Newsflash!!!

[OriginalColtsFan]

OCF I like and respect you and your opinions and you maybe right. However I'm choosing not to think about the past anymore and moving on to this year. Joe has young talented weapons around him that have upside and I'm looking forward to seeing them. They are knee deep in contract talks with Flacco's agent Joe Linta (per Aaron Wilson). They were one dropped pass away from going to the Superbowl, I can't ignore that. I can't ignore the growth of Torrey Smith, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta and the other young weapons on offense. If I'm wrong and things end up being the same then I'll eat humble pie and admit I was wrong. If I'm wrong I'll be right there with you backing you up. I'm not going to convince you to change your mind, it would be wrong for me to do that at this point. Harbaugh and Cameron will have to prove that things have changed and if they do I know you will react to what you see. Again I respect you and I understand how you feel but I'm going to slowly give them a chance (at least for now).

You're the man, SugarRay. I've always enjoyed discussing football with you, and continue to enjoy discussing football with you!!

[SugarRay52]

You're the man, SugarRay. I've always enjoyed discussing football with you, and continue to enjoy discussing football with you!!

I feel the same way, we will see how things play out on offense this year. I am still tired of the Flacco hate, my cousin foolishly told me that Flacco should compete with Curtis Painter for his starting job (true story). I offered to personally drive and check him into Sheppard Pratt. The haters think it's so easy to replace him but that is so far from the truth. Can Joe's replacement lead the Ravens to 4 straight playoff appearances, stay healthy for 16 games, handle playing the tough AFC North teams, throw well in cold weather, and of course beat the Steelers with Big Ben.

[RavingManiac]

Greg Cosell IS in the business of breaking down film, he DID break down Cameron's offense, and what he saw was a high-schoolish, predictable offense -- the same as most Ravens fans who have been watching the team since Cam Cameron arrived. So please just shut up with the lame apologist crap trying to defend the indefensible, okay?

Cam sucks, Cavanugh sucks, Billick sucks, I might be missing someone else that sucks. Billick had one of the best offenses in NFL history yet he comes here and can't call a good play to save his life. Cam set records in San Diego yet is clueless when he comes here. Do these people just forget everything they have ever learned as soon as they come to Baltimore? Someone said earlier Cam does not use the middle of the field. For the sake of argument, lets say this is true. Does Cam just not understand how to use the middle of the field? Are plays that use the middle of the field just too complex for him to design? If he just does not know how to use the middle of the field, why wouldn't he just watch other team's game film and copy their plays to use the middle of the field and that way it would look like he knew how to use the middle of the field.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Cam sucks, Cavanugh sucks, Billick sucks, I might be missing someone else that sucks. Billick had one of the best offenses in NFL history yet he comes here and can't call a good play to save his life. Cam set records in San Diego yet is clueless when he comes here. Do these people just forget everything they have ever learned as soon as they come to Baltimore? Someone said earlier Cam does not use the middle of the field. For the sake of argument, lets say this is true. Does Cam just not understand how to use the middle of the field? Are plays that use the middle of the field just too complex for him to design? If he just does not know how to use the middle of the field, why wouldn't he just watch other team's game film and copy their plays to use the middle of the field and that way it would look like he knew how to use the middle of the field.

1. A Gatorade bucket could have run that offense in Minny. And, in fact, it was "Brainy Brian's" ineptitude that cost the Vikes a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Even one of the opposing team's defensive players was aghast, and said so straight up in an interview that I saw on NFL Network, at the stupid play calling on Billick's part that allowed them to get back into the game and eventually win it.

2. What "great" offense did Cameron design in S.D.? His most prolific WR was his TE, Gates, and that's while having VJ on board? His offense was LT and Gates. Again...not much anyone else couldn't have devised. AND, both QBs did significantly better AFTER Cameron was gone.

3. Regarding the rest of your questions...good questions. Let me know when you find the answers.

The bottom line with Cam Cameron is this: good OC's gear their planning around the QBs strengths rather than trying to shoe horn them into rigid, preconceived strategies. Cam Cameron simply does not do that, and it shows.

[SimiValleyFan]

Greg Cosell IS in the business of breaking down film, he DID break down Cameron's offense, and what he saw was a high-schoolish, predictable offense -- the same as most Ravens fans who have been watching the team since Cam Cameron arrived. So please just shut up with the lame apologist crap trying to defend the indefensible, okay?

Amen.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Amen.

