Is it fair that dunbar will play chc so early

[85Knight]

While that is a good analysis of Dunbar, I am not sure how that fits into the context of my statements. I was saying Davis pulls his starters earlier than any coach in the league in games CHC usually has in hand. Calvert Hall jumped out big on many teams early last season and took their foot off of the petal way too early. Those early 1st half and halftime leads (14-21 pts) could have become more comfortable leads if they score once or twice more before taking the foot off the pedal and closing up the play book. Instead, they would do the exact opposite of what got them the lead. As a consequence, we saw some exciting, nail biter, 2nd half/4th quarter games that had no business being close. With 15 or so new starters, CHC cannot afford to shut it down when they get a lead of 14+ points this season.

The CHC staff will be put o the test in this game. Dunbar returns 3 times as many starters and a world of talent. The only two school in the state with more talent are Gilman & Good Counsel. Well, ECA has more d1 talent than all of those schools, so they belong in there now as well. Yes, Calvert Hall has a good deal of young talent, many of whom will be new starters.

I don't know what else you want me to say. If I had to put money on a CH Dunbar game in '10 my money would have been on The Hall but I wouldn't give you 40 pts. just based on the HDG game. This year I see it as a toss up. If CH gets up on Dunbar I think they'll struggle to come back but if Dunbar manages to turn this into a slugfest that's decided in the 4th I give them the edge.

[85Knight]

The Old MSA is exatcly what you said: Old. That is when everyone was on equal footing and the City's best players did not go Private. There is NO comparison about then and now. Not even close.

Very good point and we've talked about this over and over. In the past City and Poly did very well against the private schools in the MSA. I don't know if putting everybody in the same league under the same rules would recreate that or not. I do think if you created a 6 team City League just like the MIAA has it would make those 6 teams stronger though.

The public schools would have to step it up to compete on a regular basis though because right now the MIAA conference puts a lot more into it. Whether they could or not I don't have the answer to that but it worked before.

[Big Sky]

You are right. CHC would have probably only beat HdG by 35 or 40 with Washington in at QB. He might have been able to make a big play or 2 on his own in the 1st half, that may or may not have resulted in points. However, it would not have gone much further than that. The 2010 CHC defense was stellar. They held Gilman and Jennings scoreless in the 2nd half of in the epic game under the lights at Russo after Darius broke off 2 long TD runs (1 was aided by a back judge screen/block LOL) in the 1st half. Coach Holshue is one of the best D Coordinators in the state, and he and his staff are known for halftime/in game adjustments. Weren't some people just playing the score differential game with Poly Calvert Hall, Dunbar and Patterson when it benefited Dunbar? Now it's difficult to play the match up game? BTW, I absolutely agree on that point. However, going back and forth sounds like some republican strategist double standard stuff to me. LOL. Also, Calvert Hall has not run up the score in the Davis era. They called off the dogs early in every game they had in hand in 2010, and the Havre de Grace game was no different. Did they take a knee on every play starting in the 2nd quarter? No. However, they did keep it simple and clear the bench.

Why is it that the city league supporters see Dunbar's excuses as plausible, but Calvert Hall losing 30 players from the 2011 team has nothing to do with The poets taking the game? Calvert Hall has much less to gain in this game, this season. However, they took the game. If the roles were reversed, I would be willing to bet Smith and Wade would be opposed to it.

Washington was in at QB the whole game.Come on Man

[85Knight]

Washington was in at QB the whole game.Come on Man

I went to that game and I didn't know who he was but he was terrible and just ran around a lot. I remember a lineman they had that was almost 7 ft. tall and played both ways but moved like a statue. Other than that all I remember was CH doing whatever they wanted. Tremendous rebound for HDG to make it to the championship after that showing.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Why stop there? Let's include City's record against Gilman and Loyola too.

Bring on the old MSA. We're ready.

I know City won some later games against Gilman in the old MSA A but during my four years in high school they didn't beat Gilman. I am pretty sure my freshman year City wasn't even in the A. I think they were B but I can't remember. Poly was the only team that had Gilman's number. Gilman Shared two MSA's titles with Poly and one with McDonogh during my high school years. City won none.

[Big Sky]

Every year there is a new crop of Kids. This game is early and could very well be a coin flip. "Any given Sunday" What ever team wins or loses the goal for both teams should be to get out of it without injuries and to learn more about the new kids. CHC should be thinking how do we get better to compete for a MIAA championship and Dunbar the same for another State Championship. Hats of to both coaches for playing a tough opponent and challenging their players. For the fans and the used to be's, you can't win from the past or on the net. The boys will have to win it on the field. On paper Dunbar should be the favorite. They have a returning QB he is supposed to be One of the top in the State.(D1 recruit) with a load of athletes around him. Playing against a defense that lost 8/9 starters. If he is a (great QB ) it should not be close.

[Big Sky]

I went to that game and I didn't know who he was but he was terrible and just ran around a lot. I remember a lineman they had that was almost 7 ft. tall and played both ways but moved like a statue. Other than that all I remember was CH doing whatever they wanted. Tremendous rebound for HDG to make it to the championship after that showing.

At the Time Guru (Tom Lemming) had him ranked as the top QB in the State.
I do not think that had a first down.

[85Knight]

I know City won some later games against Gilman in the old MSA A but during my four years in high school they didn't beat Gilman. I am pretty sure my freshman year City wasn't even in the A. I think they were B but I can't remember. Poly was the only team that had Gilman's number. Gilman Shared two MSA's titles with Poly and one with McDonogh during my high school years. City won none.

I missed all of your years because I was in WV but I did make it back here to watch City Gilman in '93 and City smacked Gilman around at Gilman. That was was the last year that we played. Unfortunately MSA records are not online anywhere. Trust me, me and The Guru have spent many hours looking for them.

