Now you want some spin? You don't think your son had an advantage because you could afford to send him to TZ over other kids who couldn't... see where I am going here.. Everyone is crying about a physical training program... and seriously get over the ipad thing CHC was the last time I saw it.. prior we used it in every game.. CHC was first time anyone even mentioned it.. If it was such a huge violation why weren't we penalized? If they were trying to cheat so hard why did they do it in the open?? just get over it already...
BigSky I swear you either have duel personalities or your late night post have something to do with drunken posting and thats when your bitterness, hate, jealousy and name calling comes out... I feel sad for you and pray for you..
My challenge to anyone is instead of listening to rumor and making your mind up of what you think is going on come up and see for yourself. We don't hide what we do.. Many folks that have come up to see us and meet has also had these poor opinions and all have changed their minds 180 degrees.. .. From college coaches, to the bleacher report guy, to parents to everyone... Instead of spreading nonsense come see for yourself..
Blue Sky if Thomas is around bring him up he can work out with us for free and you can see for yourself..All the coaches have always said nothing but great things about him I am sure they would love to see him and see how he is doing... Again come see for yourself that is the best thing if you really want the truth .. or of course you can just choose to believe the worst in everybody and wallow in the bitterness thats is the easiest thing to do...
Last edited by harcohorns; 06-22-2012 at 06:34 AM.
Of course, it happens all over the state, in every county. And has been happening for a while.Originally Posted by harcohorns
But if GreyhoundAlum doesn't know about it (as he knows everything that happens in the state concerning HS football) then it isn't happening.
Or to use his own grammatically-errored statement right back at him.....(btw - it's "you're" not "your"):
Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM
Again have to agree with you here. I would say the exat same thing if my child played for ECA. They aren'renew along any rules, point blank. No excuses should be made of they beat teams(fairly). But we have to be honest here, they have major advantages. As it is constituted now, ECA is a full time football school whose players take courses.
Last edited by GREYHOUND ALUM; 06-22-2012 at 12:05 PM.
What is the goal of ECA? It sounds like they are a cheaper version of IMG's football school. Is it a school? or like the Maryland Saints, a group of home schooled kid's football team. I am not sure what educational niche they are filling, or even where they are located.
You guys are right.. There really is nothing to say that can change anyones opinion.. Other than come up and see for yourself.. other than that I guess we are whatever you want us to be.. Peace...
One of our parents asked me to post this for them..
"Please post this for me in response to Mr. Greyhound – Enough is Enough…
As a parent of an ECA player I felt compelled to address the educational component of the board posting. As per the football, I really do not have an opinion except to say that there are multiple opinions, rules, etc. that seem to change and flow depending on who is at the helm. I am happy to see that the administrative staff and the athletic leaders are aligned. I am happy that the coaches are spending the time with the young men in a way that continues the guidance and support that they get from home (or in place of). I wish more coaches would spend this type of time with our youth – more so than the Ministers, Business Owners and Community leaders who were respected in our times. I would hope that the GC, Gilman, CHC, Dunbar coaches… find ways to spend more time with the young men.
So about the education… I was completely scared about the type of education and instruction that my son (already an Honor Student from early on) would be receiving. I, along with other parents did a lot of research on the new model. The blended school approach and type of education our kids are receiving has proven to be a very successful formula when and where accepted. You may have to look at this internationally to understand where I am coming from. This school is more than online, there is a heavy “Brick and Mortar” component with teachers there to support those who need it and teach classes more conducive to the traditional model. For my son personally, this school is much more challenging and he has to take ownership of his work and his schedule. Just to keep up, he eats dinner and can spend up to 2-3 hours doing the classwork. These classes are not easy either, he easily writes 2-3 papers each week which are graded by “Certified” Teachers who check everything and grade tough (I guess for accountability). Additionally, he is taking a Game Design course online – which I found to be difficult and I am an Information Technologist by trade.
Last, you do see the administration and coaches with the kids a lot, but what you do not see are the other venues they are attending. I was there when the coach threw 13 or so kids in a van to go to DuPont to see the Robotics program and when the Black Data Process Association (BDPA) visited the school on to discuss computing. I wish they would share those pictures so you can see the true value of the school. Those kids weren’t talking about football, they were loving the technology. There is so much more planned, our hope is that in these trying economic times they can pull it ALL off – but even if they do not, the foundation is incredible.
During our end of the year student review with our son, the Guidance Counselor and Student Administrator (yes we actually had one vs. the private and other schools we attended in the past)… They showed us potential colleges and NCAA qualifications -- but here is the kicker – Their goals are to meet the University’s goals for academic entry. This means the GPA, SAT and Course Credits requirements are higher than any other school we visited or investigated… My guy will graduate with 28-30 credits… with classes like Game Design, Computer Architecture and Latin… I’M SOLD!
