Is it fair that dunbar will play chc so early

[agentorange]

I have always said that the top 4 teams in the City, Howard, Bmore, Anne arundel and frederick county are on par with the top 4 miaa-a teams and i stand behind what I have always said. However, I think its unfair that Dunbar will play CHC so early as the Cards will have a two week jump is summer practise time. Be that this is so, I think the Cards will take this one 18-16....I simply dont think its fair that whenever a miaa-a team takes on a City league team, they always do it in the first game of the season or close to it...when will the city league coach's learn their lesson. I aint too happy with how Petrides does things theses days but one thing I can say about him, he knows the deal with the sneaky Miaa-a coach's approach to scheduling and does not fall for the oaky doak

[harcohorns]

The out of state and out of conference games are almost always the first few games due to teams conference schedules already being made ahead of time. fyi.. MIAA teams can kick field goals so your 18 will probably be 21 just saying..

[agentorange]

the out of state and out of conference games are almost always the first few games due to teams conference schedules already being made ahead of time. Fyi.. Miaa teams can kick field goals so your 18 will probably be 21 just saying..

good point

[92 Card]

I have always said that the top 4 teams in the City, Howard, Bmore, Anne arundel and frederick county are on par with the top 4 miaa-a teams and i stand behind what I have always said. However, I think its unfair that Dunbar will play CHC so early as the Cards will have a two week jump is summer practise time. Be that this is so, I think the Cards will take this one 18-16....I simply dont think its fair that whenever a miaa-a team takes on a City league team, they always do it in the first game of the season or close to it...when will the city league coach's learn their lesson. I aint too happy with how Petrides does things theses days but one thing I can say about him, he knows the deal with the sneaky Miaa-a coach's approach to scheduling nd does not fall for the oaky doak

I am going to start by saying "with all due respect", Give me a break, sir! I am not buying a single word of this post. Dunbar wants to play CHC as soon as possible this year and the advantage clearly goes to Dunbar, who is the favorite in this game. The practice time difference is very exaggerated. I thought we squashed this issue last summer when your inflated numbers were exposed as not being the truth. I know for a fact the Poets coaches are already game planning for this match up.

Llike I said, their best chance of winning is by playing this game as early as possible. Calvert Hall will have new starters all over the field, including at least 1 freshman. The Cardinals play Dunbar, DeMatha ans St. John's (DC) in a 15 day span. All three teams are loaded with experienced talent. CHC has to take a one game at a time approach. Dunbar can and will get up for this game. They can have an emotional let down and play a few bad games in the following weeks and still come out on top in this games on difference in talent. Calvert Hall cannot.

Dunbar ducked CHC for 2 years and Bob Wade wouldn't touch The Hall with a 10 ft pole. Now they are playing them in the 1st game of the season in which Calvert Hall will have 15 or 16 new starters.

I like your provocation, but here is no way in hell the top 4 City, Howard, Bmore, Anne Arundel and Frederick County teams are on par with the top 4 MIAA A teams if all things were equal. There are no weeks off in the MIAA. The top teams in the City and "most" of the surrounding counties only have to get up once or twice per season. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

I am going to start by saying "with all due respect", Give me a break, sir! I am not buying a single word of this post. Dunbar wants to play CHC as soon as possible this year and the advantage clearly goes to Dunbar, who is the favorite in this game. The practice time difference is very exaggerated. I thought we squashed this issue last summer when your inflated numbers were exposed as not being the truth. I know for a fact the Poets coaches are already game planning for this match up.

Llike I said, their best chance of winning is by playing this game as early as possible. Calvert Hall will have new starters all over the field, including at least 1 freshman. The Cardinals play Dunbar, DeMatha ans St. John's (DC) in a 15 day span. All three teams are loaded with experienced talent. CHC has to take a one game at a time approach. Dunbar can and will get up for this game. They can have an emotional let down and play a few bad games in the following weeks and still come out on top in this games on difference in talent. Calvert Hall cannot.

Dunbar ducked CHC for 2 years and Bob Wade wouldn't touch The Hall with a 10 ft pole. Now they are playing them in the 1st game of the season in which Calvert Hall will have 15 or 16 new starters.