[Big Sky]

I missed all of your years because I was in WV but I did make it back here to watch City Gilman in '93 and City smacked Gilman around at Gilman. That was was the last year that we played. Unfortunately MSA records are not online anywhere. Trust me, me and The Guru have spent many hours looking for them.

Now I know why you like that Banjo Music!!!!!
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[85Knight]

Now I know why you like that Banjo Music!!!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzae_SqbmDE

What can I say? I'm a Mountaineer for life. We had a good time up in dem hills.

[eaglesinsider]

I missed all of your years because I was in WV but I did make it back here to watch City Gilman in '93 and City smacked Gilman around at Gilman. That was was the last year that we played. Unfortunately MSA records are not online anywhere. Trust me, me and The Guru have spent many hours looking for them.

I believe some of the MSA records were stored at McDonogh and lost in a fire (at least I know all of the school wrestling records up to 1960s/70s were).

Next time I get some free time I'll try to get over to see the archivist at McDonogh, I know some of the other schools keep archives too, any surviving MSA records would most likely be located in those archives.

I know the MSA went way back, pre-WWII at least. It would be nice to dig up some of that history and give it its proper place. I'd love to see an MSA records database (maybe hosted off the MIAA site) someday. It's easy to forget about the storied tradition of that league without any records online.

[85Knight]

I believe some of the MSA records were stored at McDonogh and lost in a fire (at least I know all of the school wrestling records up to 1960s/70s were).

Next time I get some free time I'll try to get over to see the archivist at McDonogh, I know some of the other schools keep archives too, any surviving MSA records would most likely be located in those archives.

I know the MSA went way back, pre-WWII at least. It would be nice to dig up some of that history and give it its proper place. I'd love to see an MSA records database (maybe hosted off the MIAA site) someday. It's easy to forget about the storied tradition of that league without any records online.

Good stuff. It's a shame that one of the most storied times in this city's high school sports history is not around to look at. There were some legends and some legendary games that I only hear about from some of the oldtimers but no archives to look at. Some of us on this board are old enough to have played and remember the very end of the MSA though.

[gillytech]

I missed all of your years because I was in WV but I did make it back here to watch City Gilman in '93 and City smacked Gilman around at Gilman. That was was the last year that we played. Unfortunately MSA records are not online anywhere. Trust me, me and The Guru have spent many hours looking for them.

Are you sure that game was in '93 and not '91? City beat Gilman bad at Gilman in '91 and barely beat Gilman in '92 at City, but I thought the MSA disbanded before the '93 season. Based on CHC's records (http://www.calverthallfootball.com/c...ric/scores.asp), CHC and City didn't play in '93, which leads me to believe that the MSA disbanded before the '93 season. That beings said, you may very well be right.

[85Knight]

I went to that game and I didn't know who he was but he was terrible and just ran around a lot. I remember a lineman they had that was almost 7 ft. tall and played both ways but moved like a statue. Other than that all I remember was CH doing whatever they wanted. Tremendous rebound for HDG to make it to the championship after that showing.

I stand corrected. I forgot CH played them twice. The game I went to was in 2009 at HDG. I didn't think that was Washington who was quaterbacking.

[85Knight]

Are you sure that game was in '93 and not '91? City beat Gilman bad at Gilman in '91 and barely beat Gilman in '92 at City, but I thought the MSA disbanded before the '93 season. Based on CHC's records (http://www.calverthallfootball.com/c...ric/scores.asp), CHC and City didn't play in '93, which leads me to believe that the MSA disbanded before the '93 season. That beings said, you may very well be right.

I'm pretty sure I wasn't at the game in 1991. City continued to play some MSA teams until late into the 90's. That being said, I could be wrong but I went to that game whenever it was. This is why we need those records to be archived somewhere. Even the 90's are getting cloudy to me now.

[gillytech]

I totally agree. I'd love to create an archive of the old MSA records. Forget about remembering what happended in the 80s or 90s - I have trouble remembering what happend a month ago.

[agentorange]

What can I say? I'm a Mountaineer for life. We had a good time up in dem hills.

Damn skippy we did...all i know is i was hitting the captain morgan and woke up in a trailer park over looking the Monongahalia river....

[agentorange]

I'm pretty sure I wasn't at the game in 1991. City continued to play some MSA teams until late into the 90's. That being said, I could be wrong but I went to that game whenever it was. This is why we need those records to be archived somewhere. Even the 90's are getting cloudy to me now.

Bcc went MSA A Conference in 88...winning the title outright in 20-7 win over a undefeated Poly team..30,000 fans at Memorial stadium...first time i ever saw people in the upper deck at the City Poly game....Bcc went on to win the title 3 more times before going mppssa in 93.... thats 4 titles in 6 years of msa a membership

[harcohorns]

Damn skippy we did...all i know is i was hitting the captain morgan and woke up in a trailer park over looking the Monongahalia river....

thats livin right there! god, country ,family, team... in that order

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Bcc went MSA A Conference in 88...winning the title outright in 20-7 win over a undefeated Poly team..30,000 fans at Memorial stadium...first time i ever saw people in the upper deck at the City Poly game....Bcc went on to win the title 3 more times before going mppssa in 93.... thats 4 titles in 6 years of msa a membership

BCC did beat Poly in 87' behind the great Chris Smith(he graduated in 88') but THEY WERE in the B conference. City in 88' were led by Eric Brown and was their first year back in the A conference. If they beat Poly in 88' they definitely weren't outright champs. They would have shared it with Poly but I was pretty sure Poly still won that Championship because City wasn't undefeated. There was no head to head tie breaker back then.