Chick-fila supporters trake a stand in Abingdon store

[Jeebus]

So that we have some point of comparison, what if any major chain store businesses are Muslim~owned, and whose owners made the same type of public comments?

So anti-gay attitudes and monetary donations of business owners are only a problem if the store is a chain?

Gotcha.

[octoburn]

So anti-gay attitudes and monetary donations of business owners are only a problem if the store is a chain?

Gotcha.

I asked you a question and you immediately jumped to a false conclusion.

It almost seems as you want the government to investigate all business owners ~ large or small ~ to determine their social attitudes toward minorities or ethnic groups.

And to point out the hypocrisy of your own argument, you need only look at your chosen forum name and avatar. "Jebus"? And within the traditional Christian ichthys symbol?

You tell me who is ridiculing and putting down someone's religious beliefs.

[Jeebus]

It almost seems as you want the government to investigate all business owners ~ large or small ~ to determine their social attitudes toward minorities or ethnic groups.

On the contrary, I want the Govt to stay out of the religious, abortion, environmental, and political beliefs of ALL businesses. For the mayor to single out Chik-fil-A for their position on gay marriage, yet ignore all business's owned by Muslims whose own religious beliefs condemn it as well, is hypocrisy.

Get it? It doesn't matter how big the business is, the mayors of those cities should (if they weren't hypocrites) immediately issue press releases demanding that all business in "their" cities conform to the beliefs that are consistent with the beliefs of the mayor, or "they are not wanted here."

And to point out the hypocrisy of your own argument, you need only look at your chosen forum name and avatar. "Jebus"? And within the traditional Christian ichthys symbol?

You tell me who is ridiculing and putting down someone's religious beliefs.

I am. I don't hide it, it's pretty easy to see that I think all organized religion to be a load of bs.

But am I the Govt? Am I a mayor of a city telling a legal business that "we don't want you here" for expressing their legal opinion on a moral/religious issue?

What seems to go over your head (and the rest who think this is a gay rights/gay marriage issue (which I support 100% btw if you haven't ever read any of my posts on the subject) or a religious issue) - is a Govt official using his office to threaten a legal business's expansion because he doesn't agree with their position on a political, moral, religious, or environmental issue.

Libbies seem to get angry when the Govt's use of the 1st Amendment is used to restrict porn, flag burning, OWS, funeral protests, etc - but when the "free speech" is used to condemn those they don't approve of (like Chik-fil-A and their stance on gay marriage) they cheer it and have no issue at all.

Scary.

[octoburn]

On the contrary, I want the Govt to stay out of the religious, abortion, environmental, and political beliefs of ALL businesses. For the mayor to single out Chik-fil-A for their position on gay marriage, yet ignore all business's owned by Muslims whose own religious beliefs condemn it as well, is hypocrisy.

Get it? It doesn't matter how big the business is, the mayors of those cities should (if they weren't hypocrites) immediately issue press releases demanding that all business in "their" cities conform to the beliefs that are consistent with the beliefs of the mayor, or "they are not wanted here."



I am. I don't hide it, it's pretty easy to see that I think all organized religion to be a load of bs.

But am I the Govt? Am I a mayor of a city telling a legal business that "we don't want you here" for expressing their legal opinion on a moral/religious issue?

What seems to go over your head (and the rest who think this is a gay rights/gay marriage issue (which I support 100% btw if you haven't ever read any of my posts on the subject) or a religious issue) - is a Govt official using his office to threaten a legal business's expansion because he doesn't agree with their position on a political, moral, religious, or environmental issue.

Libbies seem to get angry when the Govt's use of the 1st Amendment is used to restrict porn, flag burning, OWS, funeral protests, etc - but when the "free speech" is used to condemn those they don't approve of (like Chik-fil-A and their stance on gay marriage) they cheer it and have no issue at all.

Scary.

Oh ~ I get it. You admit that you deliberately chose your poster name and avatar to ridicule organized religion and Christianity in particular.

That's your idea of respecting others' religious beliefs? To constantly ridicule them?

Since you're trying so desperately to use the examples you did to paint all liberals, would it be okay to use your admission to paint all conservatives as wanting to ridicule religion and that they think it is "a load of b.s."?

You're also wrong to assume that I think it's acceptable for Rahm and others to try and ban CFA from opening businesses based on their owners' beliefs and statements.

[Jeebus]

Oh ~ I get it. You admit that you deliberately chose your poster name and avatar to ridicule organized religion and Christianity in particular.

Yes, of course! Are you not able to get that without being told? Try to keep up.

Urban Dictionary -

Jee * bus

A name used on progressive blogs to deride intolerant religious rightwingers ("fundies") who use the Christian faith as a flag and front for every one of their nastiest motivations, statements and actions, hiding hate behind professed faith. Basically "jeebus" is a code word for lefties permitting them to mock self-annointed religious frothing biters / ultraconservatives of the social or financial right who advocate selfishness and cruelty (via nutty religious errors) without actually deriding Jesus or Christianity itself which they don't have a problem with.