I like your provocation, but here is no way in hell the top 4 City, Howard, Bmore, Anne Arundel and Frederick County teams are on par with the top 4 MIAA A teams if all things were equal. There are no weeks off in the MIAA. The top teams in the City and "most" of the surrounding counties only have to get up once or twice per season. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

You are right on. I told my friend AO last year that there was only a 5 day difference in starting practice days between publics and privates. I believe the WCAC starts practice a week earlier than MIAA teams though. And the reason the MIAA teams start practice before the publics is because they play a week before the publics, it's pretty simple.

You are also right on, no counties Top 4 teams could play with the MIAA. Maybe 5 years ago this might have been close to true but not now. There's a huge gap and it's only getting bigger.

[meth007]

6 days and about 12 practices counting 2 a days....but we will ready. And stop it already with the we chose this game this season because we thought CH would be weak this year. The CH hall game makes $ sense.....period for both programs. Dunbar wanted several privates during the Austin, Farr and Perry area, but couldnt find a private. Couldve played Dematha Austin Sr year but couldnt get a break in our schedule. Other years we just had prior committments thats all. The Randallstown yr we desprately tried to get a better game but couldnt coordinate anything for week one..gilman, ch and loyola had commitments those yrs..NO Wade nothing....We would welcome the best competition every year....its not our fault that Most Pivates, 4A and 3A teams dont want to play a 1A team....

[agentorange]

You are right on. I told my friend AO last year that there was only a 5 day difference in starting practice days between publics and privates. I believe the WCAC starts practice a week earlier than MIAA teams though. And the reason the MIAA teams start practice before the publics is because they play a week before the publics, it's pretty simple.

You are also right on, no counties Top 4 teams could play with the MIAA. Maybe 5 years ago this might have been close to true but not now. There's a huge gap and it's only getting bigger.

I'm sticking to my claim that the Miaa-a has a very unfair advantage in practise time and I mean what I say...what too many Miaa-a insiders and fans fail to realize is even if the Miaa-a has only a six day jump on the other leagues, that time is almost always chocked full of 2 a days, clinics, film, walk thru's and high level conditioning workouts....cmon GreyHound, you no better...

[agentorange]

6 days and about 12 practices counting 2 a days....but we will ready. And stop it already with the we chose this game this season because we thought CH would be weak this year. The CH hall game makes $ sense.....period for both programs. Dunbar wanted several privates during the Austin, Farr and Perry area, but couldnt find a private. Couldve played Dematha Austin Sr year but couldnt get a break in our schedule. Other years we just had prior committments thats all. The Randallstown yr we desprately tried to get a better game but couldnt coordinate anything for week one..gilman, ch and loyola had commitments those yrs..NO Wade nothing....We would welcome the best competition every year....its not our fault that Most Pivates, 4A and 3A teams dont want to play a 1A team....

METH....I totally agree with you here...I have never been a Wade fan and dont like him that much to boot, however one thing I can say and I know this for a fact is that Wade would have played the Ravens if he could have gotten away with it...Too mnay teams outright ducked Dunbar...half of the teams that ducked them had legit scheduling problems (Gilman for starters) but would not have played them if the damn schedule was empty...Abbotts has always been a stuck up grey poupon panzy who did not want any parts Of Dunbar and even dropped Bcc from its scrimmage schedule because he grew tired of scraping his kids off the turf...St Joes, CHC and Spalding have never ducked anybody...

[85Knight]

6 days and about 12 practices counting 2 a days....but we will ready. And stop it already with the we chose this game this season because we thought CH would be weak this year. The CH hall game makes $ sense.....period for both programs. Dunbar wanted several privates during the Austin, Farr and Perry area, but couldnt find a private. Couldve played Dematha Austin Sr year but couldnt get a break in our schedule. Other years we just had prior committments thats all. The Randallstown yr we desprately tried to get a better game but couldnt coordinate anything for week one..gilman, ch and loyola had commitments those yrs..NO Wade nothing....We would welcome the best competition every year....its not our fault that Most Pivates, 4A and 3A teams dont want to play a 1A team....

It's the MIAA arrogance that makes some of them think that some of the public schools are ducking them. I talk to the coaches and it's all about timing and trying to play teams in your region to help you get into the playoffs. I disagree with some of their reasoning but that's what happens vs. them being afraid. I don't care if that's Coach Davis' opinion, that doesn't make it the truth.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

METH....I totally agree with you here...I have never been a Wade fan and dont like him that much to boot, however one thing I can say and I know this for a fact is that Wade would have played the Ravens if he could have gotten away with it...Too mnay teams outright ducked Dunbar...half of the teams that ducked them had legit scheduling problems (Gilman for starters) but would not have played them if the damn schedule was empty...Abbotts has always been a stuck up grey poupon panzy who did not want any parts Of Dunbar and even dropped Bcc from its scrimmage schedule because he grew tired of scraping his kids off the turf...St Joes, CHC and Spalding have never ducked anybody...

