I think we're in for a rude awakening!

[West Chester Raven]

Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner! You are are 100% correct! That is exactly what we have. He is just OK. That is why Ray has a contract and Joe doesn't people. Joe will get taken care of later - based on how things go. He is fine - I want him here - but if we think we're going to lean on him and he is going to carry our team this year you are dreaming. P.S. The Patriots pass defense was atrocious last year. Don't get too drunk on the AFC title game. He sucked *** against the Texans the week prior. He did get that pass off to Lee Evans and that should have done it - but it was still against a suck-*** pass defense starting a WR at corner.

Having said all of that - I still think Joe is a workmanlike player and we need him. It's just that he is a role player and can't carry the team. Very few QB's can.
The good news is that we have our best offensive player under contract for another 5 years. That is a cornerstone to work around. Now we need to augment the line.

[Ravens2006]

...I love Joe Flacco, but the truth is, he's a *much* better quarterback statistically when he has fewer passing attempts. When the number of pass attempts per game for him go up, his statistics go down. He doesn't seem to realize this judging by his public comments, but hopefully the coaching staff does realize it. You've got a guy in Flacco who can be a pretty good QB and help us win games for years to come in the right system- but if you trying to make him a Payton Manning or a Tom Brady who throws the whole game, and defenses key on the pass, it exposes his weaknesses and makes him much less than he otherwise is.

Disclaimer: These are all "regular season" numbers since pro-football-reference.com sorts them neatly that way, and I just didn't take the time to include perusing post-season numbers...

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Peyton Manning is 3-17. He's thrown more INTs than TDs in those 20 outings.

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Aaron Rodgers is 8-12.

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Ben Roethlisberger is 8-12.

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Philip Rivers is 4-16.

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Eli Manning is 7-13.

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Joe Flacco is 9-11. His completion percentage is a fraction higher in those outings than his overall. His TD / INT numbers are 27-22, but 10 of those INTs came in 3 games. He's at 25-to-12 in the other 17 contests.

In his top 6 career outings for passing attempts, he's 4-2. When Joe throws over 40 times, he's 4-3 with 12 TDs and 4 INTs.

Brady by the way is 12-8...

[West Chester Raven]

Disclaimer: These are all "regular season" numbers since pro-football-reference.com sorts them neatly that way, and I just didn't take the time to include perusing post-season numbers...

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Peyton Manning is 3-17. He's thrown more INTs than TDs in those 20 outings.

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Aaron Rodgers is 8-12.

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Ben Roethlisberger is 8-12.

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Philip Rivers is 4-16.

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Eli Manning is 7-13.

In his top 20 career games for number of attempts, Joe Flacco is 9-11. His completion percentage is a fraction higher in those outings than his overall. His TD / INT numbers are 27-22, but 10 of those INTs came in 3 games. He's at 25-to-12 in the other 17 contests.

In his top 6 career outings for passing attempts, he's 4-2. When Joe throws over 40 times, he's 4-3 with 12 TDs and 4 INTs.

Brady by the way is 12-8...

I got news for you friend. Joe Flacco is going into YEAR 5! What you see is what you get. He isn't even in the conversation in terms of comparing with those guys you listed. Outside of charm city or his "bro's" from the University of Delaware nobody thinks Joe is anything other than a mid-tier QB. There is no shame in that - let's not pretend he is somethng else.
He doesn't have a contract right now for a reason.

[18-87-44-29]

I got news for you friend. Joe Flacco is going into YEAR 5! What you see is what you get. He isn't even in the conversation in terms of comparing with those guys you listed. Outside of charm city or his "bro's" from the University of Delaware nobody thinks Joe is anything other than a mid-tier QB. There is no shame in that - let's not pretend he is somethng else.
He doesn't have a contract right now for a reason.

This gentleman seems wise.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I got news for you friend. Joe Flacco is going into YEAR 5! What you see is what you get. He isn't even in the conversation in terms of comparing with those guys you listed. Outside of charm city or his "bro's" from the University of Delaware nobody thinks Joe is anything other than a mid-tier QB. There is no shame in that - let's not pretend he is somethng else.
He doesn't have a contract right now for a reason.

Considering what Joe has done with that crap O-line and those crap WRs, he's in the conversation with ANY of those QBs.

[mcorioles]

Considering what Joe has done with that crap O-line and those crap WRs, he's in the conversation with ANY of those QBs.

