Angelos is about to bleed money

[kudzu]

On or about June 1, 2012, MLB's arbitration panel will rule on the Washington Nationals claim to more money from MASN.

They are sure to get a big raise for their tv rights. And it might be a Massive raise.

And Angelos, contractually, must give the Baltimore Orioles the same raise.

When it happens, will there be any Angelos supporters left here ? I mean, he selfishly sat on a pile of cash, while that cash could have been put into making the O's a better team.

[prairieaug]

On or about June 1, 2012, MLB's arbitration panel will rule on the Washington Nationals claim to more money from MASN.

They are sure to get a big raise for their tv rights. And it might be a Massive raise.

And Angelos, contractually, must give the Baltimore Orioles the same raise.

When it happens, will there be any Angelos supporters left here ? I mean, he selfishly sat on a pile of cash, while that cash could have been put into making the O's a better team.

I didn't think there were any Angelos supporters?

[kudzu]

I didn't think there were any Angelos supporters?

Besides the obvious "an owner makes no difference" trolls:

Attendance at the Yard (putting money into Pete's pocket) is still over 20k on average this year.

[AntiMoon]

Moonbeam will find a way to spin it for Angelos. Estimates continue to say that MASN generates 150 mil a year and after the cost of running it and Wash's share Petey clears 100 mil. And that's been every year since, what 2005? I suspect once the ruling comes down the Orioles for sale rumors with MASN as a part of it will start up.

[Mr. Buzzcut]

Moonbeam will find a way to spin it for Angelos. Estimates continue to say that MASN generates 150 mil a year and after the cost of running it and Wash's share Petey clears 100 mil. And that's been every year since, what 2005? I suspect once the ruling comes down the Orioles for sale rumors with MASN as a part of it will start up.

That would be great!

[AntiMoon]

I said the rumors. Who knows if he'll ever sell?

[kudzu]

Moonbeam will find a way to spin it for Angelos.

Which is why I denoted "Besides the obvious "an owner makes no difference" trolls"

Nothing can be done about those idiots. They're a lost cause. But...

Estimates continue to say that MASN generates 150 mil a year and after the cost of running it and Wash's share Petey clears 100 mil. And that's been every year since, what 2005? I suspect once the ruling comes down the Orioles for sale rumors with MASN as a part of it will start up.

As I said before, there are those who still support the AngelO's currently. And they are feeding the very monstrosity that they claim to be against.

btw - the Rotersiserie Twins will run the team if and when Prince Vigo ever dies.

[Mr. Buzzcut]

I said the rumors. Who knows if he'll ever sell?

It gives something to believe in, a vain glimmer of hope!

[can you hear me now!]

he won't lose if the wOes rights go up...he'll be moving money from one pocket to another...as for the 'nats-- he'll lose about 88% since the nats own 12% of MASN....that 88% is going to leave a mark, especially if the increase comes in around $75 million more than he pays now....

if he decides to sell, he'll sell the team and keep the TV until the new owners take their ball and give it to comcast...then he'll sell the other...

[kudzu]

he won't lose if the wOes rights go up...he'll be moving money from one pocket to another...as for the 'nats-- he'll lose about 88% since the nats own 12% of MASN....that 88% is going to leave a mark, especially if the increase comes in around $75 million more than he pays now....

if he decides to sell, he'll sell the team and keep the TV until the new owners take their ball and give it to comcast...then he'll sell the other...

It's not about MASN ownership stake at this point, it's about how much he pays each team in annual rights fees. MASN ownership % has already been decided.

And you're right about the rights fees he pays to the O's. One pocket to another.

But the rights fees he pays the Nats, on the other hand...

[can you hear me now!]

It's not about MASN ownership stake at this point, it's about how much he pays each team in annual rights fees. MASN ownership % has already been decided.

And you're right about the rights fees he pays to the O's. One pocket to another.

But the rights fees he pays the Nats, on the other hand...

the fees to the 'nats are going to hurt angelos in the long, but not as much as the attention the 'nats are going to get over the next decade....the nat's are going to be the big brother in this relationship for quite sometime as they become a consistent contender...

[kudzu]

the fees to the 'nats are going to hurt angelos in the long, but not as much as the attention the 'nats are going to get over the next decade....the nat's are going to be the big brother in this relationship for quite sometime as they become a consistent contender...

Sure, IF the Nats become a consistent contender (and the O's continue their losing ways) that would be an extreme embarassment for Angelos.

But he doesn't care about that.

But he'll have some 'splaining to do to O's fans when they finally realize that he's had an extra $50-100 mill that he could have been pumping into the O's for the last 5+ years...

[can you hear me now!]

most real fans realize all his promises about anything related to this club are pure bs....many fans are doing the same thing I am doing-- waiting for a change in ownership while not putting money in angelo$er's pocket by going to the stadium....what angelos has done is exactly what I've been saying since 2009-- he's used the masn money to replace the lost revenue due to decreased attendance..if he has to fork over 70+ million more for the 'nats tv rights, he'll then have to decide if he is going to become carl pohlad junior....

[Far from home]

I don't know why he would sell just because he's making less money. If he's still making a lot of money, it would be worth it to keep the team...

[can you hear me now!]