It really makes you wonder who these people are that keep running to Cameron's defense, doesn't it? The organization was so dissatisfied with Cameron that reports of his remaining last year only because of the stirke-shortened preseason were rampant. So obviously the organization itself saw problems. Yet they then turned around and retained his "services" for 2012. THAT'S the real mystery. But as they say...ya get what ya pay for. And they paid for Cameron, now they've got him.

[RavingManiac]

1. A Gatorade bucket could have run that offense in Minny. And, in fact, it was "Brainy Brian's" ineptitude that cost the Vikes a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Even one of the opposing team's defensive players was aghast, and said so straight up in an interview that I saw on NFL Network, at the stupid play calling on Billick's part that allowed them to get back into the game and eventually win it.

2. What "great" offense did Cameron design in S.D.? His most prolific WR was his TE, Gates, and that's while having VJ on board? His offense was LT and Gates. Again...not much anyone else couldn't have devised. AND, both QBs did significantly better AFTER Cameron was gone.

3. Regarding the rest of your questions...good questions. Let me know when you find the answers.

The bottom line with Cam Cameron is this: good OC's gear their planning around the QBs strengths rather than trying to shoe horn them into rigid, preconceived strategies. Cam Cameron simply does not do that, and it shows.

Gates was the best tight end in all of the nfl. Why wouldn't Cam use him the most? Are you really dogging Cam because he used Antonio Gates too much? If he used Gates considerably less then would you come up with a "you have the best tight end in the game and he is afraid to use him..." I just gave you two offensive coordinators who set records in the nfl and your response is basically 'Anybody could do that". Well nobody did it in the history of the nfl. Nobody. Go Ravens!!

[OriginalColtsFan]

Gates was the best tight end in all of the nfl. Why wouldn't Cam use him the most? Are you really dogging Cam because he used Antonio Gates too much? If he used Gates considerably less then would you come up with a "you have the best tight end in the game and he is afraid to use him..." I just gave you two offensive coordinators who set records in the nfl and your response is basically 'Anybody could do that". Well nobody did it in the history of the nfl. Nobody. Go Ravens!!

Believe what you want. I'm not going to argue these irrelevant points with you any further (i.e. what Billick did with the Vikes; what Cameron did or didn't do with the Bolts, etc). The book on Cameron with the Ravens is in; and either you see it, or you don't.

[tigercruise]

For all of those who are simply spouting, "It's Pre-Season" consider this. Flacco almost got seriously injured in that "pre-season" 1st qtr. Since it's only "pre-season" should we not be concerned about that? Should we not be concerned that the organization did nothing to improve the o-line?

For those who love Cam Cam, good for you. But watching that horrible first quarter I got that sickening feeling that nothing's changed with respect to the offense - nothing. I feel sorry for Flacco. He's got the tools and the talent. The only problem is he's handcuffed by a stubborn OC who couldn't run a high school offense.

[OriginalColtsFan]

For all of those who are simply spouting, "It's Pre-Season" consider this. Flacco almost got seriously injured in that "pre-season" 1st qtr. Since it's only "pre-season" should we not be concerned about that? Should we not be concerned that the organization did nothing to improve the o-line?

For those who love Cam Cam, good for you. But watching that horrible first quarter I got that sickening feeling that nothing's changed with respect to the offense - nothing. I feel sorry for Flacco. He's got the tools and the talent. The only problem his he's handcuffed by a stubborn OC who couldn't run a high school offense.

And when you read news accounts of other teams with poor O-lines, there's always a point being made that the O-line has to be beefed up in order to protect the QB. But never anything like that when it comes to Joe. It's clearly no less valid; it's just that it's ignored. But as you and I and others have said -- if that continues Joe won't make it through the entire season, and if he does, he'll be beat up like the loser in a heavy weight bout.

[RAVEN FAN]

hey people it is only pre season i agree Cam still stinks . the coach has to look at all the players at least 40--50 wont be here at the start of the season. we even get some more free agents. if Cam screws up he will i hope be let go. god luck to the RAVENS

[Peej7245]

And when you read news accounts of other teams with poor O-lines, there's always a point being made that the O-line has to be beefed up in order to protect the QB. But never anything like that when it comes to Joe. It's clearly no less valid; it's just that it's ignored. But as you and I and others have said -- if that continues Joe won't make it through the entire season, and if he does, he'll be beat up like the loser in a heavy weight bout.

While I have reservations about Cam's overall performance, the comment about Flacco being "beat up..." is questionable on your part. Flacco has taken a lot of hits - think the Houston games - and always got up and continued to make plays.

