Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case

[CIB]

Yep, Zimmerman's life has been nothing but candy and roses up to that point. I mean that teenager screaming for his life totally sounded like Zimmerman defending himself. Ignorance is bliss.

In fact, the FBI themselves said in the evidence the prosecution turned over to the defense that it was impossible to definitively establish who was screaming.

Tracy Martin initially said it wasn't his son.
Zimmerman's dad said it was his son.
Martin's mom -who has mostly been out of his life -claimed it was her son, but she doesn't strike me as particularly credible. Dad lived with Tray and would have noted any changes in his voice better than neglectful mommy.
The 711 tape has Trayvon's voice on it. He had a VERY DEEP voice.
We have all the cops audio and video interviews with Zimmerman. He consistently sounds soft and almost 'girlish'.

I have little doubt it was Zimmerman screaming.

[Baltimatt]

Martin's mom -who has mostly been out of his life -claimed it was her son, but she doesn't strike me as particularly credible. Dad lived with Tray and would have noted any changes in his voice better than neglectful mommy.

What are you talking about? Trayvon lived with his mother and spent time with his dad. He was staying with dad and the latter's fiancée while he was on suspension from school.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17682245

His parents divorced in 1999, and Martin lived with his mother. He had previously played youth football.

Where do you get this "neglectful mommy" stuff?

[Grindelwald]

In fact, the FBI themselves said in the evidence the prosecution turned over to the defense that it was impossible to definitively establish who was screaming.

Tracy Martin initially said it wasn't his son.

Initially? So he changed mind?

Zimmerman's dad said it was his son.

Well of course, he doesn't want to see son get the juice.

Martin's mom -who has mostly been out of his life -claimed it was her son, but she doesn't strike me as particularly credible.

Oh I see. The dad of a someone who has been in trouble his whole life is credible but not the mom of a teenager. Nothing screwy there.

I have little doubt it was Zimmerman screaming.

I have little doubt you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[CIB]

What are you talking about? Trayvon lived with his mother and spent time with his dad. He was staying with dad and the latter's fiancée while he was on suspension from school.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17682245



Where do you get this "neglectful mommy" stuff?

Trayvon Martin lived with his dad, who resides in the Miami area, and had visited his dad's girlfriend at the Retreat several times before. The kids in the neighborhood always looked forward to playing football with him. But to George Zimmerman, he was a stranger.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...cle1221799.ece

[CIB]

"According to police reports, after listening to audio recordings of the 9-1-1 calls, Martin's father, Tracy Martin, told police investigators that it was not Trayvon Martin's voice yelling for help.[192] Martin has since told reporters he was uncertain at that time, but that when he heard an enhanced recording on March 16 he was convinced it was his son yelling for help. Investigators interviewed Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, who reviewed the 9-1-1 calls to police and identified the voice crying for help as her son.[209] Investigators also interviewed Martin's cousin who stated that without a doubt "on a stack of bibles" it was Martin yelling for help on the 9-1-1 tape.[219][220]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon...Trayvon_Martin

So yeah, dad changed his story.
That was mentioned in the recent news articles I linked to a few days ago.

[Baltimatt]

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Every other report I've seen says he lived with his mother. You still don't tell me where you found that his mother was "neglectful".

[Baltimatt]

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Every other report I've seen says he lived with his mother. You still don't tell me where you found that his mother was "neglectful".

[musicmd]

"According to police reports, after listening to audio recordings of the 9-1-1 calls, Martin's father, Tracy Martin, told police investigators that it was not Trayvon Martin's voice yelling for help.[192] Martin has since told reporters he was uncertain at that time, but that when he heard an enhanced recording on March 16 he was convinced it was his son yelling for help. Investigators interviewed Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, who reviewed the 9-1-1 calls to police and identified the voice crying for help as her son.[209] Investigators also interviewed Martin's cousin who stated that without a doubt "on a stack of bibles" it was Martin yelling for help on the 9-1-1 tape.[219][220]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon...Trayvon_Martin

So yeah, dad changed his story.
That was mentioned in the recent news articles I linked to a few days ago.

Still lying or just making up stuff. Trayvon lived with his mother, and he went to school in Miami, try keeping up. Please explain how his mother neglected him. This should be good. So, his dad change his story. Should you do some research, your story will change too.

Your source is "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon_Martin#Trayvon_Martin[/url]" LOL LOL

[musicmd]

It's so much fun to lynch first, and ask questions later!

Meanwhile, think of poor Zimmerman. He's voted for Democrats all his life. Try as they might with maybe one or two exceptions (and one was not black but Arab) the haters can't find anyone of any color who felt he acted prejudiced toward them. He was involved in a case involving an innocent black homeless dude who was beaten by a cop's son - this didn't make him universally popular with the local cops. He'd called 311 on people of various races over the years, and even though his prior 4 or 5 calls had all been young black males - due to an influx of crime by that demographic over the past year - none of them had resulted in any injuries or deaths. And there's certainly no evidence he ever tried to hunt them or arrest them himself.

This case ended in violence. But except for that one bullet , it was a pretty one-sided beatdown.

