Actually God is more than just the Universe. God is all Consciousness. That's what I was explaining earlier in this thread. The Genesis account is not a scientific account of the creation of the universe. It's a poetic account of an individual's consciousness. Adam is not the first man. He's every man. Consciouness begins with the recognition and difference between light and dark. It evolves to consciousness of fellow creatures who have the same value as you and who are a part of you (created from your rib). Eden is your inner being.
I think this concept of God is very useful. Being that God is All, that makes each of us a part of God. It's meant to teach you that you are part of everything and everything is a part of you, which is meant to endow you with a respect for all around you. It's meant to show you that you "create" your idea of the world through what you do with your consciousness. It's your responsibility. It's your power. You can blame no one else. You can go blaming others, as Adam did Eve. You can't go blaming some dumb creature, as Eve did the serpent. And you can't ever hide from your Consciousness.
Are you aware of how much effort Catholic Relief Services puts into de-legitimizing Israel??
Why does the Vatican harbor such hatred of Jewish sovereignty??
Why are the same forum members that make references to this history constantly rationalizing the same or worse from Islamic leaders?
You may not share its zeal in these areas. I just don't know how anyone can observe any religion where the *most* pious do these things and have supported these policies.
Among Jews, it's the absolute worst and least pious that do these things. And these are the Jews that are glorified by the world at large.
I'll add that the latent and submerged neo-naziism that I see in my Pakistani Muslim co-worker does not exist in the average American Roman Catholic (who is mostly ignorant of this history). I think that the typical RC is fine with Jewish sovereignty, unlike many Muslims.
Nobody is suggesting you shouldn't be proud of your daughter's work. You should be proud. But it's pretty clear you are unable to separate out what your daughter is doing, from the institution known as the Catholic Church. All churches are run by men, and men are prone to making mistakes. Although in these cases, the men should have been above moral and ethical reproach, and the mistakes they made were monumental in magnitude.
All churches are made up of imperfect people. I won't attempt to defend what she is doing in Kenya with you or anyone else simply because she is there with a Catholic group.
When you have met me in person and lived my life then you can tell what I am capable of doing and not doing.
My children are my legacy.
is therefore irrelevant discussion of the unknowable is futile, and useless
the truly unknowable ( we cannot experience, perceive, or understand) -- for all practical purposes does not exist
Again, nobody is asking you to "defend" anything. Nobody is asking you not to be proud of your daughter and what she is doing. You are reading these posts, aren't you? I don't intend to repeat myself, again.
The question asked of you, by jrob, is very simple - What, if anything, would the Catholic Church have to do to be "discredited" in your eyes.
Very simple question, that does not ask for a defense.
It's pretty clear you had no idea about the Church's involvment (either directly, or indirectly) in the extermination of millions of Jews. So, I guess if this doesn't do it for you, or the decades long pedephilia scandal amongs Catholic priests from around the globe...then I guess you've indirectly answered the question.
Your Answer: Nothing.
My Response: That's Sad
Increasingly, the new reality for the catholic Church: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/0...eys/?hpt=hp_c1
I can't please everyone.
My children are my legacy.
Next you should watch the videos of a true atheist, Pat Condell. It's not possible to be an atheist and be an antizionist, since all antizionist positions call for the replacement of Judaism with Islam, not atheism.
And finally, a local rabbi can help you come home to Zion.
I am not Jewish, although many of my best friends are. If anything, I align myself with the teachings of Buddhism. As a scientist, I find Buddhism more in line with my belief in nature and the inner self.
I simply wish to keep an open mind on all issues.
I would welcome a link to the video your refer to.
Sometimes I wish bootsy was still here, for the rare times she was lucid, she made some good points on these topics, particularly with regard to the exact reasons why Hitler despised Judaism (essentially because it's about improving this world, not an afterlife. Imperialists can get others to do *anything* if they can promise them glories in an afterlife).
I will admit that in some local areas where Catholic Church Leaders are not as influential some Catholic Workers (According to Doctors Without Boarders) are distributing Condoms and giving safe sex education to the local population because they understand how wrong it is not to do so, but it is in defiance of the Catholic Bishops and confusing for the people they are trying to help while also trying to recruit them into the Catholic Church. Plus the practice of doing so is the exception rather than the rule.
Again this is just another example of where religious dogma is doing immense harm rather than good. Teach abstinence by all means but at least teach people how to protect themselves should abstinence not be an option for them.
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