RGIII beats Andrew Luck

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Taking dumb to new levels daily. All they do is game plan for him and they can't stop him.

Still waiting for those PASSING stats that show any of those other QBs are playing better than Griffin. But, like I said, you can't because they don't exist. He is a top five PASSER this season.

So what? Tony Romo always has good stats as well and he can't lead his team to anything.His stats were even better than your boy in the last game against your team which Dallas lost. Stats are for losers. Same with your rookie wonder. AGain, look at what has happened to the Colts with the addition of Luck (likely playoff team) and look at what has happened to the Redskins(likely not). No difference in WL records for your almighty Deadskins from Grossman at the helm. At best a 500 team.

How many wins do the Redskins have this year over good teams anyway? They beat the world champions last year twice with REX GROSSMAN. They aren't a better team with RGIII period. They still suck wind.This isn't fantasy football son. He hasn't elevated his team significantly at all. He is all fluff and no stuff, kind of like you. He just seems so much better than the turds you had playing the position previously.

[HAIL2BNG]

Case closed. You know not one thing about football if you think RG3 hasn't made the Redskins a better team. NOT ONE.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Case closed. You know not one thing about football if you think RG3 hasn't made the Redskins a better team. NOT ONE.

Yeah, their record really shows it. BWAAHAAAAA!

[HAIL2BNG]

Keep going to the record, Hadley. Every stat refutes your ignorance.

If a team averages 9 points more PER GAME, is that an improvement? Because that's what Griffin has done for the Redskins. Since you don't know football well, I will tell you that is a MASSIVE number.

[Slidemaster]

It doesn't make you a troll, a Yankee supporter, or a Redskins fan to see that RGIII is an excellent passer. If you really would take Romo, Weeden, or Russell Wilson over him, then again, your blinders are on.

67.5% completion. 104.6 passer rating. 16 tds to 4 Ints. 2500+ yards. Not a pocket passer? Please. Vick Jr.? Cam Light?

Vick: 58.5% completion. 11 tds to 9 ints (albeit injury shortened). 79.2 passer rating
Newton: 57.6% completion. 11 tds to 10 ints. 82.9 passer rating.

Griffin isn't even in the same stratosphere as those two. Not even close.

He's awesome, and there's no crime in admitting that. Is he more awesome than Andrew Luck? Who knows? Who cares? He's a great young QB and an intelligent, articulate, thoughtful athlete. The NFL needs more like him.

Also, if you want to use the "wins" statistic to measure how good a qb is, would you want Tebow over about 75% of the QBs in the NFL? After all, he did "win." Is Tebow better than RGIII?

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

It doesn't make you a troll, a Yankee supporter, or a Redskins fan to see that RGIII is an excellent passer. If you really would take Romo, Weeden, or Russell Wilson over him, then again, your blinders are on.

67.5% completion. 104.6 passer rating. 16 tds to 4 Ints. 2500+ yards. Not a pocket passer? Please. Vick Jr.? Cam Light?

Vick: 58.5% completion. 11 tds to 9 ints (albeit injury shortened). 79.2 passer rating
Newton: 57.6% completion. 11 tds to 10 ints. 82.9 passer rating.

Griffin isn't even in the same stratosphere as those two. Not even close.

He's awesome, and there's no crime in admitting that. Is he more awesome than Andrew Luck? Who knows? Who cares? He's a great young QB and an intelligent, articulate, thoughtful athlete. The NFL needs more like him.

Also, if you want to use the "wins" statistic to measure how good a qb is, would you want Tebow over about 75% of the QBs in the NFL? After all, he did "win." Is Tebow better than RGIII?

Has boy wonder fared well againt a top five defense yet in putting up those stats? I don't think the Redskins offense was all that potent against the Steelers for example. I doubt he has stats like that against the Texans or Broncos. Your example of Newton supports my take on him. Just last year Newton was the talk of the NFL and now look at his stats. I guess last year was what they call a fluke eh?? Posters like you and your DC pal make me laugh. Next year if Newton lights it up again, you will forget all about his years stats. Same will be said about RGIII if he falters. All of a sudden he will be a bum like Newton. Laughable, simply laughable.

Johnny Unitas probably the greatest NFL QB ever (or at least top three) said it best: "stats are for losers, all I care about is winning."

[HAIL2BNG]

Newton's stats this year are on par with his stats last year. There isn't a huge variation at all. Honestly, if you are going to throw crap out there, spend five seconds doing some research.

