Belief In God Plummets Among Youth

[Smokey 1]

Every attempt to force society to conform to a particular moral view is just that, an attempt to force one's beliefs on another, regardless of where their moral grounding comes from.

And that is wrong. But some want to put that on all believers so they can justify their hate. Of course they don't want to see that they are trying to make everyone conform to their beliefs.

[bmore_ken]

Apparently you do. Maybe you are just hateful because you have go farther to get a beer on Sundays.




All believers do that?


I am a believer and I am a scientist who believes evolution is the way life formed here. I suppose that just won't compute in your stereotypical view of people.

How is it possible to believe in the creation and evolution?

[Smokey 1]

How is it possible to believe in the creation and evolution?

Who said I believed in Creationism?

[CajunRaven]

How is it possible to believe in the creation and evolution?

A Higher Being put the elements in place that started the evolution. The original beings were created in such a way that they would evolve as time went on.

Kinda like how the universe started. We don't know what caused the big bang, but we have some understanding of what happened after it.

[bmore_ken]

Who said I believed in Creationism?

All the "believers" I know believe in Creation

[CajunRaven]

And that is wrong. But some want to put that on all believers so they can justify their hate. Of course they don't want to see that they are trying to make everyone conform to their beliefs.

That's the crux of the whole thing. Everyone has some set of moral beliefs, it's just a question of what they are based on. And everyone has beliefs about how society should be constructed.

Yet some folks here who complain about people of faith imposing their views on others have no trouble doing so themselves.

Take the whole NYC soft drink debate. Those who believe in big government dictating personal behavior on everyone else are just as guilty of imposing their morality on folks as anyone else.

[CajunRaven]

All the "believers" I know believe in Creation

Literal 6 day creation?

[Smokey 1]

All the "believers" I know believe in Creation

Since all the ones you know believe in Creationism then all do?

Amazing.

You want to tell me what else I believe?

[bmore_ken]

Since all the ones you know believe in Creationism then all do?

Amazing.

You want to tell me what else I believe?

I was just asking a question. Who pissed in your corn flakes?

[bmore_ken]

Literal 6 day creation?

Yeah the whole "let their be light" thing and Eve created from Adam's rib.

[Smokey 1]

I was just asking a question. Who pissed in your corn flakes?

Sorry Ken I was just annoyed that you appeared to be stereotyping.

[Smokey 1]

Yeah the whole "let their be light" thing and Eve created from Adam's rib.

I see that and much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, as being figurative. After all it was written by man at a time when they couldn't possibly understand the things we do now.

[CajunRaven]

Yeah the whole "let their be light" thing and Eve created from Adam's rib.

Most I know believe there is no time constraint on God. The bible says a day is a thousand years to God and a thousand years is a day. The texts were written in a way for the people fo the day to comprehend.

Let there be light could simply be part of what happened as part of the big bang chain reaction, but was written in terms for the day and the people who lived then.

[bmore_ken]

Sorry Ken I was just annoyed that you appeared to be stereotyping.

I wasn't sterotyping. Every person I know who believes, believes in the creation, so that was the reason for my question

[The Astute Reader(tm)]

because as Jesse Ventura rightly stated Religion is for the weak minded

You're going to stake an argument on a quote from Jesse Ventura?!?!?!

[Smokey 1]

I wasn't sterotyping. Every person I know who believes, believes in the creation, so that was the reason for my question

I guess you only know fundalmentalists. They certainly don't represent all believers. I rarely agree with them on much of anything.

[ms maggie]

Maggie, please look at the post I was responding to. The poster stated that only rational societies are secular. I was simply pointing out they can be just as irrational and that people are the real issue.

I happen to agree that the government should be secular, i.e. they should not endorse any specific religion as our founders believed. I also believe they should not be allowed to interfere with anyone's practice of their faith.

Sorry Cajun, I misinterpreted I guess.

[slapshot]

Here is a question that I have never heard a satisfactory answer to:

If we are to believe that God created everything, including man, and that the Bible is a reflection of his teachings...then why is there no discernable reference to most of mankind that existed back when Jesus roamed the ME? Why is there no reference to the rest of "God's children" in China, India, or Africa, for example?

Since everything that's written in the Bible is centered on people and events in just the ME....I find it irreconsilable that God, through his prophets and disciples, would leave out most of humanity. Further, if God is ubiquitous, why is there no similar/parallel evolution, of the teachings of God, in the rest of the world?

[CajunRaven]

Sorry Cajun, I misinterpreted I guess.

No problem Maggie.

[Smokey 1]

Here is a question that I have never heard a satisfactory answer to:

If we are to believe that God created everything, including man, and that the Bible is a reflection of his teachings...then why is there no discernable reference to most of mankind that existed back when Jesus roamed the ME? Why is there no reference to the rest of "God's children" in China, India, or Africa, for example?

My opinion is that the Bible was written by men and those men had limited knowlege of the rest of the world.

Since everything that's written in the Bible is centered on people and events in just the ME....I find it irreconsilable that God, through his prophets and disciples, would leave out most of humanity. Further, if God is ubiquitous, why is there no similar/parallel evolution, of the teachings of God, in the rest of the world?

Actually many different religions have similar beliefs in a higher power or supreme being.