What frustrates you the most ?

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Angelo$ & family.

[cealex1223]

The owner frustrates me

Explain to me where Angelos is responsible for the current poor play??? Get over it, this is an attempt to put competitive baseball back on the field but these guys are just coming unglued.

[Agrippa]

Explain to me where Angelos is responsible for the current poor play??? Get over it, this is an attempt to put competitive baseball back on the field but these guys are just coming unglued.

Peter Angelos

or

Johnny Oates
Phil Regan
Davey Johnson
Ray Miller
Mike Hargrove
Lee Mazzilli
Sam Perlozzo
Dave Trembley
Juan Samuel
Buck Showalter
Roland Hemond
Pat Gillick
Frank Wren
Syd Thrift
Jim Beattie
Mike Flanagan
Andy MacPhail
Dan Duquette

[can you hear me now!]

Explain to me where Angelos is responsible for the current poor play??? Get over it, this is an attempt to put competitive baseball back on the field but these guys are just coming unglued.

the owner sets the budget, the owner hires the people who run the organization (with his permission) and the owner is the person who is most responsible for the success of the franchise. now success to you and me, as fans, is wins and losses. not for this owner, his winning involves turning a profit every year. have you not stopped and asked yourself why a team with the resources this one has is in the lower half of mlb for team salary but at the top for profitability.

the team is performing in accordance with it's talent level- it doesn't have enough to compete....

as I've pointed out before-- this owner has fired the people in key positions multiple times, but yet, the results don't change....that's on the owner.....

[Grindelwald]

Explain to me where Angelos is responsible for the current poor play??? Get over it, this is an attempt to put competitive baseball back on the field but these guys are just coming unglued.

C'mon, the 14 years of losing is clearly PA's fault. He is a penny pincher who is too stubborn to care about winning.

[cealex1223]

C'mon, the 14 years of losing is clearly PA's fault. He is a penny pincher who is too stubborn to care about winning.

I agree about the past, but I'm just saying this money ball approach this season has them in the hunt, albeit with smoke and mirrors, but let's see how the O's respond at the deadline and see if maybe, just maybe, there has bend change in direction.

[Jimmy Jazz]

What moneyball approach? They're like last in team OBP.

Edit: Oh wait, they are ahead of OAK (how ironic) and SEA.

[jamesdean]

You can't win without pitching and this organization continues in an almost mind numbing consistency of failing to develop starting pitchers. And what's even more astonishing is that they all pretty much exhibit the same traits of futility- lousy command, extremely limited stuff, throw an outrangeous amount of pitches, can't field their position, are intimidated by major league hitters, etc..it goes far beyond merely saying the scouting department doesn't have the ability to spot talent. This is a problem where the stench of deplorable instruction reeks on every level. These guys have no clue when they're brought up. None. It's disgraceful and has been the No. 1 reason this team has been horrible for so long. And sadly, almost all of these pitchers will be out of baseball by the time 2015 rolls around.

[SNAFU]

Buck, and his stubborness to move a player down in the batting lineup. Last year it was Vlad, this year it's Hardy.

[bmore_ken]

Explain to me where Angelos is responsible for the current poor play??? Get over it, this is an attempt to put competitive baseball back on the field but these guys are just coming unglued.

Oh look another Angelos apologist. He's responsible for not spending money on good players who wouldn't be providing such poor play.

[bmore_ken]

I agree about the past, but I'm just saying this money ball approach this season has them in the hunt.

What team have you been watching for the last month?

[cealex1223]

At the beginning of the season it was a money ball approach, and in some unexplainable way it landed them in playoff contention at the break. I completely agree that its not sustainable, and needs many additional pieces in order for this to translate into a contending team in the next year. I just don't think the immediate situation is an Angelos issue, however the absolute crap we've dealt with for the 12 years leading up to it certainly was. I'm just saying this year (starting now) will be a chance for him to make this right (no, that excuses nothing in the past, I'm trying to look forward). If we keep the core of this team, add pieces to fill it in, and spend the money to retain our talent, we may actually have a product worth watching next year.

[cealex1223]

We also have to admit that over time many top talent players have passed on us because we were terrible, not because we weren't willing to pay. Its MUCH more than a money issue, it was about winning, and some unfortunate meddling by Angelos during that time. I'm just not sure I've seen examples of that in the Buck era (as short as that is...)

[bmore_ken]

We also have to admit that over time many top talent players have passed on us because we were terrible, not because we weren't willing to pay.

What proof do you have of that? Because I have plenty of quotes ready by O's management that certain players cost too much to go after

[weird-O]

We also have to admit that over time many top talent players have passed on us because we were terrible, not because we weren't willing to pay. Its MUCH more than a money issue, it was about winning, and some unfortunate meddling by Angelos during that time. I'm just not sure I've seen examples of that in the Buck era (as short as that is...)

the only example of this that I can think of was Vlad 1.0, the O's offered more $$$ than the Angels, but the Angels offered more promise for being competitive. other than that, I don't remember the O's outbidding other teams and getting snubbed.

[bmore_ken]

the only example of this that I can think of was Vlad 1.0, the O's offered more $$$ than the Angels, but the Angels offered more promise for being competitive. other than that, I don't remember the O's outbidding other teams and getting snubbed.

We have the same memories

[jabba2]

The O's only give out token offers to top Free Agents. Pretend to have interest to fool the fanbase. And it works... year after year.

[can you hear me now!]

We also have to admit that over time many top talent players have passed on us because we were terrible, not because we weren't willing to pay. Its MUCH more than a money issue, it was about winning, and some unfortunate meddling by Angelos during that time. I'm just not sure I've seen examples of that in the Buck era (as short as that is...)

I think I just found another frustrating thing--- O's interns, like this guy, who post on this forum.....

[Mr. Buzzcut]

I know OBP was stressed in the offseason, but a .303 OBP != Moneyball.

[BankyConan1]

the only example of this that I can think of was Vlad 1.0, the O's offered more $$$ than the Angels, but the Angels offered more promise for being competitive. other than that, I don't remember the O's outbidding other teams and getting snubbed.

Paul Konerko...You're welcome