Del. Don Dwyer involved in boating accident

[Norman]

Your use of "enters treatment program" made me think he was entering now, just as the General Assembly is going into session.

It was't my use...that was the headline of the article as it appeared.

[Baltimatt]

Norman--

Sorry, I'm not trying to get in a fight with you. It's just reading the present-tense headline made me think he was entering now.

[octoburn]

Dwyer Admits Using 'Alcohol to Cope,' Enters Treatment Program





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I hope he doesn't own any guns, or voluntarily turns them in if he does, especially anyone with that bad of a problem with alcohol ~ even requiring "extensive aftercare counseling" to help them cope with it. As this case proves, such safety considerations after the fact will not change what happened when safety was ignored in the first place.

[Dryfire]

Assuming that's why he did it. I know I read much skepticism when other political or entertainment people do it in advance of criminal proceedings.

Only his actions and time will tell if he is serious about his sobriety. Maybe this accident was his eye opener that he did have a problem. I wish him the best if he is truly serious about getting sober.

[Dryfire]

I hope he doesn't own any guns, or voluntarily turns them in if he does, especially anyone with that bad of a problem with alcohol ~ even requiring "extensive aftercare counseling" to help them cope with it. As this case proves, such safety considerations after the fact will not change what happened when safety was ignored in the first place.

Get real and grow up, burnie. Just because he's an alcoholic doesn't mean he would endanger some one with a gun.

You know, sometimes I wonder if you have to constantly cut other people down so you feel good about yourself. Are you the classic self righteous with an inferiority complex type?

[octoburn]

Get real and grow up, burnie. Just because he's an alcoholic doesn't mean he would endanger some one with a gun.

You know, sometimes I wonder if you have to constantly cut other people down so you feel good about yourself. Are you the classic self righteous with an inferiority complex type?

Drunk driving on the road or water is reckless and demonstrates a total lack of responsibility beforehand. You can make excuses for it if you like. I will not. "Growing up" means sobriety when operating any type of vehicle. Like it or not ~ this was news, as unpleasant as it seems to be for you to admit.

[Dryfire]

Drunk driving on the road or water is reckless and demonstrates a total lack of responsibility beforehand. You can make excuses for it if you like. I will not. "Growing up" means sobriety when operating any type of vehicle. Like it or not ~ this was news, as unpleasant as it seems to be for you to admit.

So, I take that you don't believe alcoholism is a disease. It's just not "growing up" as you state it. Okay

[genghiskhanraven]

"As many of you know, this culminated in a serious boat accident in August when the boat I was operating was struck by another vessel."

his statment is technically true.
I guess if I was $H&+ faced drunk and cut across my lane sideways into the path of another car, the other car would be the one that ends up striking me.
Like all good politicians no need for him not to spin it and mention the details.

[octoburn]

Didn't he also have a law enforcement officer with him on the boat at the time? If that did not cause him to exercise proper judgment about what to do when drinking, that what in the world would have?

And let's not forget that this is the same elected official that wanted to impeach another elected official.

[Dryfire]

Didn't he also have a law enforcement officer with him on the boat at the time? If that did not cause him to exercise proper judgment about what to do when drinking, that what in the world would have?

And let's not forget that this is the same elected official that wanted to impeach another elected official.

Yes he did have an LEO on board. That leads to more questions. Why did the LEO allow him to man the helm? It was the LEO's obligation to stop him from running the boat. Was the LEO intoxicated? Wasn't the operator of the other boat intoxicated, too?

Why haven't you taken a stand against Kumar Barve? He was convicted of a DWI and he's still in the MDGA.

[octoburn]

Yes he did have an LEO on board. That leads to more questions. Why did the LEO allow him to man the helm? It was the LEO's obligation to stop him from running the boat. Was the LEO intoxicated? Wasn't the operator of the other boat intoxicated, too?

Why haven't you taken a stand against Kumar Barve? He was convicted of a DWI and he's still in the MDGA.

I do not believe the other operator of the boat was intoxicated according to the reports I read. You can blame the LEO if you want, but Delegate Dwyer is a big boy and when it comes down to it, the responsibility was his and his alone. If he needs to have someone there to stop him from drinking, then he doesn't need to be driving anything, does he?

What do you think should have happened to Barve? And how many children were injured in whatever drunken escapade he (?) was ~ according to you ~ involved in? You even took a cheap shot at the current~governor's daughter on this very forum before over drinking, and yet you give Delegate Dwyer ~ an adult and a legislator ~ a pass and accuse me of "cutting other people down"?!?!?!

[demopublican]

I hope he doesn't own any guns, or voluntarily turns them in if he does, especially anyone with that bad of a problem with alcohol ~ even requiring "extensive aftercare counseling" to help them cope with it. As this case proves, such safety considerations after the fact will not change what happened when safety was ignored in the first place.