Now could he get this at some other schools –absolutely, I love Gilman and the others… Where we are from, there no schools like this and I will be honest, the administration and coaches do not have the time. Only the wealthiest of Delawareans would get this type of support – and believe me, they pay for it… Good for them!
As per my honor roll son, he was not a stud coming in… There was not recruitment, etc. He went to FLASH and feel in love with a program that showed him love.
To be honest, he is now interested in attending schools WE never dreamed of – This just does not happen up here.
See you on the field. "
The blended school approach is very interesting and has been proven be a successful alternative for many children. 60 minutes did a recent story on the Khan Academy that was very interesting and informative (see: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7401696n).
That being said, I think what causes concern/doubts amoung the doubters on this site is the timing of the school's creation and the mass exodus of the student-althletes from Red Lion, across state lines.
Why is this a response to me? I have never said ANYTHING about the education component of ECA. I don't know anything about what they are doing education wise. I don't speak on those things. And yes, I said its basically a "football academy." I explained why I said this. At THIS PRESENT MOMENT football is the only sport the school has and they started a school because Of a disagreement With the administration over the dootball program. Sorry thats a football academy in my eyes.
I'm not speaking anything about the future of ECA and what their mission may or may not be. This is a sports forum and I am only speaking on sports. Sports wise and in comparison to EVERY school in the state of Maryland and basically the country, ECA has an advantage in my opinion. This is all I'm speaking of nothing else.
By the way, I work in a industry where I see MANY kids who are home schooled, tutored(meaning they don't attend regular high school) and or take Internet classes. I'm very familiar with how It all works. I also know that these sort of classes make it much easier to succeed. You have more time and have more individual attention than a kid who has to deal with 30-40 or more kids in a class. Of the almost 20 years I have been around these sort of situations, I don't know of any kid who failed. Hell I can't think of a kid that got under a 3.0. Again this is no indictment, it's great actually. One of The reasons why we send our kids to private schools is the small classes and more one on one time with teachers.
As for the ipad thing, Big Sky was far from the only person to notice. It was not addressed before the game and it was done in a semi-covert manner. An unofficial/official unidentified member of football staff wearing ZERO RL gear was transferring the goods and flat out denied what he was doing when people took notice throughout the course of the game. Just clarifying, since it was addressed again.
Again.. The new owners of the school(Glasgow Reformed Presbyterian Church) told the kids and us parents that there would be no more financial aide.. The kids were told to go get jobs if they wanted to stay if there parents couldn't afford it... We all liked Red Lion only many folks at Red Lion didn't want us there.. The kids didn't have any issues with each other just the adults...
Many of us parents don't subscribe to the reformed Presbyterian Faith and they are unwavering in what they believe and rigid in that. We had to go.. but where was the question.. We were told we had to go but also told if we go we cant play for any school in DE if our child had received aide and played football.... Coach DT and some parents got together to try and figure out a solution to schooling and a way to keep the family together as well as continue their mission of serving these kids and those that follow.
After meetings with the Connection Academy out of Baltimore and others starting a new school with this blended approach in Md was a win/win for everyone.... They had a meeting with everyone and Connections Academy was there to tell us about the school and we all decided it was good and went... Now we feel what was a bad situation has turned into a better situation and something exciting for our kids and others who choose to consider ECA...
All I can say is God works in mysterious ways.. Is it perfect no, are there many hurdles yes but we believe in the end its best for our kids and will be for others after us as well.. hey you know what it is an advantage and if you want your kids to have the same advantage then you should consider ECA as well..
The blended school idea is a joke. Connections Academy is a nationwide online school. They offer courses for kids, great! But who is held accountable? The kids? yeah right. I know a few people (adults) that are paid by other adults to take the tests for their kids. Heck, all you have to do is google the test answers. It is a joke and does not provide the type of education a brick and mortar school brings. Do most kids in an online school do their own work, I would say yes, but there is a reason why GA says they always have good grades. It is called the Internet and others that can HELP them do their work. I would NEVER home school or have this blended type of crap for my kid.
I am sure that you all will jump all over me,but it is the truth.
If i wanted to try out ECA where would I go to get information, shadow, enroll, and send a tuition check? I can't find either a website or physical address.
Now lets really talk about if stills on an ipad is really THAT much of an advantage.. is it really much different than the OC being up in the booth charting and noting the defensive alignments and coverages? For me personally I would much rather our OC be in the booth with a Birdseye view away from the commotion and emotion of the sidelines so he can focus more on his play calling and adjustments but that is just my opinion..