Not to mention how many elite Qb's have the best all around back in the league? Joe is doing what is asked of him. Ray Rice takes yards away from Flacco because they utilize him often. Go look at Eli's stats the first 5 years, Joe's are better. Some QB's take longer to reach their "peak" some sit for a few years and learn on the job. Joe will be fine if his Wr's hold onto the ball.

[SugarRay52]

I got news for you friend. Joe Flacco is going into YEAR 5! What you see is what you get. He isn't even in the conversation in terms of comparing with those guys you listed. Outside of charm city or his "bro's" from the University of Delaware nobody thinks Joe is anything other than a mid-tier QB. There is no shame in that - let's not pretend he is somethng else.
He doesn't have a contract right now for a reason.

If you actually took the time to read you son of a ***** you would know they are already in contract talks with Joe. If you also looked at the 2013 QB list for free agency it's ugly with Joe and Matt Schaub leading the way. Pat Kirwin from CBSSportsline was at Ravens camp a couple of weeks ago and he was told that the Ravens already have a contract structure in place for Flacco. Flacco is going to get a contract from the Ravens it's just a matter of how much and when, not if you jackass. You want Flacco gone just admit it, the Flacco haters are getting desperate and it's a beautiful thing to watch LOL.

[Ravens2006]

The point, obviously missed, was that while we hear the line that "the more Joe throws, the worse he gets" echoed somewhat frequently... it's worth noting that MOST QBs statistically regress as they are called upon to throw more often. There are reasons for that, beyond JUST the QB. As many have pointed out, and as it STILL remains an issue, there are contributing factors at WR and on OL that are worth noting when evaluating Joe's capabilities and performance.

And yes, Joe Flacco doesn't have a new contract yet because there is a business side to contract negotiations that the Ravens follow with EVERY marquee / top tier player these days. Joe hasn't spent a single day yet under the "franchise tag" like the untouchable and all-important Ray Rice did. You know, the Ray Rice that many would lead you to believe is the only reason Joe can even tie his shoes in the morning. He hasn't spent one second on the market as a free agent, as future HoF'er Ray Lewis briefly did a few years back. Ozzie and company just generally don't renew early anymore, even with their best players. 2011 NFL DPOY Terrell Suggs spent time under the franchise tag. Haloti Ngata spent time under the franchise tag. Should we believe those were signs that Ozzie and company really weren't all THAT convinced in the abilities of Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, Haloti Ngata, or Terrell Suggs?

I get that you've got some sort of issue with Flacco in general, it's obvious. But be careful how much you twist the facts to try to make a point... eventually it breaks down.

[AntiMoon]

Joe against Hou in the playoffs: 2 TD's 0 INT's passer rating over 100. Yeah he was terrible.

[West Chester Raven]

If you actually took the time to read you son of a ***** you would know they are already in contract talks with Joe. If you also looked at the 2013 QB list for free agency it's ugly with Joe and Matt Schaub leading the way. Pat Kirwin from CBSSportsline was at Ravens camp a couple of weeks ago and he was told that the Ravens already have a contract structure in place for Flacco. Flacco is going to get a contract from the Ravens it's just a matter of how much and when, not if you jackass. You want Flacco gone just admit it, the Flacco haters are getting desperate and it's a beautiful thing to watch LOL.

I read plenty my friend. Joe will get a contract but he wasn't the priority. He isn't signed. Period. Ray Rice is. The fact that they are in "talks" means nothing. No kidding they are in "talks". They've been in "talks" for a long time.
"It's a matter of how much and when". Well that is brilliant. No kidding. It's the how much part that is the stickler. Let's see how the season plays out. There aren't a lot of options out there - that is for sure. Maybe he gets signed before the season starts.
I'm no Flacco hater. You don't have a leg to stand on.

[AntiMoon]

Rice was the priority because he was a FA this year. Joe is a FA after this year. Rice is the better player but I guarantee you Flacco is the bigger priority. Why? This is a QB league not a RB league

[West Chester Raven]

Joe against Hou in the playoffs: 2 TD's 0 INT's passer rating over 100. Yeah he was terrible.

Yeah you're right. He lit it up. Let's look into that deeper:
He completed 51% of his passes and threw for 176 yards. His passer rating was 97. He completed 14 passes and attempted 27. Nice job skirting around those inconvenient figures. Oh - his average pass went for 6.52 yards. Brilliant. Can you say dump-off? Leading receivers: Boldin and Rice both of whom caught 4 passes.
Such a brilliant performance that our perennial pro-bowl safety and legit hall of famer Ed Reed (God Bless him) called him out and said he played "scared". Yep. he was awesome that day. I think Ed saved that game for us.