That's your idea of respecting others' religious beliefs? To constantly ridicule them?

I am a private citizen, who says I have to respect anyone's private religious beliefs? As long as I am not a Govt official using my position to deny them the freedom to practice their religion (as long as they are not violating the law) who cares whether or not I respect or ridicule a religious belief.

As they are free to believe whatever they wish, I am also free to ridicule them as long as I am not a Govt official using their beliefs to deny them any rights or using ANY religion as the basis of any law.

You need to learn the difference between a private citizen being allowed to associate or do business with (or not associate / not do business with) for ANY reason they so choose -- and the Govt doing it.

Again, try to keep up.

Since you're trying so desperately to use the examples you did to paint all liberals, would it be okay to use your admission to paint all conservatives as wanting to ridicule religion and that they think it is "a load of b.s."?

Um...I think conservatives wouldn't want to ridicule their own beliefs, what kind of sense does that make? Conservatives are the ones who are clinging to their religious beliefs to further their govt goals.

Or are you labelling me a conservative?

I believe in gay rights, abortion, legalizing drugs, absence of religion in schools/Govt, flag burning, the right to protest at funerals, and govt provided health insurance.

Think the Tea party would let me belong?

[octoburn]

Yes, of course! Are you not able to get that without being told? Try to keep up.





I am a private citizen, who says I have to respect anyone's private religious beliefs? As long as I am not a Govt official using my position to deny them the freedom to practice their religion (as long as they are not violating the law) who cares whether or not I respect or ridicule a religious belief.

As they are free to believe whatever they wish, I am also free to ridicule them as long as I am not a Govt official using their beliefs to deny them any rights or using ANY religion as the basis of any law.

You need to learn the difference between a private citizen being allowed to associate or do business with (or not associate / not do business with) for ANY reason they so choose -- and the Govt doing it.

Again, try to keep up.



Um...I think conservatives wouldn't want to ridicule their own beliefs, what kind of sense does that make? Conservatives are the ones who are clinging to their religious beliefs to further their govt goals.

Or are you labelling me a conservative?

I believe in gay rights, abortion, legalizing drugs, absence of religion in schools/Govt, flag burning, the right to protest at funerals, and govt provided health insurance.

Think the Tea party would let me belong?

I think that there are some conservatives AND liberals who cling to their religious beliefs to further their government goals. And I would also include ideological beliefs.

It is all in the interpretation. How many times have some of our more liberal posters attempted to use some biblical reference to erroneously justify ending capital punishment?

A blanket ridiculing of someone's belief system or lack of beliefs with regard to religion simply smacks of intolerance and arrogance similar to when someone tries to label someone as a "nazi".

You lose before you even begin.

[yuca]

I can't believe how ugly the Chick-fil-A issue has gotten. There is no way the more rabid gay marriage supporters are going to drive Chick-fil-A out of business. Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day is clear proof of that. Nor will they be able to change Dan Cathy's opinion.

Cathy has every right to spend his profits as he sees fit, provided no laws are being broken.

It's only a matter of time before gay marriage becomes legal in every state in this country. Clearly, a lot of people aren't going to be happy about that and will try to fight it.

C'est la vie. It's a changing world. If gay marriage opponents hate gays that much, they can always relocate to one of those countries where gays are executed.

[Jeebus]

I think that there are some conservatives AND liberals who cling to their religious beliefs to further their government goals. And I would also include ideological beliefs.

It is all in the interpretation. How many times have some of our more liberal posters attempted to use some biblical reference to erroneously justify ending capital punishment?

A blanket ridiculing of someone's belief system or lack of beliefs with regard to religion simply smacks of intolerance and arrogance similar to when someone tries to label someone as a "nazi".

Again, the most important issue of the Chi-fil-A situation goes completely over your head, it has nothing to do with gay marriage rights or anyone's right to believe or not believe in any religious issue.

You lose before you even begin.

When elected Govt officials use their elected office to officially threaten to restrict the business licenses of legal corporations, based on some sort of "values test" that must conform to the Govt's, we all lose.

Sad that you can only see this one way, but not unexpected. I'm sure when some conservative mayor threatens some business that supports liberal causes, and issues a statement that "we don't want you here" the left will just shrug it off.

[Hexexis]

Why is it so easy for you to make fun of people for believing in God/his teachings? ...

I've read the Bible several times thru, & I recall no "teachings" about Chick-fil-a.

But if that's what you base your faith on, you're welcome to it: the God of the Bible is a nasty, conceited, vengeful, selfish s.o.b. I believe in that God, but I sure as shootin' don't worship Him, which is what I suspect you mean by "believing": worshiping. I believe; I just don't worship. Neither Him or, for that matter, Chick-fil-a.

