What is Weiters worth

[18-87-44-29]

Some of those are indeed better this year. Just picking one, please explain how Russell Martin is better.

The track record for 1.....3x All Star and a GG/SS winner....w/numerous playoff apprearances. And yes...while it's true he is slumping a bit w/the average.....he still packs a lot of pop....only 2 less HR than 'Mauer w/Power' in about 100 less ABs. Calls a great game too.

Besides...ask any of the guys @ Bristol who they'd take btwn Russ and 'Mauer w/Power' and it would likely be unanimous.

[ivanbalt]

Besides...ask any of the guys @ Bristol who they'd take btwn Russ and 'Mauer w/Power' and it would likely be unanimous.

Clearly, most analysts want a player who's worse in every single offensive category as well as fielding. Not to mention hitting sub .200 in the Yankees' lineup.

[hector]

The track record for 1.....3x All Star and a GG/SS winner....w/numerous playoff apprearances. And yes...while it's true he is slumping a bit w/the average.....he still packs a lot of pop....only 2 less HR than 'Mauer w/Power' in about 100 less ABs. Calls a great game too.

Besides...ask any of the guys @ Bristol who they'd take btwn Russ and 'Mauer w/Power' and it would likely be unanimous.

Martin is a dog, both as a player and facially. With a mug like his, thank goodness it's hidden behind a mask.

[18-87-44-29]

Clearly, most analysts want a player who's worse in every single offensive category as well as fielding. Not to mention hitting sub .200 in the Yankees' lineup.

Who's team is having the better year?

I rest my case.

[ivanbalt]

Who's team is having the better year?

I rest my case.

Rest what case? You were clearly wrong, so you have to jump to another irrelevant comparison.

[LarryN]

Who's team is having the better year?

I rest my case.

Using 87's own logic:

The Yankees are having a better year with Russell Martin catching than the Orioles are with Matt Weiters catching.

ergo, Russell Martin is a better catcher.


The Ravens have had better years with Joe Flacco at quarterback than the Falcons have had with Matt Ryan at quarterback.

ergo, Flacco is a better quarterback.



I rest my case.

[18-87-44-29]

Using 87's own logic:

The Yankees are having a better year with Russell Martin catching than the Orioles are with Matt Weiters catching.

ergo, Russell Martin is a better catcher.


The Ravens have had better years with Joe Flacco at quarterback than the Falcons have had with Matt Ryan at quarterback.

ergo, Flacco is a better quarterback.

COULD NOT be any more wrong.

[LarryN]

COULD NOT be any more wrong.

Your logic.

Own it.

[mdlmark]

Your logic.

Own it.

Kinda funny how when you "shove-it" right up his you-know-what like that, all you get from "87" is..........."crickets"

[friendofbill]

In the grand scheme of things.....not much.

He is lost @ the plate...pointblank. Good luck if you need a crunch hit from him. You're looking @ either a K or a weak grounder/DP ball. And what's more.....his 'hailed' D has even seemed to take a step backwards.

Off the tip of my head.....I can think of @ least 12-15 Cs better than him right now. Put him on the trade market and you'll probably be sorely disappointed w/what you'd be proposed in return.

I have no doubt that your head has a "tip"

[Jimmy Jazz]

The problem is, Wieters isn't hitting .260. He's not even hitting .250 and to me, that's disappointing. I never expected him to hit in the .320-.340 range like he was doing in the minors but I did think he'd at least be a .280 hitter.

Over the last 8 games, he's 1 for his last 30 which has brought his average down from .258 to .238. Let's see where he finishes the season.

[jamesdean]

Over the last 8 games, he's 1 for his last 30 which has brought his average down from .258 to .238. Let's see where he finishes the season.

I don't know where he'll finish but there's no denying he's a below average major league hitter. Like almost all the hitters they put in the line up every day, he's a free swinger, gets himself out on pitches he should be taking and has very little pop in his bat for someone as big as he is. And his bat speed is almost non-existent. As I mentioned in the other post, he's basically Rick Dempsey reincarnated with a little bit more power. If there were 3 or 4 really good hitters in that line up it wouldn't be so problematic but Wieters just adds to the futility.

[Ravens2006]

The problem is, Wieters isn't hitting .260. He's not even hitting .250 and to me, that's disappointing. I never expected him to hit in the .320-.340 range like he was doing in the minors but I did think he'd at least be a .280 hitter. At the major league level, he's a very good defensive catcher who is below average offensively. And from what I've seen the past two years, it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon. I keep reading these Johnny Bench comparisons and that's beyond laughable. Right now, I'd compare him more to Rick Dempsey than Bench.

Right now he's a .259 lifetime hitter in the majors. My guess is that some years he'll hit .275 or .280, others he might hit around .240. Sure it's disappointing, people really expected him to be almost Bench-like at the plate. He's at .238 right now, and could be at .250+ in 10 days with a hot streak. A great defensive catcher with some pop at the plate is more than average to me, overall.

Frankly, I think guys like Markakis and Wieters would produce more if the front office would put real high average sluggers in the middle of the order to help them out... but that's another matter altogether.

[Jimmy Jazz]

The whole lineup seems to flail away at the plate, it's gotten worse as the offense has struggled and they press to make things happen, sort of a downward spiral of suck. Be nice if they taught guys from the minors on up to take pitches the way the great NYY and BOS teams of the last decade did.

[Mr. Buzzcut]

Wieters made the mistake of being drafted by the Orioles.

[jamesdean]

The whole lineup seems to flail away at the plate, it's gotten worse as the offense has struggled and they press to make things happen, sort of a downward spiral of suck. Be nice if they taught guys from the minors on up to take pitches the way the great NYY and BOS teams of the last decade did.

I was thinking last night..."I wonder what the team record is for offensive strikeouts?" I mean, these guys go down 10 times a night it seems. I don't know what the record is but this Oriole team HAS to be on a pace to threaten, if not, obliterate it.

[orioleaven852]

Kinda funny how when you "shove-it" right up his you-know-what like that, all you get from "87" is..........."crickets"

Guys, comon now. Come to the realization that locker combo is going to intentionally disagree with everything you say, no matter what logic is used. You could counter-argue with the most factually based, complete piece of evidence to beat him in a verbal disagreement, and he will still say that you're wrong. He's not here to create discussion. He's here to play the role of forum troll and he loves to be fed. I mean comon, he's probably chuckling softly in mommy's basement as he reads this...

[joeyccs]

Wish they would end his switch hitting and see how he does for the rest of the year. Everybody knows he can hit better right handed. Try it..what have you got to lose.