I don't know why he would sell just because he's making less money. If he's still making a lot of money, it would be worth it to keep the team...

depends on what consider a lot....if he is going to have to fork over 80% (about 75 million) of his MASN profits to the 'nats he's going to want to make up that money somewhere....75 million isn't chump change, especially one who puts the bottom line first.....

[Ravens2006]

So if he's sort of going to be forced in to spending more money on the actual baseball franchise soon... could that explain their sudden and somewhat surprising decision to give Adam Jones remotely "big" money?

Wait until after the decision, and folks could claim that there's nothing special about the expenditure... they're just doing what they're virtually REQUIRED to do at that point.

Close the deal before the decision, and it's touted as a "new day", or a "turning point" for the organization.

Time will tell...

[Ravens2006]

Sure, IF the Nats become a consistent contender (and the O's continue their losing ways) that would be an extreme embarassment for Angelos.

But he doesn't care about that.

But he'll have some 'splaining to do to O's fans when they finally realize that he's had an extra $50-100 mill that he could have been pumping into the O's for the last 5+ years...

Not sure how many O's fans DON'T ALREADY REALIZE that they haven't been spending anywhere near as much (on the actual team) as they could have been for years now...

[Ravens2006]

the fees to the 'nats are going to hurt angelos in the long, but not as much as the attention the 'nats are going to get over the next decade....the nat's are going to be the big brother in this relationship for quite sometime as they become a consistent contender...

The success of the Nationals can only be good for the Orioles... if you assume that they actually invest the increased RSN profits in to the Orioles franchise. At their lowest point, they control 67% of the network. MASN's home market covers a top 5 mega-metropolitan area in the country (DC / Baltimore / NoVA)... and one that is also home to one of the highest average incomes in the nation as well. Never mind the satellite coverage.

The amount of advertising / marketing revenue they could tap in to should one of these franchises become "must see TV" in this area is astounding. It's every bit as potentially lucrative as NESN is for the Red Sox (who also share their RSN with the Bruins). The days of forgiving the Orioles failures because of some mythical revenue disparity are over, and have been for some time. The onus is on them to take advantage of the nearly bottomless pit of money within their grasp.

[can you hear me now!]

The success of the Nationals can only be good for the Orioles... if you assume that they actually invest the increased RSN profits in to the Orioles franchise. At their lowest point, they control 67% of the network. MASN's home market covers a top 5 mega-metropolitan area in the country (DC / Baltimore / NoVA)... and one that is also home to one of the highest average incomes in the nation as well. Never mind the satellite coverage.

The amount of advertising / marketing revenue they could tap in to should one of these franchises become "must see TV" in this area is astounding. It's every bit as potentially lucrative as NESN is for the Red Sox (who also share their RSN with the Bruins). The days of forgiving the Orioles failures because of some mythical revenue disparity are over, and have been for some time. The onus is on them to take advantage of the nearly bottomless pit of money within their grasp.

you are making an assumption that the 'nats TV rights will always be owned by MASN....see if I'm the 'nats owner I am counting the days until slobberin' bud retires and I sue MLB for forcing the 'nats into a bad deal....once freed from that onerous deal I am free to negotiate with network and get the best deal for my team...if I'm really smart I get a deal that pays me more than MASN does while retaining my eventual 1/3 (which is still 20 years away)....hell I'd even give up my 1/3 to be free of an unfair deal....

[CharmCityCrab]

On or about June 1, 2012, MLB's arbitration panel will rule on the Washington Nationals claim to more money from MASN.

They are sure to get a big raise for their tv rights. And it might be a Massive raise.

Here's my question: Why do the Nationals feel entitled to a massive rise in TV rights fees simply because they're in the same big market they've also been in? The actual ratings for their games are fairly low, aren't they?

I remember reading a few years ago that they actually had fewer viewers in Washington than the Orioles had viewers in Washington. That's probably a changed over the last couple years, but when the Orioles and Nationals have joint telecasts and have people vote for player of the game on their cell phones, the Orioles player always wins massively. My guess would still be that for the MASN viewship area over all, the Orioles have more people watching.

Sure, in theory the Nationals television rights could be worth a lot more than the Orioles' television rights based purely on market size, but in reality it seems like the Orioles' rights are actually worth more, because they have more actual people who watch their games.

Also, what's the justification for changing the original contract? Aren't the Nationals contractually obligated to terms agreed to with Angelos way back when?

Anyhow, I don't care that much, because Angelos won't spend money on the Orioles regardless. Yeah, re-signing Adam Jones was nice, but let's not forget it was like 10-15 years ago now that A-Rod got $240 mil. The Orioles still don't spend with the big boys, despite their big boy revenue.

I'm sort at the point where I'd kind of like to see Angelos have to pay the Nationals through the nose. Not because I want to see the Nationals have more money, or I think it's fair, just because I feel like Angelos has pinched pennies at the Orioles' expense, and at the expense of Orioles fans, for years, in order to unjustly enrich himself further, and I'd like to see him have to spend something on nothing out of pure spite. I mean, I don't want to see any harm come to him or him not be able to afford to keep the electricity on in his house or anything extreme like that, but if something happened that made him slightly less rich, well, that would be kind of cool.