Gilman has and never will duck any team. Even when they know that they probably would lose. Not their mantra. They have played Dunbar close to 10 times and have won every time. Only reason why they don't play Dunbar is because they Dunbar does nothing for their overall goal and playing a national schedule. Really no reason to play Dunbar right now. Don't get me wrong, Dunbar is absolutely loaded with talent but Gilman isn't worried about that.

[lord_baltimore]

This is a pretty sad post. Do we really need to start making excuses already? The game hasn't even been played. Give your guys a chance....they're pretty damn good.

[TheGuru]

6 days and about 12 practices counting 2 a days....but we will ready. And stop it already with the we chose this game this season because we thought CH would be weak this year. The CH hall game makes $ sense.....period for both programs. Dunbar wanted several privates during the Austin, Farr and Perry area, but couldnt find a private. Couldve played Dematha Austin Sr year but couldnt get a break in our schedule. Other years we just had prior committments thats all. The Randallstown yr we desprately tried to get a better game but couldnt coordinate anything for week one..gilman, ch and loyola had commitments those yrs..NO Wade nothing....We would welcome the best competition every year....its not our fault that Most Pivates, 4A and 3A teams dont want to play a 1A team....

Calvert Hall tried to schedule Dunbar when Coach Davis was building his program the first few seasons. Coach Smith was arrogant and thought that Calvert Hall was beneath the Poets. The last two seasons, Calvert Hall was better than anything the City had to offer. City College has also had opportunities to play the Cardinals and Petrides said no. He puts together the city league schedules, for God's sake! Poly & Edmondson have been the only Big 5" programs in the city with the cajones to schedule MIAA "A" conference teams the past few seasons. AO, Meth & '85Knight, didn't CHC shut out the City Co-Champions, Poly, in 2010? And if I'm not mistaken MSJ beat Edmondson in a snoozefest that same season, right? Baltimore City will never play teams on a regular basis that they competed against for decades. In the end, the fans are screwed.

[BmoreCounty99]

Calvert Hall tried to schedule Dunbar when Coach Davis was building his program the first few seasons. Coach Smith was arrogant and thought that Calvert Hall was beneath the Poets. The last two seasons, Calvert Hall was better than anything the City had to offer. City College has also had opportunities to play the Cardinals and Petrides said no. He puts together the city league schedules, for God's sake! Poly & Edmondson have been the only Big 5" programs in the city with the cajones to schedule MIAA "A" conference teams the past few seasons. AO, Meth & '85Knight, didn't CHC shut out the City Co-Champions, Poly, in 2010? And if I'm not mistaken MSJ beat Edmondson in a snoozefest that same season, right? Baltimore City will never play teams on a regular basis that they competed against for decades. In the end, the fans are screwed.

ET made that call instead of the Poets those years and both those games were very exciting. All the respect in the world for CHC. Good players, fans and coaches. CHC will beat Dunbar this year IMO.

[85Knight]

Calvert Hall tried to schedule Dunbar when Coach Davis was building his program thWze first few seasons. Coach Smith was arrogant and thought that Calvert Hall was beneath the Poets. The last two seasons, Calvert Hall was better than anything the City had to offer. City College has also had opportunities to play the Cardinals and Petrides said no. He puts together the city league schedules, for God's sake! Poly & Edmondson have been the only Big 5" programs in the city with the cajones to schedule MIAA "A" conference teams the past few seasons. AO, Meth & '85Knight, didn't CHC shut out the City Co-Champions, Poly, in 2010? And if I'm not mistaken MSJ beat Edmondson in a snoozefest that same season, right? Baltimore City will never play teams on a regular basis that they competed against for decades. In the end, the fans are screwed.

Not true. The year CH beat Poly they were 6-2 and 3rd in the city. CH was 10-1 and MIAA champs. I can't remember the last time the top teams from both leagues actually met but I believe it was when Gilman beat Dunbar like 10 yrs ago.

Poly also got shutout by Dunbar 22-0 that year who were co-champs with Patterson. Hmm...how coincidental.

