Fact Check: Obama running against outdated version of Ryan Medicare plan

[Fang]

Published August 20, 2012 - The Obama campaign would like voters to believe that Paul Ryan's Medicare plan would "end Medicare as we know it" -- privatizing the whole system and costing seniors more than $6,000 extra a year.

But the campaign, even before Ryan was selected as Mitt Romney's running mate, has effectively been running against the wrong Ryan plan.

The president's accusations largely refer to Ryan's 2011 plan, ignoring the fact that the House Budget Committee chairman rolled out a different version in 2012 -- taking into account Democratic critiques. Though the 2012 plan is more moderate, Obama and his surrogates have all but ignored the newer version as they amp up their accusations against the Romney-Ryan ticket.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...medicare-plan/



Nothing new here. Obama is running on nothing but lies.

[naive]

Nothing new here. Obama is running on nothing but lies.[/QUOTE]

Pretty funny..So, since the only ad to be proven by Fact Checker to be 100% accurate during this campaign is an Obama ad, what is it then that Romney is running on? Certainly can't be the truth, right?

[Fang]

Nothing new here. Obama is running on nothing but lies.

Pretty funny..So, since the only ad to be proven by Fact Checker to be 100% accurate during this campaign is an Obama ad, what is it then that Romney is running on? Certainly can't be the truth, right?[/QUOTE]

Can you address the topic that Obama is running against the wrong Ryan plan?

[naive]

Pretty funny..So, since the only ad to be proven by Fact Checker to be 100% accurate during this campaign is an Obama ad, what is it then that Romney is running on? Certainly can't be the truth, right?

Can you address the topic that Obama is running against the wrong Ryan plan?[/QUOTE]

LOL..

I made a comment on this false statement you made in the topic.:
"Obama is running on nothing but lies."

According to fact checker, the above statement is false, so you receive 4 big Pinocchios for your lie...

So the lie you made was in the thread..I commented on it...

[Fang]

Can you address the topic that Obama is running against the wrong Ryan plan?

LOL..

I made a comment on this false statement you made in the topic.:
"Obama is running on nothing but lies."

According to fact checker, the above statement is false, so you receive 4 big Pinocchios for your lie...

So the lie you made was in the thread..I commented on it...[/QUOTE]

I didn't think so. All you Liberals can do is drag the conversation into the mud and hope no one notices.

[naive]

To stay on topic after 4 buck Fang got owned on his own thread already...


Who cares...They will rip this plan apart too....

Romney/Ryan suck and I can't wait until this is over with....

4 more years..!!!

Done deal...

Next..

[CajunRaven]

To stay on topic after 4 buck Fang got owned on his own thread already...


Who cares...They will rip this plan apart too....

Romney/Ryan suck and I can't wait until this is over with....

4 more years..!!!

Done deal...

Next..

So do Ron Wyden, Alice Rivlin and Erskine Bowles suck as well?

[Creekman]

Nothing new here. Obama is running on nothing but lies.

Ayn Ryan has been on the national scene for a week and he has already been caught in one lie after the other.

Here is the biggest one:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...p_ref=politics

[gps29070]

Roddy Piper quote fits here... Just when they think they have the answers, I change the questions!"

That's exactly what Romney and the GOP does,

[naive]

So do Ron Wyden, Alice Rivlin and Erskine Bowles suck as well?

and they said what about Ryan's medicare plan?

[naive]

Roddy Piper quote fits here... Just when they think they have the answers, I change the questions!"

That's exactly what Romney and the GOP does,

Another 1 of Pipers' quotes could be used as the Romney/Ryan campaign slogan:

Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat....

[NCBirdfan]

Pretty funny..So, since the only ad to be proven by Fact Checker to be 100% accurate during this campaign is an Obama ad, what is it then that Romney is running on? Certainly can't be the truth, right?

Can you address the topic that Obama is running against the wrong Ryan plan?

What is different in the "new and improved" plan from the previous plan?

[Fang]

What is different in the "new and improved" plan from the previous plan?

How would you like me to summarize the article for you? Bullet point format? An essay? Would you like a cover page with your report?

[soulflower]

Let's talk about whats in Ryan's budget. 4 trillion in tax cuts. 1 trillion in spending cuts. And for the rest we'll have to pass it first to get more specifics on what he actually would cut. That's what passes as a 'serious' budget?

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/showthread.php?t=320183

[NCBirdfan]

How would you like me to summarize the article for you? Bullet point format? An essay? Would you like a cover page with your report?