AS for the football academy thing well that is fine ..If that means the school is producing kids that are academically and physically ready to play and perform at the collegiate level acamedically that I am good with that... to me that is what a football academy is.. I have read many people claiming DeMatha is just a football factory when they were winning and sending kids to collage on scholarship.. I have heard Good Cousel being called a football factory as well... people use that term to put others down but to me its a compliment.. thanks..
Last edited by harcohorns; 06-22-2012 at 02:25 PM.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about... First off they don't take any tests at home the tests are taken at the school with the teachers present just like a traditional school... Our school is part of connections academy but we are not part of the online home schooling they normally do..
The kids have to go to a school building with real teachers in the classrooms. they have class schedules and live lessons just like everyone else from 8am to 2:30. Zero part of this has any home schooling component at all other than home work which all schools have.. We don't flip like they say in the video....
Just like the video of the school that uses JHAN program in the 60 minutes piece... ECA is the school we just use connections academy software and system... Please do some research and get informed (there is plenty of stuff on the Internet) on what blended learning is before posting this ridiculous information which is completely false..
Did you know that 1 in every 4 college students are taking an online course each semester? This number is higher for student/athletes. In some schools like U of Central FLA that number excedes 50%.. Studies say that within 5 years time all college students will be schooling with a blended approach for at least 25& their clssses and that nuber will continue to rise..... You may not like it but it is the future and we beleive our kids are getting head start... So does every college coach that has come through the school and seen what we do...
Last edited by harcohorns; 06-22-2012 at 02:49 PM.
Watch video in the 60 minutes peice the guy posted.. The part of the story where they go to a Clai school using the blended approch shows exactly what it is... here is a video of Capre Diem.. I wish ours was ready to go online but its not yet
INDIANAPOLIS — Blended learning is about to shake up public schools in Indianapolis.
Three organizations have been approved to open 19 charter schools here that combine online technology and face-to-face instruction. The strategy allows schools to save money by employing fewer teachers, yet also can produce impressive student results.
And because lower-cost blended schools need no ongoing philanthropic support, they can be replicated rapidly_about three times more quickly than charter schools in Indianapolis have been so far.
"We're finally seeing the long-awaited arrival of technology that actually transforms instruction," said David Dresslar, a former public school superintendent who is now director of the Center for Excellence in Leadership of Learning at the University of Indianapolis.
If the blended schools in Indianapolis, which hope to enroll nearly 11,000 students, are as successful as blended schools in Arizona and California have been, Dresslar added, that will force traditional public schools here to adopt the concept, too.
Blended learning, also called hybrid learning, sends students to a computer lab to learn basic skills in math and literature_such as multiplication tables or parts of speech. Teachers then can focus on higher-level concepts such as story problems or composition writing during face-to-face instruction.
The software programs used in blended learning send streams of data to teachers, who can see what concepts students are grasping and what they are struggling to learn. The result, blended-learning proponents say, is that teachers are able to customize instruction_even though the ratio of students to teachers is higher in blended schools.
"It does provide a wonderful customized education for kids," said Rick Ogston, head of Arizona-based Carpe Diem Schools, which switched to a blended model nearly a decade ago. At Carpe Diem's high school last year, 87 percent of students passed the state math test and 93 percent passed the state reading test.
In August, Carpe Diem will open its first of six schools in Indianapolis. Each Carpe Diem school aims to eventually enroll 273 students in grades six through 12. And each school will have only four certified teachers, with other non-teachers to oversee students during their computer lab periods.
The other two organizations green-lighted to bring blended learning to Indianapolis are Boston-based Phalen Leadership Academies and California-based Rocketship Education.
Phalen wants to open six schools in Indianapolis, enrolling a total of 5,400 students. The newly formed group is led by Earl Phalen, founder of the Summer Advantage program, which already operates in 15 school districts in Indiana.
Its charter schools will be a year-round version of the five-week Summer Advantage programs, which have shown an average academic gain among students of two months, compared with a typical summer learning loss of three months.
In addition to the six schools in Indianapolis, Phalen also plans to start five other schools around Indiana by 2024.
"Our schools are built so that they are sustainable on state dollars," said Phalen, whose budgets assume $8,000 in expenditures per student. Most charter schools previously have been making their budgets by "running a chicken dinner every year. It's just not sustainable and it's just not scalable."
Charter schools in Indiana receive about $7,000 per student in state support, although funding can be higher for low-income and special-needs students.
