Whatever happened to the good Old days when....

[agentorange]

1. Dunbar hosted a basketball game almost every friday Night and everybody to include their drunk uncle Butchy was there. Anyone who was fortunate enough to have been part of the experience can tell you the place had a Roman Coloseum like aura about it where the Poets were the Beastly Lions and whatever team that had the misfortune of wondering out of the visitors locker room was the sacrificial Lamb. The Poets never failed to deliver the blood and gore while almost always tearing opponents to complete shreads. (Meth is blushing) It did not matter what school you attended or where you were from, Dunbar on friday nights was the place to be...and so were the girls.

2. The old MSA-A was a super megladon conference made up of Most of the current Miaa-a schools (save Spalding) to include Bcc, Poly and Dunbar. Nothing but dog fights all the way up to Thanksgiving day at Memorial stadium. Will never forget the year, Bcc tussled with CHC in the tunnel as the Mcards had just crushed The Blakefeilds and Bcc was headed out to face Poly......aaaahhhhhh...those were the days.

3. St. Joes actually recieved the recognition they deserved for winning countless wrestling titles. They still win on a high level and face tougher competition these days but simply don't get the attention they deserve. What gives.

4. The entire west end of the Baltimore metro area had football behemoths in Northwestern, Poly, Gilman, Mcdonogh and Randallstowns. Wether it was a conference, state or county/City league title, you had to go through one of these schools to get it. Anyone recall the name "Andre Creamer".

5. The MSA-B Conference basketball championship was a totally hyped 3 game series to include a home and home with a neutral site rubber match at JHU (if required) if they still do it, then pardon me but yet, the City league and Miaa-a should consider a championship series because simply put, it would be great for the game. Baltimore High school basketball features the highest and toughest level of competition in the entire nation. Why not install a 3 game series to determine the champion. It would be great for the game and the kids and communities would love it....WADE AND COMPANY...I'm just saying.


Ok girls....AO is out of here and I'll see you guys in Mid August as I'll see many of you at the scrimmages. Until then, if you need to get a hold of me, pm here on the board or email me at AgentorangeBcc@yahoo.com.

[harcohorns]

AO.. Creamers son Neiko plays WR for ECA and Andre was our DC last season while between college gigs.. Prior he was DC for Howard U and Del State before that.. He is a great coach my son learned a ton from him.. Great guy to hang with as well..

[Outside Looking In]

1. Dunbar hosted a basketball game almost every friday Night and everybody to include their drunk uncle Butchy was there. Anyone who was fortunate enough to have been part of the experience can tell you the place had a Roman Coloseum like aura about it where the Poets were the Beastly Lions and whatever team that had the misfortune of wondering out of the visitors locker room was the sacrificial Lamb. The Poets never failed to deliver the blood and gore while almost always tearing opponents to complete shreads. (Meth is blushing) It did not matter what school you attended or where you were from, Dunbar on friday nights was the place to be...and so were the girls.

2. The old MSA-A was a super megladon conference made up of Most of the current Miaa-a schools (save Spalding) to include Bcc, Poly and Dunbar. Nothing but dog fights all the way up to Thanksgiving day at Memorial stadium. Will never forget the year, Bcc tussled with CHC in the tunnel as the Mcards had just crushed The Blakefeilds and Bcc was headed out to face Poly......aaaahhhhhh...those were the days.

3. St. Joes actually recieved the recognition they deserved for winning countless wrestling titles. They still win on a high level and face tougher competition these days but simply don't get the attention they deserve. What gives.

4. The entire west end of the Baltimore metro area had football behemoths in Northwestern, Poly, Gilman, Mcdonogh and Randallstowns. Wether it was a conference, state or county/City league title, you had to go through one of these schools to get it. Anyone recall the name "Andre Creamer".

5. The MSA-B Conference basketball championship was a totally hyped 3 game series to include a home and home with a neutral site rubber match at JHU (if required) if they still do it, then pardon me but yet, the City league and Miaa-a should consider a championship series because simply put, it would be great for the game. Baltimore High school basketball features the highest and toughest level of competition in the entire nation. Why not install a 3 game series to determine the champion. It would be great for the game and the kids and communities would love it....WADE AND COMPANY...I'm just saying.


Ok girls....AO is out of here and I'll see you guys in Mid August as I'll see many of you at the scrimmages. Until then, if you need to get a hold of me, pm here on the board or email me at AgentorangeBcc@yahoo.com.

I agree with you about the Dunbar basketball thing. It was quite an experience. But I thought Dunbar was in the B conference. I know they were in football for a number of years.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

I agree with you about the Dunbar basketball thing. It was quite an experience. But I thought Dunbar was in the B conference. I know they were in football for a number of years.

I was ignoring you but had to respond to this. Are you actually asking if Dunbar was in the B conference in Basketball? One of the greatest basketball programs in the Country in the B conference?