It's still the same old plan with a bit of paint over the a foundation. I was looking for something a bit more dramatic than what was in the Fox News article. And I was asking you specifically, what is it that makes it all that better than the first plan? You don't need to bullet point or put in essay form...just answer my simple question, please.

[Phineas Finn]

Pretty funny..So, since the only ad to be proven by Fact Checker to be 100% accurate during this campaign is an Obama ad, what is it then that Romney is running on? Certainly can't be the truth, right?

Can you address the topic that Obama is running against the wrong Ryan plan?

Ryan's 2012 budget plan was nothing but an election-year watering down of his 2011 ideologically-rooted disaster. Why would anyone believe that if elected both he and Romney wouldn't be pressured by the far right to put forward the 2011 plan?

Given the Tea-Party influence on the Republican Party, if they gain the White House and the Senate, their base is going to demand that they take the "mandate" as far to the right as possible.

The dangerous thing about Paul Ryan is that he believes in the 2011 plan, and Mitt Romney knew that when he picked him to be his running mate.

[NCBirdfan]

Originally Posted by Fang
How would you like me to summarize the article for you? Bullet point format? An essay? Would you like a cover page with your report?

It's still the same old plan with a bit of paint over the a foundation. I was looking for something a bit more dramatic than what was in the Fox News article. And I was asking you specifically, what is it that makes it all that better than the first plan? You don't need to bullet point or put in essay form...just answer my simple question, please.

Bueller?........................Bueller?

[CajunRaven]

Bueller?........................Bueller?

His latest plan is the one he developed with Wyden, democrat, which includes an option to stay in the current system.

[CajunRaven]

and they said what about Ryan's medicare plan?

Wyden and Ryan worked together on the new plan.

http://budget.house.gov/bipartisanhe...s/default.aspx

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/wydenryan.pdf

Alice Rivlin has previously proposed a voucher type system.

http://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/201...remium-support

"I believe that a well-crafted bipartisan bill that introduces a premium support model while preserving traditional Medicare can help achieve these goals."

Erskin Bowles:


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/e...003642883.html

A video of former Clinton White House chief of staff Erskine Bowles began circulating in conservative news outlets today. In the clip, the Democratic co-chair of President Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform gives high praises to Paul Ryan's budget plan.

"I'm telling you, this guy is amazing. I always thought I was OK with arithmetic. This guy can run circles around me," Bowles tells a class of students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

"He is honest, he is straightforward, he is sincere. And the budget he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit just like we did by four trillion dollars."

The video was shot on September 8, 2011, but was just uploaded to YouTube yesterday. What's striking is that not only does Bowles, a former U.S. Senate candidate from North Carolina, praise Ryan's effort, but he is also highly critical of the budget offered by President Obama. More from the video:

"The president came out with his own plan. And the president, as you remember, came out with a budget. And I don't think anybody took that budget very seriously," Bowles continues.

[Phineas Finn]

So do Ron Wyden, Alice Rivlin and Erskine Bowles suck as well?

Be careful what you read in right-wing sites. Ryan seems to be playing fast and loose with the truth regarding the bipartisanship of his budget work.

Each of them has stepped away a bit from the extremism in Ryan's plan.

Rivlin: "Rivlin was not happy to see herself being held up as Ryan’s partner on a bill that bore little resemblance to their deal, especially since, right before he released the budget, Rivlin had told him she couldn’t support it."

Wyden: "But what ultimately came out months later in Ryan’s next budget didn’t look to Wyden like what he’d signed on for. In the 2012 budget, Ryan agreed to keep traditional Medicare as an option. In the white paper, Ryan had agreed to Wyden’s demand that if Medicare costs exceeded an agreed-upon cap, the costs would be covered by insurance providers—not beneficiaries. Ryan’s budget cut the cap in half—and lost the guarantee. Wyden made his opposition known: He voted against the budget (which also repealed the Affordable Care Act entirely), which he argued shifted costs onto the most vulnerable, and let Ryan know that the new budget was not the same as Ryan-Wyden."

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...bipartisanship


Bowles (has the most praise for Ryan's budget plan, but his support did not address the Medicare changes): "Bowles has his own issues with Ryan’s plan (which at one point in the video below he calls “radical”), but Bowles acknowledges this as a good-faith effort to fix the structural crisis in American finances. . . . One should not come away with the impression that Bowles supports the Ryan budget. However, it’s clear that Bowles has a great deal more respect for Ryan’s efforts than he does for Barack Obama’s. . . . "

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/1...onest-serious/