[SugarRay52]

Yeah you're right. He lit it up. Let's look into that deeper:
He completed 51% of his passes and threw for 176 yards. His passer rating was 97. He completed 14 passes and attempted 27. Nice job skirting around those inconvenient figures. Oh - his average pass went for 6.52 yards. Brilliant. Can you say dump-off? Leading receivers: Boldin and Rice both of whom caught 4 passes.
Such a brilliant performance that our perennial pro-bowl safety and legit hall of famer Ed Reed (God Bless him) called him out and said he played "scared". Yep. he was awesome that day. I think Ed saved that game for us.

Yes you don't hate Joe Flacco, that's so convincing. It doesn't matter he's going to get paid at least $85-$90 (per Aaron Wilson who tweeted me that and Jason LaCanfora said it could end up being $100mil). I'm pretty sure that would piss you off. Mike freakin Preston has acknowledged that this is the best he's seen Joe and he's been one of Joe's hardest critics. Maybe it's time you just give in and cut the guy a break, you'll be a better man for it.

[AntiMoon]

I never said Joe played great. He did almost all of his damage in the 1st quarter and was mediocre the rest of the way. But the people who say he was horrible in that game are just as wrong. Ravens got beat on both lines of scrimmage, had no pass protection and opened no holes for R Rice. If not for Yates we lose the game.

[Rael]

I read plenty my friend. Joe will get a contract but he wasn't the priority. He isn't signed. Period. Ray Rice is. The fact that they are in "talks" means nothing. No kidding they are in "talks". They've been in "talks" for a long time.
"It's a matter of how much and when". Well that is brilliant. No kidding. It's the how much part that is the stickler. Let's see how the season plays out. There aren't a lot of options out there - that is for sure. Maybe he gets signed before the season starts.
I'm no Flacco hater. You don't have a leg to stand on.

Rice was signed before Flacco because Rice was a free agent a year before Flacco. Simple as that. Now, if Joe is holding out of mandatory practices next year longer than Ray did this year, your argument might start to at least have the semblance of logic.

[dreamjo]

The point, obviously missed, was that while we hear the line that "the more Joe throws, the worse he gets" echoed somewhat frequently... it's worth noting that MOST QBs statistically regress as they are called upon to throw more often. There are reasons for that, beyond JUST the QB. As many have pointed out, and as it STILL remains an issue, there are contributing factors at WR and on OL that are worth noting when evaluating Joe's capabilities and performance.

And yes, Joe Flacco doesn't have a new contract yet because there is a business side to contract negotiations that the Ravens follow with EVERY marquee / top tier player these days. Joe hasn't spent a single day yet under the "franchise tag" like the untouchable and all-important Ray Rice did. You know, the Ray Rice that many would lead you to believe is the only reason Joe can even tie his shoes in the morning. He hasn't spent one second on the market as a free agent, as future HoF'er Ray Lewis briefly did a few years back. Ozzie and company just generally don't renew early anymore, even with their best players. 2011 NFL DPOY Terrell Suggs spent time under the franchise tag. Haloti Ngata spent time under the franchise tag. Should we believe those were signs that Ozzie and company really weren't all THAT convinced in the abilities of Ray Lewis, Ray Rice, Haloti Ngata, or Terrell Suggs?

I get that you've got some sort of issue with Flacco in general, it's obvious. But be careful how much you twist the facts to try to make a point... eventually it breaks down.

Worth repeating.

[AntiMoon]

ross tucker "Flacco is a stud. Anybody that can't see that needs help. Whisenhunt would cut off a pinkie to get him to be his QB"

[SugarRay52]

ross tucker "Flacco is a stud. Anybody that can't see that needs help. Whisenhunt would cut off a pinkie to get him to be his QB"

Exactly, if Flacco were to hit the open market next year (which isn't going to happen) I know Arizona would roll out the red carpet for him. Some of the clowns in this town need to wave the white flag and just cut the man some slack, he's pretty damn good.

[AntiMoon]

fans focus on the 7 teams with better Qb's and not the 20 with worse. human nature

[SugarRay52]

fans focus on the 7 teams with better Qb's and not the 20 with worse. human nature

That's true, Skip Bayless looks he's coming around a bit:

"realskipbayless Skip Bayless
Feels like John Harbaugh is trying to convince us Flacco can be Brees. 27 of 36 for 266 tonite?! Picking up where left off in AFC title game
22 minutes ago Reply Retweet"

By the way Moon nice call on the Ravens offense not doing much tonight LOL, I had to get you on that one LOL.