I find it very hard to believe that you have ever been to a Dunbar basketball game during the MSA days and ask this question! No way no how. If you had ever been to a Dunbar game in the 80's(can't speak on the 70's) and early 90's, you definitely would not have ask this question. First off unless you attended Dunbar you would have been going there to see a specific game and would have known what conference the team was in and all about them. Secondly, getting into a Dunbar game back then was very hard to do. If you weren't there hrs before most of the time(like during the JV game) you would not have gotten in.

[TheGuru]

I agree with you about the Dunbar basketball thing. It was quite an experience. But I thought Dunbar was in the B conference. I know they were in football for a number of years.

Naw man! The conference thing didn't matter back in the '80s as far as
HS basketball was concerned. Dunbar played a national schedule back then.

A side note: My teammates and I had a trashtalking session with the City College Knights as we were leaving the Baltimore Colts locker room after we destroyed Loyola in '84. We told them in blunt language that they were about to get their *** kicked by the Lawrence Drumgoole-led Engineers. A few hours later, our prediction came true.

[Outside Looking In]

I was ignoring you but had to respond to this. Are you actually asking if Dunbar was in the B conference in Basketball? One of the greatest basketball programs in the Country in the B conference?

I find it very hard to believe that you have ever been to a Dunbar basketball game during the MSA days and ask this question! No way no how. If you had ever been to a Dunbar game in the 80's(can't speak on the 70's) and early 90's, you definitely would not have ask this question. First off unless you attended Dunbar you would have been going there to see a specific game and would have known what conference the team was in and all about them. Secondly, getting into a Dunbar game back then was very hard to do. If you weren't there hrs before most of the time(like during the JV game) you would not have gotten in.

Was not talking about basketball idiot. I asked if they were in the B conference for football. I have been to MANY Dunbar basketball games. You have no idea who I am so shut your mouth and continue to discredit kids at any chance you get.

[TheGuru]

Was not talking about basketball idiot. I asked if they were in the B conference for football. I have been to MANY Dunbar basketball games. You have no idea who I am so shut your mouth and continue to discredit kids at any chance you get.

To be fair to GA you wrote that you knew that you knew that the Dunbar football team was in the B conference but you didn't know about the basketball team. Sheesh! There are some short tempers on this board.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

To be fair to GA you wrote that you knew that you knew that the Dunbar football team was in the B conference but you didn't know about the basketball team. Sheesh! There are some short tempers on this board.

He was absolutely talking about basketball. He's agenda driven as it gets. He has already admitted that he has used different names on here. Haven't seen his partner Jeebus on here in quite a while, I'm thinking they might be one in the same.

[Outside Looking In]

He was absolutely talking about basketball. He's agenda driven as it gets. He has already admitted that he has used different names on here. Haven't seen his partner Jeebus on here in quite a while, I'm thinking they might be one in the same.

I am not Jeebus, but he is one of a few that sees through this private school superiority crap. I agree with a lot he says. And for the record I played agaisnt Dunbar in both basketball and football in the early 90s. I knew that they were A conference in Basketball but they were not in Football.

[TheGuru]

I am not Jeebus, but he is one of a few that sees through this private school superiority crap. I agree with a lot he says. And for the record I played agaisnt Dunbar in both basketball and football in the early 90s. I knew that they were A conference in Basketball but they were not in Football.

GA might be an elitist (LOL!) but if you read any of my posts you'd know that I hate Gilman & Loyola (rhetorically) and I attend mostly public school games. The only private school I support is my alma mater, Calvert Hall. I will admit that this so-called superiority issue could be dealt with if the public schools around the state were allowed more flexibility in scheduling like back in the '80s & '90s. Then it could be settled on the field.

BTW, why change your user name? We're you that controversial?

[First_Down]

... if the public schools around the state were allowed more flexibility in scheduling like back in the '80s & '90s. Then it could be settled on the field.

It's not just flexible scheduling with publics. That extends to privates in leagues. Privates in leagues play only about 8 regular season football games. They typically do 1 or perhaps 2 non-league games very early ( tune up games so to speak ) and then they dive into their league play of what, 6 or 7 games... They are done in late November when publics are just sorting out who's in and who's out in the playoffs.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

It's not just flexible scheduling with publics. That extends to privates in leagues. Privates in leagues play only about 8 regular season football games. They typically do 1 or perhaps 2 non-league games very early ( tune up games so to speak ) and then they dive into their league play of what, 6 or 7 games... They are done in late November when publics are just sorting out who's in and who's out in the playoffs.

No it doesn't. Privates can play four and in some years 5 OOC games. They have plenty of flexibility to play games. Now some schools like Gilman choose to have a bye week because of the strength of their schedule. But they are still playing four OOC games. So in week five, I would have much rather seen Gilman play Old Mill than play Charlotte Christian. It's on the publics with their scheduling. Honestly though, I don't think there are a lot of publics that want to jump out there and schedule many privates. Poly and Edmondson have been the only ones that have done it on a consistent basis.