And suddenly George Zimmerman is appointed NeoNazi head of the KKK apparently for defending himself.

You'd think these idiots would go after Angela Corey who seems to be an example of a corrupt prosecutor and has almost certainly jailed a few dozen innocent people of color. But no, all the political pressure was brought for two purposes:
A. Because of alleged past racism by the Sanford Police Department. Thus, even though Bill Lee had only been there less than a year and was brought in (with a good prior reputation) to fix the department, his department was considered Klan Central because they didn't think they had enough evidence to charge. So a good Police Chief was fired.
B. To get Zimmerman - an honorary white guy for some reason - jailed. It was important that Zimmerman represent all those white Citizen Neighborhood Patrol people who shoot innocent young black kids on a daily basis*sarcasm*.

Anyway the legitimate (get the FBI involved to make sure the investigation was on the up and up) and illegitimate (jail Zimmerman in violation of the law and let the freaking Governor intervene to take the case and give it to a corrupt political prosecutor) demands of the Trayvonites were met; and so they'll be no political will to get Corey after this is over with and done.

When I sacrifice a black person's rights due to racism or whatever I help sacrifice my own. Same with the Trayvonites and Zimmerman. These people are IDIOTS.

You are not far behind. Still waiting to hear how his mother was neglectful

[Baltimatt]

"According to police reports, after listening to audio recordings of the 9-1-1 calls, Martin's father, Tracy Martin, told police investigators that it was not Trayvon Martin's voice yelling for help.[192] Martin has since told reporters he was uncertain at that time, but that when he heard an enhanced recording on March 16 he was convinced it was his son yelling for help. Investigators interviewed Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, who reviewed the 9-1-1 calls to police and identified the voice crying for help as her son.[209] Investigators also interviewed Martin's cousin who stated that without a doubt "on a stack of bibles" it was Martin yelling for help on the 9-1-1 tape.[219][220]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trayvon...Trayvon_Martin

So yeah, dad changed his story.
That was mentioned in the recent news articles I linked to a few days ago.

Your Wikipedia entry, which you deem appropriate for bolstering your point, says he lived with his mother.

[Jeebus]

Still lying or just making up stuff.

Pot, meet kettle.

From the poster who thinks all the photographic evidence of Zimmerman's injuries are faked or photoshopped.

Or to put it as you would understand - LOL LOL LOL LOL.

[CIB]

Your Wikipedia entry, which you deem appropriate for bolstering your point, says he lived with his mother.

At least Wikipedia links to and quotes sources, which is something that many here do not do. Some of the sources, as I've proven to you with my link (which was to a Tampa and thus, almost local paper) conflict with some of yours.

Here's more: http://diwataman.wordpress.com/2012/...anmartin-case/

Item number eleven is relevant to this discussion, though I recommend the whole article to anyone concerned about this case. There's also a link here:
http://snntoday.snn.pcsb.org/index.p...1063&Itemid=56
to an interview with the stepmother who apparently played a large part- probably the largest- in Trayvons life.

[Daan]

New Photo Of George Zimmerman From The Night Of [Saint] Martin's Death

The graphic photo, taken by police the night of Zimmerman and Martin's fatal encounter, was previously released as a blurry black-and-white image.



http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/new-pho...he-night-of-tr

From the official autopsy report for Trayvon Martin:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/im....pdf?hpt=hp_t2

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The body is that of a normally developed, black male appearing the stated age of 17 years with a body length of 71 [5'11"] inches and a body weight of 158 pounds. The body presents a medium build with average nutrition, normal hydration and good preservation.
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Other injuries: There is a ¼ x 1/8 small abrasion on the left fourth finger.

EVIDENCE OF RECENT MEDICAL TREATMENT
There is a cardiac monitor pad on the left flank

[...]

End Quote

Other than the gun shot wound, the small abrasion on the kid's ring finger is the only other injury mentioned. There is no mention of blood on the kid's hand(s).

Since George claims the kid was covering his mouth with his hand, there should be blood on the kid's hand from George's bloodied nose:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/new-pho...e-night-of-tr#

As stated by the officers who interviewed George, his story has "holes" in it.

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[Baltimatt]

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I knew (and posted) that Tracy Martin had married and split up with someone else after he divorced Trayvon's mother, but I didn't realize how convoluted his relationships were. Actually, he had a new "fiancée" before he was even divorced!

And how many children does he have???

[CIB]

From the official autopsy report for Trayvon Martin:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/im....pdf?hpt=hp_t2

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The body is that of a normally developed, black male appearing the stated age of 17 years with a body length of 71 [5'11"] inches and a body weight of 158 pounds. The body presents a medium build with average nutrition, normal hydration and good preservation.
[...]

Other injuries: There is a ¼ x 1/8 small abrasion on the left fourth finger.

EVIDENCE OF RECENT MEDICAL TREATMENT
There is a cardiac monitor pad on the left flank

[...]

End Quote

Other than the gun shot wound, the small abrasion on the kid's ring finger is the only other injury mentioned. There is no mention of blood on the kid's hand(s).

Since George claims the kid was covering his mouth with his hand, there should be blood on the kid's hand from George's bloodied nose:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/new-pho...e-night-of-tr#

As stated by the officers who interviewed George, his story has "holes" in it.

