russians in Afghanistan. So how long will this friendship with MEK last and how many Americans will be killed when it ends? The worst part is that Al Qaida doesn't have a history that is nearly as bloody as MEK's.

In America's war on Terrorism Congress should be sending a message to the world loud and clear. Those who engage in Terrorism only have two ends, jail and death. Once you engage in terrorism we don't care what you have done after that. Even if you discover a cure for cancer with the only known side effect being that it causes World Peace. You still have two ends, jail and death. Congress should be establishing that once you resort to Terrorism there is absolutely NOTHING you can do to make up for that or make that past go away. Anyone in Congress even talking to MEK should be impeached, arrested, tried, convicted and jailed for life. How damned dare they betray the victims of 9/11 and all who have died in the War on Terrorism by cozying up to terrorists on Capital Hill!

Would you feel the same way about Hamas? You know, the Palestinian terrorist group currently running Gaza?

[CajunRaven]

There is no statute of limitations on Murder. Once a murderer always a murderer. Once a terrorist always a terrorist.

Including Hamas and Hezbollah?

Is this a case of choosing between the lesser of two evils, which seems to usually be the case regarding the ME? Who is worse, the current regime or the unknown of that which would replace it?

If they can destabilize the current regime in Iran, is that a good thing? I would think so.

[Wizard777]

Would you feel the same way about Hamas? You know, the Palestinian terrorist group currently running Gaza?

If we're going to call a terrorist a terrorist. Absolutely! But I would also have to condemn Israel for their uses of A Symetrical Warfare.

[Wizard777]

Including Hamas and Hezbollah?

Is this a case of choosing between the lesser of two evils, which seems to usually be the case regarding the ME? Who is worse, the current regime or the unknown of that which would replace it?

If they can destabilize the current regime in Iran, is that a good thing? I would think so.

That's just it. It's not our choice to make. The most effective and lasting change in Iran will come from within.

I understand that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. So I would have to ask what has MEK done in the way of reparations for their past acts of terrorism. The way I see it all that money they are throwing around on Capital Hill belongs to their victims or their next of kin. That includes the Americans that MEK has killed.

You can say what you will about the regime in Iran. But when they invaded our embassy and took the hostages. They didn't kill any Americans. I can't say that about MEK. They have American blood on their hands. Buying treacherous whores in DC will not make that go away.

[CajunRaven]

That's just it. It's not our choice to make. The most effective and lasting change in Iran will come from within.

I understand that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. So I would have to ask what has MEK done in the way of reparations for their past acts of terrorism. The way I see it all that money they are throwing around on Capital Hill belongs to their victims or their next of kin. That includes the Americans that MEK has killed.

You can say what you will about the regime in Iran. But when they invaded our embassy and took the hostages. They didn't kill any Americans. I can't say that about MEK. They have American blood on their hands. Buying treacherous whores in DC will not make that go away.

Ok, and generally and I don't think we can go around meddling in the affairs of others around the world all the time. I certainly hope we have learned our lesson regarding nation building. I disagreed with that thinking on both Irag and Afghanistan. We should have killed Bin Laden and his cronies while we had the chance in Afghanistan and then left.

OTOH, I also believe Edmund Burke was right and I believe the Iranian regime is evil. They interfere everywhere they can. And their leaders are brutal and irrational. If they are left to their own devices, we'll eventually be involved regardless. If they get a bomb, they'll use it against Israel. At that point, it becomes everyone's problem.

So it's a tough situation. Sort of like the Nazis. The longer you let something like that go, the higher the price down the road when you have no choice and are pulled into it.