[baltimoreron]

Went by the C-F-A at Eastpoint mall on Friday night. The drive-thru window had cars wrapped around the building. I've never seen it so packed before.

Just an observation, nothing more, nothing less.

[atomic]

What's most amazing is that anyone would wait in line to eat that garbage.

Exactly and then they will expect us to pay for their diabetes and heart conditions medical care. I have never eaten at chick fila. Why would you want to be poisoned by crap like that?

[Woodbuchr]

I wonder if the gay rights activists understand the hypocricy of some of the things they do. They continually say that everyone should be tolerant of their lifestyle yet they do not seem to have the same tolerance for those who oppose their viewpoint.

The owner of Chik-fil-a company was villified by the gay rights people for supporting traditional marriage with many saying he should not have made statements to that fact. Apparently his right to free speech stops when it goes against their agenda.

Yet here we have another company which openly supports gay rights and that's okay with them.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/features...,1682036.story

The event was originally called National Starbucks Appreciation Day in honor of the coffee giant, which recently threw its support behind efforts to make gay marriage legal.

So free speech is okay with gay rights supporters as long as it agrees with their agenda. Hypocricy at its finest.

[Bmoreteacher]

I wonder if the gay rights activists understand the hypocricy of some of the things they do. They continually say that everyone should be tolerant of their lifestyle yet they do not seem to have the same tolerance for those who oppose their viewpoint.

The owner of Chik-fil-a company was villified by the gay rights people for supporting traditional marriage with many saying he should not have made statements to that fact. Apparently his right to free speech stops when it goes against their agenda.

Yet here we have another company which openly supports gay rights and that's okay with them.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/features...,1682036.story



So free speech is okay with gay rights supporters as long as it agrees with their agenda. Hypocricy at its finest.

Its shocking how many times I have had to say this. The CFA boycott didn't start because of what the owner said, it started because he donates his money to organizations like Exodus International and the Family Research Council, both of which work to deny even basic rights to gays. I will not tolerate the viewpoint that I shouldn't have any rights, and the owner clearly does not tolerate mine. That doesn't mean that either of us are trampling on the other's free speech.

[Woodbuchr]

Its shocking how many times I have had to say this. The CFA boycott didn't start because of what the owner said, it started because he donates his money to organizations like Exodus International and the Family Research Council, both of which work to deny even basic rights to gays. I will not tolerate the viewpoint that I shouldn't have any rights, and the owner clearly does not tolerate mine. That doesn't mean that either of us are trampling on the other's free speech.

So he donates his money to organizations he supports. So do gay rights activists and supporting companies.

From the article:

“In an effort to heighten awareness for all companies and nonprofits contributing to the fight for marriage equality, we’ve decided to rename August 7 as National Marriage Equality Day,” according a description of the event on Facebook.

The page also lists dozens of other brands in the same camp, including Absolut Vodka, Google, Macy’s and Tiffany & Co.

Why is it okay for one group to donate to its cause but not the other? Hypocrisy is the only answer I can think of.

[Bmoreteacher]

So he donates his money to organizations he supports. So do gay rights activists and supporting companies.

From the article:


Why is it okay for one group to donate to its cause but not the other? Hypocrisy is the only answer I can think of.

People are allowed to protest and boycott companies they disagree with. The "Christian" group One Million Moms tried to boycott JC Penney's for hiring Ellen as a spokesperson because she's a lesbian.

[jtowne-swim]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/...tory?track=rss

I was next door to that store yesterday and it was a zoo. Parking lot full with over flow at the Wine World store next door and 20 cars on the street waiting to come in.

Wonder if the planned gay kiss in will draw the same crowds?

You described that store everyday around lunch. It is not uncommon to wait for about 30-40 minutes at the drive thru

[Saticon3]

Its shocking how many times I have had to say this. The CFA boycott didn't start because of what the owner said, it started because he donates his money to organizations like Exodus International and the Family Research Council, both of which work to deny even basic rights to gays. I will not tolerate the viewpoint that I shouldn't have any rights, and the owner clearly does not tolerate mine. That doesn't mean that either of us are trampling on the other's free speech.

How come we never heard of it until the interview he did with the Baptist publication where he responded to a direwct question about how he feels about gay marriage?

I don't know anything about the two organizations you mentioned, but is that all they do, is that all they exist for, is that their stated purpsoe, to deny rights to gays? Or, possibly might they do some other things that just might benefit society? Just asking, I don't know the answers.

[Saticon3]

Exactly and then they will expect us to pay for their diabetes and heart conditions medical care. I have never eaten at chick fila. Why would you want to be poisoned by crap like that?

right, those fruit cups and salads I get there are real killers, just like the grilled chicken, I wish I could stop.