I do not think there is any legal reason for DWI offenders to surrender guns.

[octoburn]

I do not think there is any legal reason for DWI offenders to surrender guns.

There isn't. But I was wondering based on the comments attributed to Delegate Dwyer in Norman's post.

Since the delegate supposedly admitted that he used alcohol as a coping mechanism and the problem was deemed serious enough to require a treatment program ~ does that mean that it falls under the prohibitions as defined in Maryland's Public Safety – § 5–133 or Public Safety – § 5–134?

[demopublican]

(6) is a habitual drunkard;

http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/m...c_safety_5-134

I guess that would be open to interpretation.

[octoburn]

http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/m...c_safety_5-134

I guess that would be open to interpretation.

I agree. And one of the frequent complaints we often hear in the ongoing debates about guns is that we need to enforce current gun laws before we look at more gun laws. I do not know if that part of the Maryland Code applies to those who enter alcohol treatment programs to help them cope with problems.

[Dryfire]

I do not believe the other operator of the boat was intoxicated according to the reports I read. You can blame the LEO if you want, but Delegate Dwyer is a big boy and when it comes down to it, the responsibility was his and his alone. If he needs to have someone there to stop him from drinking, then he doesn't need to be driving anything, does he?

All I was doing was stating what you already said in a previous post. Don't you remember this:

[B]The story is even more disturbing if the person with him is the same person who ran for sheriff in 2006. IF that turns out to be the case, how can anyone in law enforcement allow someone they're with to operate a boat under such circumstances?!?!?!

or this

And Dwyer's BAC is unbelievable! He really is unfit to serve. I really do not understand why the law enforcement officer with him allowed him to operate a boat in that condition.

What do you think should have happened to Barve?

THe same thing that you said of Dwyer or don't you remember this

It's time for Delegate Dwyer to do the right thing and step down.

He should resign

That still doesn't excuse the horrible moral and safety failure of operating a vehicle as intoxicated as he was.

It's not a left~or~right wing thing. It's a hypocrite~who~was~SEVERAL~times~intoxicated~beyond ~the~legal~limit thingy, who should never have been behind the wheel operating a boat at any speed. While Delegate Dwyer might think his drunkeness had nothing to do with the accident in terms of "not reflecting blame" on him, the court of public opinion doesn't have to rely on anything more to consider him a hypocrite who should step down.

You even took a cheap shot at the current~governor's daughter on this very forum before over drinking, and yet you give Delegate Dwyer ~ an adult and a legislator ~ a pass and accuse me of "cutting other people down"?!?!?!

I don't remember your accusation of a cheap shot but I do remember commenting on her drinking since she was underage and the police and media were trying cover it up. By the way, did they ever find out where she got the booze and if the person who gave it to her was ever charged? Giving alcohol to a minor is illegal you know.

[octoburn]

All I was doing was stating what you already said in a previous post. Don't you remember this:



or this






THe same thing that you said of Dwyer or don't you remember this











I don't remember your accusation of a cheap shot but I do remember commenting on her drinking since she was underage and the police and media were trying cover it up. By the way, did they ever find out where she got the booze and if the person who gave it to her was ever charged? Giving alcohol to a minor is illegal you know.

No matter what the LEO did or did not do, none of that excuses the delegate from responsibility for his own actions. It just calls into question the judgment of the LEO as well.

[Dryfire]

No matter what the LEO did or did not do, none of that excuses the delegate from responsibility for his own actions. It just calls into question the judgment of the LEO as well.

You're waffling, burnie.

[octoburn]

Is he smug, ignorant, self-righteous, hypocritical, self-serving and a danger to public safety masquerading as a protector of virtue and family values or is Don Dwyer a decent, selfless, defender of the Constitution and God-fearing man who simply made an error in judgment and deserves forgiveness?...

…I don’t think I and many others would be picking on Dwyer if he were not holier than us. But he did name his boat The Legislator and put the state seal on it and then acted like a seal in a drunken state. Perhaps he should have called the boat “The Drunkinator.”…

…One has to ask: When has he ever represented his constituents fully and completely with character and trustworthiness? He’s mostly been an embarrassment in the General Assembly, but chalk up another one for his arrogance when he talks about his character and trustworthiness. Dwyer can ask for, and maybe even receive, all the forgiveness he wants, and perhaps even deserves, but that does not mean we should have him in our legislature, which reconvenes today.

Linky

Great op~ed piece!

[Dryfire]

Linky

Great op~ed piece!

I like this op~ed piece about your op-ed writer. The comments are even better. Seems that he's nothing but a whiner that constantly writes to the paper. Replace him with a cartoon. What a hoot!

http://www.capitalgazette.com/opinio...f0bbf09cc.html