Chase headley

[weird-O]

I was listening to MLB radio yesterday. Jim Bowden and Casey Stern host a show. They opened the lines for folks to call in and discuss their team. the first caller was an O's fan who asked what they thought about the O's getting Headley for a package that featured Matusz as the central piece, since BM is from the SD area.

Bowden politely said that won't be enough to get the deal done. He also went on to say that Matusz is a big fat question mark around the league because his velocity has dropped so much.

Stern made some interesting comments. He said "I've never seen such an overrated player, discussed so much at the trade deadline, as Headley". He said he's friends with the guy and knows Chase will probably be mad at him for his comments, but he just isn't that good of a player. his offensive numbers are underwhelming and his defense is good, but nothing that makes him stand out. he basically said he's a servicable player. and he can't figure out why teams are so stuck on trading for him. He also said he thinks the Padres FO are off their rocker with the demands they're making for him.

Bowden replied, that Chase is a good, not great player. he's solid, but nothing special. he said SD is smart to trade him because the interest in Chase is far greater than his actual value. he agreed with Stern that he isn't worth what SD wants, but someone will overpay to get him, and smart teams trade players when their value peaks like this.

it was very interesting to hear these comments since I don't get to watch much NL baseball, especially west coast teams.

[LarryN]

I'm with those guys. Like you I've never seen him play, but looking at his career, and year by year stat lines, I see a guy that would be serviceable and fill a huge hole nicely. But nothing to give up the farm for, which seems to be what San Diego is looking for.

[NCBirdfan]

I'm with those guys. Like you I've never seen him play, but looking at his career, and year by year stat lines, I see a guy that would be serviceable and fill a huge hole nicely. But nothing to give up the farm for, which seems to be what San Diego is looking for.

I agree. He is an average third baseman. While being average would be better than what the Orioles have had, it is not terribly hard to find another average player that isn't so overpriced. I say the Orioles should pass on him unless the price comes down considerably.

[atomic]

He is an above average fielding third baseman and his hitting numbers outside of san diego are outstanding and he has a high obp. This the reason a lot of teams are after him. 20 years ago people wouldn't have known his value...unfortunately for the O's they do and there is a lot of competition for the headley.

[dandrews]

He is an above average fielding third baseman and his hitting numbers outside of san diego are outstanding and he has a high obp. This the reason a lot of teams are after him. 20 years ago people wouldn't have known his value...unfortunately for the O's they do and there is a lot of competition for the headley.

I'm in this boat. He's also under control for a few more years. He would be a terrific addition to this team

[weird-O]

He is an above average fielding third baseman and his hitting numbers outside of san diego are outstanding and he has a high obp. This the reason a lot of teams are after him. 20 years ago people wouldn't have known his value...unfortunately for the O's they do and there is a lot of competition for the headley.

so far, you're the only person who has called him above average defensively. and Stern commented specifically that his numbers outside of Petco are not that impressive (not that he's automatically right just for being on the aire). and Bowden didn't disagree with that comment. in a side by side comparison to Chris Davis, Davis matches up pretty well. his power production is better than Headley in 100 less ABs. but Headley has less Ks and a better OBP. that's important since the O's can't get on base and K way too often. offensively speaking, the stats suggest the O's already have a Headley in house. defense is more difficult to determine because Davis has been shuffled around since joining the O's.

[jabba2]

Of course the Orioles would trade Matusz for Headley. Matusz isnt even good enough for our rotation so he's basically useless to us right now, while Headley fills an enormous hole at 3B. Problem is I doubt the Padres want Matusz.

[weird-O]

Of course the Orioles would trade Matusz for Headley. Matusz isnt even good enough for our rotation so he's basically useless to us right now, while Headley fills an enormous hole at 3B. Problem is I doubt the Padres want Matusz.

that seems to be the word around the league. Matusz is seen as a risk. too questionable to consider as a centerpiece of a significant trade.

[Grindelwald]

If we could get Headley w/o having to give Machado/Bundy I would be all for it.

[atomic]

so far, you're the only person who has called him above average defensively. and Stern commented specifically that his numbers outside of Petco are not that impressive (not that he's automatically right just for being on the aire). and Bowden didn't disagree with that comment. in a side by side comparison to Chris Davis, Davis matches up pretty well. his power production is better than Headley in 100 less ABs. but Headley has less Ks and a better OBP. that's important since the O's can't get on base and K way too often. offensively speaking, the stats suggest the O's already have a Headley in house. defense is more difficult to determine because Davis has been shuffled around since joining the O's.