Rocketship wants to open eight schools in Indianapolis, eventually enrolling a total of 4,000 students. But since the for-profit company is also expanding right now in Milwaukee and likely other cities, too, its first school won't open here until 2015.
Founded in San Jose, Calif., in 2007, Rocketship's schools serve a challenging population, with about 90 percent of students classified as economically disadvantaged. Even so, last year at least 83 percent of its students passed the English portion of the California state assessment test and no fewer than 90 percent passed the math portion.
Rocketship CEO John Danner compared blended learning to hospitals, where doctors are rare but there are lots of nurses and other technicians to help patients.
Rocketship's schools each have 500 students and only 16 teachers_about five fewer than most traditional public schools_because its students spend two hours each day in a computer lab, where they are overseen by non-teaching staff.
"Wow, that's an awful lot of time to be at a computer, especially for the younger kids," said Teresa Meredith, a Shelbyville kindergarten teacher who is also vice president of the Indiana State Teachers Association. She added, "That's a tremendous amount of time expecting the technology to set the foundation."
Meredith sees some potential for blended learning, but also wonders how much it is different from her own school, which has students on computers about 45 minutes a day, but always under the supervision of a certified teacher.
"I'm not real sold that it is that different yet, other than to save money," she said.
Danner acknowledged that the computer software available for teaching basic math skills is not as effective as classroom teachers. And there really aren't many great programs yet for reading, he said.
But Rocketship supplements the computer programs with as-needed tutoring in the computer lab, and its teachers do spend some class time on basic skills instruction.
"The thing that's nice about blended learning is that you're not making any all-in bets on technology," Danner said. If a computer program has a weakness, he said, Rocketship's teachers can compensate.
By using fewer teachers, Rocketship saves $1,000 per student in its 500-student schools. The savings are similar at the handful of blended schools across the country, according to an analysis by the education consulting practice at Boston-based Parthenon Group.
Schools nationally spend an average of $10,000 per student, according to data from the U.S. Census Bureau. But blended schools spend about $8,900, according to the Parthenon Group's analysis, published in the book "Education Reform for the Digital Era."
Carpe Diem, which uses even fewer teachers than most blended schools, spends just $6,300 per student, including debt service, Ogston said, and it could get by spending only $5,600.
Rocketship spends its savings on teacher salaries, which are about 20 percent higher than the average in San Jose public schools, and on training new leaders for all the schools it plans to launch.
"Economically, you can take a portion of what you're saving and invest it in growth," Danner said.
The potential for growth, combined with the impressive early results by Rocketship and Carpe Diem, led the Seattle-based Gates Foundation to give $500,000 last year to the Indianapolis-based Cities for Education Entrepreneurship Trust to study blended learning.
CEE-Trust, which is an offshoot of local education reform group The Mind Trust, is a consortium of cities swapping best practices on education reform. And these days, said Director Ethan Gray, blended learning is a hot topic in every city.
"Our expectation is that there is going to be an explosion in the (charter school) world over the next couple of years as charter management organizations implement some of the models that have been tried so far," Gray said.
Rocketship alone wants to launch eight or more schools in 50 cities and eventually enroll 1 million students.
To date, no charter school organization has ever achieved such explosive growth. The San Francisco-based KIPP Foundation has 109 schools nationally_including one in Indianapolis_but it has taken more than 15 years to build that network.
And even KIPP is now trying out blended learning at a school in Los Angeles and soon another one in Chicago.
In Indianapolis, charter school growth has been even slower. At present, no charter school operator has opened more than two schools for K-12 students in Indianapolis.
And not until the Indiana Charter School Board formed last year was it even possible for a school to apply for approval of multiple schools all at one time. Operated by the Indiana Department of Education, the board can authorize charter schools statewide.
The ramp-up in charter school approvals is not without controversy. Eugene White, superintendent of Indianapolis Public Schools, has said that if 20 new charter schools open in the city over the next five years, as planned by The Mind Trust and Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard, it could "destroy" IPS.
Even Phalen said that if all 19 of the blended-learning schools approved are launched in Indianapolis — as opposed to elsewhere in the area — it will create problems recruiting students.
Claire Fiddian-Green, director of the Indiana Charter School Board, said if charter school operators do not produce the results they promise and cannot show student demand for their schools, not all the proposed schools will open.
But if results are good and demand is high, she is prepared to recommend approval for several iterations of Rocketship, Carpe Diem, Phalen and other kinds of charter schools.
"When charter schools first started, they were really just one-offs, and it really has evolved a lot in the last five years," Fiddian-Green said. "If schools have a demonstrated model and systems to support replication, then we'd like to support them.".
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