Bush/Gore Grades and SAT Scores

[TheResearcher]

http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html

"Confidential college transcripts and test scores obtained by the Washington Post reveal that neither presidential candidate, George W. Bush nor Al Gore, were shining students during their college days at Yale and Harvard, respectively. Although each earned respectable scores on the SAT college admissions test (a total of 1355 of 1600 for Gore and 1206 for Bush), neither did that well in their college courses. Both earned a mix of B and C grades. Gore's lowest grade of D came in a natural sciences course, while his top grades were an A in French and English, an A in Visual and Environmental Studies, and an A- in Social Relations. Bush's lowest marks were a 70 (of 100) in Sociology and a 71 in Economics, while his highest scores were High Passes in History and Japanese."

[banner1124]

Exactly how is something posted 12 years ago and updated 7 years ago national news today?

[gps29070]

I really care less on how Obama, Romney, Clinton or Bush did on their college grades. There are a lot of people who straight-A students who are totally incompetent in life. And C-students who excel at life.

[MontanaJack]

Lmao, they got into the Ivies with those scores? 1355 is way below average for the Ivy League and 1206 is basically an automatic rejection unless you're the member of a multimillionaire political family....

[gps29070]

I think SAT is way overrated, it only measures how someone does on a written test in a fixed environment, not how a human being acts or thinks or their common sense level. Go to a MENSA meeting and you'll find a lot of fools there.

[Rael]

Lmao, they got into the Ivies with those scores? 1355 is way below average for the Ivy League and 1206 is basically an automatic rejection unless you're the member of a multimillionaire political family....

My son was rejected from Princeton with a 1570. Went to RPI instead and it worked out very well. He got both a good job and a wife,

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

I really care less on how Obama, Romney, Clinton or Bush did on their college grades. There are a lot of people who straight-A students who are totally incompetent in life. And C-students who excel at life.

I see it every day in engineering personnel. Particularly in communications to labor and operations personnel. It seems to me, the best problem solvers struggled a bit in college. The straight A guys seem to excel in R & D type stuff and not so much the applied engineering.

[BeHereNow]

I read an interesting article on SAT scores.
It seems in rewcent years about one is 1500 testers get a perfect score, a much more common event than in, 1972 for example.



A person with an IQ of 100 today (average, by definition), would score about 130 in 1900.

A person with 100 in 1900, would score about 70 today,' mentally deficient', by definition.

It is a matter of testing and scoring, not a matter of humans becoming more 'intelligent'.

[BeHereNow]

In 2004, roughly the same number of seniors took the SAT, and 939 (roughly 1 in 1,500 students) received a perfect score of 1600.


ADD: This link reports that in 1986 roughly one in 110,000 test-takers received a perfect score on the SAT. And by 2004 it was 1 in 1500.

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also
He states that it’s easy to suppose the increases in IQ-test scores represent a rise in intelligence. But that leads to problems if one follows its “consequences backward through time”.

“If a cognitively average person of today were able to travel back in time, the performance required to attain their score of 100 on an IQ test of today would garner them a score of 118 by 1950 standards, and a whopping 130 by 1910 standards, superior to fully 98% of his or her peers,” Clark writes.“However, this also implies the shocking logical converse: If a person of average cognitive ability in 1910 were able to take an IQ test today, the performance required to earn them a score of 100 in 1910 would yield them only 70 points today, two standard deviations below today’s mean—right at the cutoff for mental retardation.”