[agentorange]

AO.. Creamers son Neiko plays WR for ECA and Andre was our DC last season while between college gigs.. Prior he was DC for Howard U and Del State before that.. He is a great coach my son learned a ton from him.. Great guy to hang with as well..

I have heard nothing but good things about Andre as well....its good to know that he still has such great enthusiasm for football. Too many Bmore area kids give up on the game and fail to see what a contribution they can make.

[agentorange]

I agree with you about the Dunbar basketball thing. It was quite an experience. But I thought Dunbar was in the B conference. I know they were in football for a number of years.

I wholeheartedly agree with Greyhound...your coment about Dunbar's B conference status makes you out to be very much like a chick at a all girls school whose feet can be seen under the restroom stall facing the wrong way.....whats up with you man....

[Big Sky]

No it doesn't. Privates can play four and in some years 5 OOC games. They have plenty of flexibility to play games. Now some schools like Gilman choose to have a bye week because of the strength of their schedule. But they are still playing four OOC games. So in week five, I would have much rather seen Gilman play Old Mill than play Charlotte Christian. It's on the publics with their scheduling. Honestly though, I don't think there are a lot of publics that want to jump out there and schedule many privates. Poly and Edmondson have been the only ones that have done it on a consistent basis.

Grey,There much more to this. I think a lot of publics would want to play some private teams. The reason they do not is the fact they are penalized based on the current point system that the MPSSA has in place. This system also penalizes the good teams like Dunbar and Fort hills of the State. Until this changes, these games will not happen.

[agentorange]

Was not talking about basketball idiot. I asked if they were in the B conference for football. I have been to MANY Dunbar basketball games. You have no idea who I am so shut your mouth and continue to discredit kids at any chance you get.

Once again...what are you talking about here...first you call Greyhound a idiot and the guy brought up a valid point and never said anything out of line....secondly, how could you even begin to think that Dunbar was ever in the B conference in any sport....third...We can only conclude who you are by what you say in your statements...Why does your offline status make a difference here...are we communicating offline here...

[agentorange]

I was ignoring you but had to respond to this. Are you actually asking if Dunbar was in the B conference in Basketball? One of the greatest basketball programs in the Country in the B conference?

I find it very hard to believe that you have ever been to a Dunbar basketball game during the MSA days and ask this question! No way no how. If you had ever been to a Dunbar game in the 80's(can't speak on the 70's) and early 90's, you definitely would not have ask this question. First off unless you attended Dunbar you would have been going there to see a specific game and would have known what conference the team was in and all about them. Secondly, getting into a Dunbar game back then was very hard to do. If you weren't there hrs before most of the time(like during the JV game) you would not have gotten in.

Once again...I totally agree...its much like one of those secret club type things...if you were not apart of or experienced the era we are speaking on, and you elect to insert yourself as having been a part of it, you will only stick out like a sore thumb...much like a person who claims affiliation with a secret club and has no idea what the secret handshake it....When I attended a Dunbar friday night game back in the day, I and my crew would get there at least 2 hours before tip off...if you did not get there by halftime of the j.v game that pre cluded the varsity game, then more than likely you were not getting in.

[agentorange]

I am not Jeebus, but he is one of a few that sees through this private school superiority crap. I agree with a lot he says. And for the record I played agaisnt Dunbar in both basketball and football in the early 90s. I knew that they were A conference in Basketball but they were not in Football.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG AND WRONG AGAIN....If you are saying you played against Dunbar in the 90's, then I would have to question such a coment...Dunbar's Football team was definately part of the MSA-A or now days MIAA-A Conference in the 90's....HOW COULD YOU NOT KNOW THIS BRO...WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE DEFINATLEY EARNED YOUR NAME...OUTSIDE LOOKING IN....

[TheGuru]

Grey,There much more to this. I think a lot of publics would want to play some private teams. The reason they do not is the fact they are penalized based on the current point system that the MPSSA has in place. This system also penalizes the good teams like Dunbar and Fort hills of the State. Until this changes, these games will not happen.

Say City College beat Calvert Hall in 2013 (never would happen), City would get points as if they beat a 4A school from Montgomery County. I believe they would also get points for every CHC win that season too. There is no penalty that I know of. The majority of the Baltimore City coaches just don't understand how the MPSSAA point system works. Those points could go a long way in securing home field advantage in the playoffs. '85Knight could clarify things. He's the best on the board that I've seen when it comes to explaining this topic.

[Big Sky]

Say City College beat Calvert Hall in 2013 (never would happen), City would get points as if they beat a 4A school from Montgomery County. I believe they would also get points for every CHC win that season too. There is no penalty that I know of. The majority of the Baltimore City coaches just don't understand how the MPSSAA point system works. Those points could go a long way in securing home field advantage in the playoffs. '85Knight could clarify things. He's the best on the board that I've seen when it comes to explaining this topic.

If that is so, Then I am wrong. I was under the impression that private school had no points in the MPSAA. My Bad.