[agentorange]

Calvert Hall tried to schedule Dunbar when Coach Davis was building his program the first few seasons. Coach Smith was arrogant and thought that Calvert Hall was beneath the Poets. The last two seasons, Calvert Hall was better than anything the City had to offer. City College has also had opportunities to play the Cardinals and Petrides said no. He puts together the city league schedules, for God's sake! Poly & Edmondson have been the only Big 5" programs in the city with the cajones to schedule MIAA "A" conference teams the past few seasons. AO, Meth & '85Knight, didn't CHC shut out the City Co-Champions, Poly, in 2010? And if I'm not mistaken MSJ beat Edmondson in a snoozefest that same season, right? Baltimore City will never play teams on a regular basis that they competed against for decades. In the end, the fans are screwed.

GURU...U R OFF TOPIC....The is issue is not about the City league but more about Dunbar and who they may have ducked or who may have ducked them...true, George simply turned down CHC for two reasons, he was to smart too schedule a game with a miaa-a team so early in the season...and second, it came directly from his mouth and I heard him say it "been there done that"...George is the only City league coach with a 700 winning percentage vs Miaa-a teams and won at least half of his matchups with CHC...

[agentorange]

Not true. The year CH beat Poly they were 6-2 and 3rd in the city. CH was 10-1 and MIAA champs. I can't remember the last time the top teams from both leagues actually met but I believe it was when Gilman beat Dunbar like 10 yrs ago.

Poly also got shutout by Dunbar 22-0 that year who were co-champs with Patterson. Hmm...how coincidental.

GOOD STUFF HERE BRO....I saw both Dunbar and CHC up close that year and I actually thought CHC was about 6 points better...I guess the scores told the truth.

[Big Sky]

GOOD STUFF HERE BRO....I saw both Dunbar and CHC up close that year and I actually thought CHC was about 6 points better...I guess the scores told the truth.

They both also played HDG, Dunbar came ot on top after a late 4th Q comeback. and the Hall had the starters out by half, up 50.

[BmoreCounty99]

They both also played HDG, Dunbar came ot on top after a late 4th Q comeback. and the Hall had the starters out by half, up 50.

I have been saying that all along. They claim to be a power but struggle against inferior opponents. Struggled against Fort Hill (last second win) Struggled against HDG and struggled last year against Perryville (Perryville? really? with all that talent Dunbar had.)

[JustMyThought]

I have always said that the top 4 teams in the City, Howard, Bmore, Anne arundel and frederick county are on par with the top 4 miaa-a teams

While this is not true, it also not quite as far-fetched as I had thought it was.

Using the top 4 teams in each county/conference over the past 8 seasons, the MIAA-A's average MaxPreps rating is clearly superior.

However, there were two seasons (2008 Howard and 2009 Anne Arundel) in which the MIAA-A was only second best.




2004-2011

36.3 MIAA-A
29.0 Frederick
28.2 Anne Arundel
26.4 Howard
22.2 Baltimore County
21.1 Baltimore City





2011

48.3 MIAA-A
37.2 Howard
34.8 Frederick
29.6 Anne Arundel
25.9 Baltimore City
21.6 Baltimore County


2010

45.1 MIAA-A
36.2 Frederick
35.2 Howard
32.3 Anne Arundel
24.5 Baltimore City
24.4 Baltimore County


2009

39.1 Anne Arundel
36.8 MIAA-A
35.7 Frederick
25.3 Howard
25.2 Baltimore County
17.1 Baltimore City


2008

35.3 Howard
35.0 MIAA-A
29.5 Anne Arundel
27.6 Frederick
23.9 Baltimore County
23.1 Baltimore City


2007

30.6 MIAA-A
25.9 Baltimore County
25.4 Anne Arundel
25.3 Frederick
24.6 Howard
22.2 Baltimore City


2006

29.6 MIAA-A
26.7 Baltimore City
25.8 Anne Arundel
25.7 Frederick
23.8 Howard
18.6 Baltimore County


2005

33.9 MIAA-A
23.4 Anne Arundel
22.7 Frederick
20.4 Howard
16.5 Baltimore County
10.1 Baltimore City


2004

30.8 MIAA-A
24.4 Frederick
21.4 Baltimore County
20.6 Anne Arundel
19.2 Baltimore City
9.1 Howard

[harcohorns]

JMT good research and data as always.. one question if your only using the top 4 in the publics average and all 7 teams in the MIAA A average.. wouldn't it be a better comparison to use the top 7 in the publics instead of 4 or use just the the top 4 in MIAA-A?