I don't know where you get your information. Are you just making things up? Headley has had higher OPS the last 2 years playing in a pitchers park than Chris Davis has had playing in a hitters park.

Headleys offensive war thelast 3 seasons: 2.2,2.4, 2.5
Chris Davis' offensive war the last 3 seasons: -8, .4, .3

Headleys defensive war thelast 3 seasons: 1.7, .3, .4
Chris Davis' defensive war the last 3 seasons: 0. -.7, -1.3

headley is a third baseman and davis is a first baseman. I don't even know why we are comparing them but there is no doubt that Headley is the better player.

[18-87-44-29]

Stern made some interesting comments. He said "I've never seen such an overrated player, discussed so much at the trade deadline, as Headley".... he just isn't that good of a player. his offensive numbers are underwhelming and his defense is good, but nothing that makes him stand out. he basically said he's a servicable player.

Bowden replied, that Chase is a good, not great player. he's solid, but nothing special. s.

Well then.....figure you can fit him for an orange and black hat in a matter of days.

[dmac43]

Well then.....figure you can fit him for an orange and black hat in a matter of days.

Lick Nutz!!!

[weird-O]

I don't know where you get your information. Are you just making things up? Headley has had higher OPS the last 2 years playing in a pitchers park than Chris Davis has had playing in a hitters park.

Headleys offensive war thelast 3 seasons: 2.2,2.4, 2.5
Chris Davis' offensive war the last 3 seasons: -8, .4, .3

Headleys defensive war thelast 3 seasons: 1.7, .3, .4
Chris Davis' defensive war the last 3 seasons: 0. -.7, -1.3

headley is a third baseman and davis is a first baseman. I don't even know why we are comparing them but there is no doubt that Headley is the better player.

take a look at my initial post and you'll see where I got my information. as for the stat comparison, I used www.baseball-reference.com.

and my head to head comparison dealt strictly with offensive numbers. their defensive position isn't a variable in that comparison.

I found this write up that supports your opinion.

Chase Headley, Padres. Not nearly as famous as Greinke, Headley has labored in obscurity in San Diego during a down period for Padres baseball. His offensive stats are tamped down by Petco Park, but when you adjust for the environment, you find that he hits 20 percent better than the league the past two years. Away from Petco this year, Headley is batting .279/.378/.488, making him a fantastic No. 2 hitter for any contender. He's also a very good defensive third baseman and an excellent percentage basestealer (54 steals at a 79 percent clip in his career). Headley brings a high OBP (.368 in 2011-12) at a position that many teams have had trouble filling, and given the wretched situations at the hot corner for some contenders -- like the A's -- Headley could provide that critical two-win boost.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz21lcVLRtk

so relax with the attitude it isn't necessary and it doesn't help the conversation.

[weenie]

Well then.....figure you can fit him for an orange and black hat in a matter of days.

Funny guy, I usually just skip over your posts. You are a one trick pony. Why do you persist? Do you have antisocial behavioral tendencies? After the incidents of recent days, I worry most about folks like you who seem to thrill in taunting. Are you lonely? Do you need some affirmation? There are many charities who need and appreciate those who provide any form of assistance. Please consider channelling your enthusiasm toward productive efforts. Deep down, I'm sure you are basically a good person.

[atomic]

take a look at my initial post and you'll see where I got my information. as for the stat comparison, I used www.baseball-reference.com.

and my head to head comparison dealt strictly with offensive numbers. their defensive position isn't a variable in that comparison.

I found this write up that supports your opinion.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz21lcVLRtk

so relax with the attitude it isn't necessary and it doesn't help the conversation.

Here is the final davis/headley comparison:

there away OPS the last two years

Davis: .655, 662
Headley .871, 864

That is quite a difference. Of course they don't play in the same away parks but you can see Davis is aided quite a bit by the friendly confines of OPACY and Headley stats are brought down by playing in San Diego.

[weird-O]

Here is the final davis/headley comparison:

there away OPS the last two years

Davis: .655, 662
Headley .871, 864

That is quite a difference. Of course they don't play in the same away parks but you can see Davis is aided quite a bit by the friendly confines of OPACY and Headley stats are brought down by playing in San Diego.

ok, good point. Headley has the potential to outclass Davis. and we both agree that he would be an upgrade. but now we have to talk turkey. SD is asking for top prospects. so getting him will cost at least one of the O's big two, plus other high ranking players.

is Headley worth that in your opinion?