Educational opportunity - Not for Americans

[Saticon3]

There were cost estimates, probably by DLS, of $1M to $4M per year.

what do they (you ) mean by that?
To my way of thinking, allowing in state tuition doesn't lose money unless it takes the spot of someone willing and ready, and able to pay the out of state rate, the presumption again being that if the dreamers had to pay out of state rates, they would not go.

[demopublican]

And how about the draw this would create? Obviously Maryland will be known as a friendly place for illegals to settle.

[prepfan]

And how about the draw this would create? Obviously Maryland will be known as a friendly place for illegals to settle.

Has that obviously happened in Texas, or any of the other 10 states ?

[Saticon3]

Has that obviously happened in Texas, or any of the other 10 states ?

I don't know about the "welcoming factor" but its well- documented that the opposite- the "unwelcoming factor" such as when localities and states pass "anti" illegal immigrant laws, they leave in droves. Where was it, Alabama, GA maybe where they recently passed a bunch and the farmers there said they couldn't get workers anymore?

So, say you're an illegal living where they pass some anti- laws, and you're looking for a new place--- MD maybe does pop up on the radar a little more prominently due to Dream and some other things we have going for them maybe.

[prepfan]

I don't know about the "welcoming factor" but its well- documented that the opposite- the "unwelcoming factor" such as when localities and states pass "anti" illegal immigrant laws, they leave in droves. Where was it, Alabama, GA maybe where they recently passed a bunch and the farmers there said they couldn't get workers anymore?

So, say you're an illegal living where they pass some anti- laws, and you're looking for a new place--- MD maybe does pop up on the radar a little more prominently due to Dream and some other things we have going for them maybe.

So it had a negative impact on the economy of the state ?

and maybe MD pops up... maybe.[You did have two maybes in there] (I'm pretty sure the overwhelmingly prime factor is the availabilty of work i.e. money)

Wouldn't it more more prudent to put the resources into enforcement actions against the employers than to commit them to fighting against this law that will have almost zero impact on the illegal immigration problem ?

[Mitchum]

And how about the draw this would create? Obviously Maryland will be known as a friendly place for illegals to settle.

Thats another on of those anti immigration myths.

[Lawman 27]

what do they (you ) mean by that?
To my way of thinking, allowing in state tuition doesn't lose money unless it takes the spot of someone willing and ready, and able to pay the out of state rate, the presumption again being that if the dreamers had to pay out of state rates, they would not go.

No one is saying that these kids can NOT go to college.

I question why American taxpayers, people who have 'played by the rules all of their lives,' are treated like second class citizens* and thrown to the curb, while illegal immigrants who have subverted the system are given every opportunity.




*Actually, if you dealt with FAFSA you would feel much worse than that.

[demopublican]

Thats another on of those anti immigration myths.

Really? So illegals will flock to places with tougher employment and immigration laws?

[Saticon3]

So it had a negative impact on the economy of the state ?

and maybe MD pops up... maybe.[You did have two maybes in there] (I'm pretty sure the overwhelmingly prime factor is the availabilty of work i.e. money)

Wouldn't it more more prudent to put the resources into enforcement actions against the employers than to commit them to fighting against this law that will have almost zero impact on the illegal immigration problem ?

I don't know if it had an overall negative or positive effect on the state or not- that is debatable--- then there is also the matter of law which should not be enforced selectively depending on economic factors if we want to call ourselves a nation of laws and order-- change the law if it doesn't work for us, don't just ignore or violate it--- the farmers of course do not want to pay legal citizens the wages they would expect- and yes I am aware of the effect on prices, but who's to say if its prices or profit margin? And, what do they cost the state in terms of services vs what taxes they pay if any? All of this is inter-dependent on various factors.

I am all for enforcemnt of existing laws on employers employing illegals illegally, yes it does make much more sense to attack the problem in that way-- although I would still want to see deportation of those that come to the attention of the authorities one way or another such as by arrest even for minor crimes.

Lately, "they" have been saying actually more illegals or going back to their homelands than are coming in- in other words the tide has reversed--- I've long believed in reverse migration, if the jobs are'nt here-- and other advantages for them- they will leave-- apparently that has come true through a combination of economic factors and enforcement.

[Saticon3]

Thats another on of those anti immigration myths.

serious question-- are you for completley open immigration?

[Terry K]

The DREAM Act isn't taxpayer funded. So just where are your taxes going for "illegals"?

You must work for the Sun to be that obtuse. Who funds the Dream Act if it's not the taxpayer? Are you assuming Mexico and the Central American countries are stroking a big check to pay for their citizens education?

[Mitchum]

You must work for the Sun to be that obtuse. Who funds the Dream Act if it's not the taxpayer? Are you assuming Mexico and the Central American countries are stroking a big check to pay for their citizens education?

ROTFLMAO Aren't you the same Goof Nut that thinks the President was born in Kenya?

.......and you are calling me obtuse??

[demopublican]

serious question-- are you for completley open immigration?

He does not answer direct questions

[georjec2]

Those of you that are pizzed off about where your taxes seem to be going and to who I must admit that I understand why you are angry.

I've been to Lexington Market for a sample of what I know to be widespread.

They system desperately needs revamping to help only those who are trying to help themselves and not the ones who feel they are owed something for their mistakes and bad choices.