I believe that Flacco will continue to get better, and REALLY believe that Flacco is so stong that he shrugs off most hits and keeps his mind on making the next play.

[OriginalColtsFan]

While I have reservations about Cam's overall performance, the comment about Flacco being "beat up..." is questionable on your part. Flacco has taken a lot of hits - think the Houston games - and always got up and continued to make plays.

I believe that Flacco will continue to get better, and REALLY believe that Flacco is so stong that he shrugs off most hits and keeps his mind on making the next play.

"Questionable on my part"? That's absurd. I'm not talking about Flacco not having heart; I'm talking about a limit to what a person can endure before he can't continue. He's not super man. And the Ravens did NOT do what needed to be done to protect a franchise QB.

[Peej7245]

"Questionable on my part"? That's absurd. I'm not talking about Flacco not having heart; I'm talking about a limit to what a person can endure before he can't continue. He's not super man. And the Ravens did NOT do what needed to be done to protect a franchise QB.

Nor am I referring to his "heart". The plain fact is that Flacco is a BIG guy who is athletic as well.

We've all seen him take some vicious hits and shake them off for four seasons now.

Let's relax until the regular season is over.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Nor am I referring to his "heart". The plain fact is that Flacco is a BIG guy who is athletic as well.

We've all seen him take some vicious hits and shake them off for four seasons now.

Let's relax until the regular season is over.

Let me just say...

that's about the most idiotic thing I've ever heard you say (and you've come up with some real duds over the years.) Joe isn't vulnerable to getting hurt because he's BIG? Are you for real?

[SugarRay52]

Let me just say...

you're an idiot, okay?

Lets be civil here guys, OCF I do agree with you about the Oline issues. In reality we do have to see how it plays out but it's ok to be concerned right now.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Lets be civil here guys, OCF I do agree with you about the Oline issues. In reality we do have to see how it plays out but it's ok to be concerned right now.

This guy thinks Joe is invincible because he's "BIG", and that's not idiotic? C'mon, man.

[SugarRay52]

This guy thinks Joe is invincible because he's "BIG", and that's not idiotic? C'mon, man.

Yes it was wrong for him to say that, Joe is human just like the rest of us so he's capable of getting hurt. However no need to call him an idiot since he's a Joe supporter just you and I. We'll see how things play out when the season starts, hopefully they fix the Oline issues.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Yes it was wrong for him to say that, Joe is human just like the rest of us so he's capable of getting hurt. However no need to call him an idiot since he's a Joe supporter just you and I. We'll see how things play out when the season starts, hopefully they fix the Oline issues.

How can you say he's a Joe supporter? A Joe supporter would clearly understand the danger of putting Joe out there with that makeshift O-line and unproven WRs. It's like the guy is living on another planet. But hey...that's just my 2 cents. But to call someone who says something as idiotic as that an idiot is wrong? Say it ain't so, bro.



Now...as for you...

"fix the Oline issues"? Just how do you propose they're going to do that? They don't have Grubbs. Birk is a year older. McKinnie can't just say no to food. Again...I say to you...C'MON, MAN!!

[SugarRay52]

How can you say he's a Joe supporter? A Joe supporter would clearly understand the danger of putting Joe out there with that makeshift O-line and unproven WRs. It's like the guy is living on another planet. But hey...that's just my 2 cents. But to call someone who says something as idiotic as that an idiot is wrong? Say it ain't so, bro.



Now...as for you...

"fix the Oline issues"? Just how do you propose they're going to do that? They don't have Grubbs. Birk is a year older. McKinnie can't just say no to food. Again...I say to you...C'MON, MAN!!

Peej has always defended Joe, you could have used your words more differently, example: "That was a stupid thing to say". What he said was stupid and idiotic but it doesn't mean he's an idiot. I have called some people on this board some bad things but I have regretted it everytime.

Far as fixing the Oline, as I have stated before they are running a lot more no huddle packages this year which limits the amount of time the Oline has to block. You have to realize that Joe Flacco's performance in the AFC Title game basically saved Cameron's job and convinced them not to make a hard run at Peyton Manning. Joe Flacco has talked about wanting to become an elite QB (or the best QB) and elite QBs for the most part mask certain problem areas. Joe has to make Torrey, LaQuan and the other weapons around him better and of course Cameron has to put them in the right situation to play at a high level. I think they are finally trying to make things better for Joe, players have to execute too.

You may not have high hopes for Torrey Smith and the other young WRs but I do. What happens on the field will determine how we feel about the Ravens chances this year. I'm not going to convince you to change your opinion but I'm moving forward, not looking back.