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1. There is actually blood on Trayvon's fingernails.

http://forensicdnaconsulting.wordpre...immerman-case/

2. Trayvon died from a single shot to the heart with a massive loss of blood. It seems he died within ten minutes tops, if not sooner. Swelling is dependent on local blood flow and Tray clearly lost alot of blood pressure very quickly. Thus the fact there was no visible swelling of his knuckles (even if you ignore that martial arts practitioners and even regular street brawlers often have toughened knuckles) doesn't necessarily mean anything.
3. It was raining that night and the ground was wet. It's possible some blood washed off his hands prior to the cops ever getting there.

[CIB]

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I knew (and posted) that Tracy Martin had married and split up with someone else after he divorced Trayvon's mother, but I didn't realize how convoluted his relationships were. Actually, he had a new "fiancée" before he was even divorced!

And how many children does he have???

I'm not sure of any of those details as to how many kids. I don't think anyone knows.
But be fair, Sybrina doesn't come off looking very stable either. She had children by at least 2 different men herself.
It seems Trayvon was constantly being shuttled back and forth between mommy, daddy, stepmom, and daddy's new girlfriend , but if her testimony is believed (notice how the Trayvon crew doesn't talk about stepmom very much) Alicia was probably more in his life than his birth mother.

[Daan]

1. There is actually blood on Trayvon's fingernails.

http://forensicdnaconsulting.wordpre...immerman-case/

2. Trayvon died from a single shot to the heart with a massive loss of blood. It seems he died within ten minutes tops, if not sooner. Swelling is dependent on local blood flow and Tray clearly lost alot of blood pressure very quickly. Thus the fact there was no visible swelling of his knuckles (even if you ignore that martial arts practitioners and even regular street brawlers often have toughened knuckles) doesn't necessarily mean anything.
3. It was raining that night and the ground was wet. It's possible some blood washed off his hands prior to the cops ever getting there.

Do you refer to this?
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Exhibit ME-2: Fingernail scrapings represented as being from Trayvon Benjamin Martin

“gave chemical indications for the presence of blood”

Right hand: “No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin (ME-3) were found on Exhibit ME-2A”

Left hand: “No DNA results were obtained from Exhibit ME-2B”

End Quote


The kid's hand over George's mouth would reasonably have gotten George's blood on it from George's bloodied nose.

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Right hand: “No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin (ME-3) were found on Exhibit ME-2A”

Left hand: “No DNA results were obtained from Exhibit ME-2B”

End Quote


No DNA belonging to George Zimmerman was found on the kid's hands.

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[CIB]

Do you refer to this?
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Exhibit ME-2: Fingernail scrapings represented as being from Trayvon Benjamin Martin

“gave chemical indications for the presence of blood”

Right hand: “No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin (ME-3) were found on Exhibit ME-2A”

Left hand: “No DNA results were obtained from Exhibit ME-2B”

End Quote


The kid's hand over George's mouth would reasonably have gotten George's blood on it from George's bloodied nose.

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Right hand: “No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin (ME-3) were found on Exhibit ME-2A”

Left hand: “No DNA results were obtained from Exhibit ME-2B”

End Quote


No DNA belonging to George Zimmerman was found on the kid's hands.

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Well, yes, but also IF blood washed off his hands due to grasswater or even rain water (I forget if it was drizzling during the time of the altercation) then fingernails would serve to shield some of it. At this point, all speculation.

[Daan]

Well, yes, but also IF blood washed off his hands due to grasswater or even rain water (I forget if it was drizzling during the time of the altercation) then fingernails would serve to shield some of it. At this point, all speculation.

True, speculation on your part.

The autopsy report and the lack of George Zimmerman's DNA on the kid's hands is not speculation.

George Zimmerman has proven to be a liar and his lack of credibility will figure into what a jury will believe that is not supported by physical evidence.

The kid is dead and all we have is George Zimmerman's story which has "holes" in it as the officers who interviewed Zimmerman had stated.

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[CIB]

True, speculation on your part.

The autopsy report and the lack of George Zimmerman's DNA on the kid's hands is not speculation.

George Zimmerman has proven to be a liar and his lack of credibility will figure into what a jury will believe that is not supported by physical evidence.

The kid is dead and all we have is George Zimmerman's story which has "holes" in it as the officers who interviewed Zimmerman had stated.

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If you want to reiterate that silliness, it is your right.
But before the trial they'll have to get through a "Stand Your Ground" hearing. Even though there is more onus on Zimmerman to prove he acted in self defense at that hearing than at a trial I hardly think a win will be a "slam dunk" for the state.
What I am 100 percent convinced on is if this gets to trial there will be no conviction of Zimmerman of murder in the second degree and probably not even manslaughter. He's the guy with the injuries after all, and most of the initial witness testimony backs him up. The states only witness is "DeeDee" (the one Crump was caught repeatedly lying about saying she is 16 when it turns out she's 18) who herself never states that George attacked first or initiated contact. Then you've got the almost unprecedented picture of a bunch of cops of mixed races testifying for the defense.