Now, you need Griffin to do well against a top five defense? Do you know the teams Luck has beaten? Be careful moving those goalposts because you're hurting your own already weak arguments.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Newton's stats this year are on par with his stats last year. There isn't a huge variation at all. Honestly, if you are going to throw crap out there, spend five seconds doing some research.

Now, you need Griffin to do well against a top five defense? Do you know the teams Luck has beaten? Be careful moving those goalposts because you're hurting your own already weak arguments.

Yeah, I know the Colts have a weak schedule but so does your squad. Other than the Giants, your entire division is weak. And Newton has had an even worse supporting cast the past two years than your boy has this season. Far worse. The Redskins receivers are much better this year than last with the addition of Garcon and a healthier Moss.

[Marshan Man]

What's the hidden agenda with the RG3 haters?? Hmm... RG3's everything he was advertised to be thus far. With that said..hope the Ravens can keep him off his game 12/9...looking forward to it.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

What's the hidden agenda with the RG3 haters?? Hmm... RG3's everything he was advertised to be thus far. With that said..hope the Ravens can keep him off his game 12/9...looking forward to it.

That stupid term "hater" doesn't apply here. It may be popular but it is idiotic as I have no "hatred" towards any NFL player now that Hines Ward has retired. At any rate, the premise of this thread is the argument that RGIII is better than Andrew Luck. Nimrods like Hail2BNG who likes to troll this BALTIMORE based board despite being a Yankee/Redskin fan keeps spouting how great he is based solely on his stats, which I don't agree. Luck is the real deal and has elevated his team from the worst in the league to a high llikelhood of making the playoffs.

I contend if you watch the two and see what they bring to the table that I will bet Luck has by far the better career as he is the next Peyton Manning/Brady/Brees, whereas RGIII is moreso a Vick/Cam Newton type player. I base this on observation and the fact he still looks extremely raw to me and once teams get film on him, I suspect next year he will regress.

[Marshan Man]

If you're not an RG3 hater perhaps you shouldn't speak up when the haters are called out?

As others have pointed out it 's not a fair comparison as RGIII is a better pocket passer than Newton or Vick.

I don't see why Luck's and RGIII's success in the league have to be mutually exclusive??? Maybe they'll both have great careers? That ever cross your mind??

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

If you're not an RG3 hater perhaps you shouldn't speak up when the haters are called out?

As others have pointed out it 's not a fair comparison as RGIII is a better pocket passer than Newton or Vick.

I don't see why Luck's and RGIII's success in the league have to be mutually exclusive??? Maybe they'll both have great careers? That ever cross your mind??

Again, please R-E-A-D this S-L-O-W-L-Y the point or "argument" (you do undertand what that word means right?) of this thread, is who is better or will be better.
If you think they are the same fine, I disagree and have pointed out why. Doesn't make me a "hater" of anyone. Stop trying to make this into something its not.

[Marshan Man]

Well real arguments don't ignore facts. Facts like RGIII has demonstrated himself to be a better pocket passer than Vick or Newton. So that's why YOUR argument falls flat.

...And again I did't call you a hater. When I threw the term "hater" out there you're the one that took ownership of it and proceeded to tell everyone why you're NOT one.

[HAIL2BNG]

Yeah, I know the Colts have a weak schedule but so does your squad. Other than the Giants, your entire division is weak. And Newton has had an even worse supporting cast the past two years than your boy has this season. Far worse. The Redskins receivers are much better this year than last with the addition of Garcon and a healthier Moss.

Now he has a better supporting cast?! Holy crap, you are so full of it. Garçon has been hurt most of the season and Moss isn't nearly as good as Smith. As if I needed any more evidence you don't know anything about the NFL.

Your "extremely raw" comment is also hilarious since actual NFL experts are in awe of the kid's abilities and the fact that he isn't remotely raw. Cut the crap, everyone knows you're a bitter old fool. We don't need anymore proof.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Well real arguments don't ignore facts. Facts like RGIII has demonstrated himself to be a better pocket passer than Vick or Newton. So that's why YOUR argument falls flat.

...And again I did't call you a hater. When I threw the term "hater" out there you're the one that took ownership of it and proceeded to tell everyone why you're NOT one.

Well who were you calling a hater then? Nobody??? You first threw out the term genius, not I. It seems like you were labeling anyone as such, who disagrees with your view, which is discrimination at its worst. So be careful of casting stones at others, or you will get them hurled right back at you.

As far as RGIII, he has demonstrated certain things in 11 games. I supposed it would not be possible for him to have a bad game say like Matt Ryan and throw five picks in the remaining 5 games to hurt his stats? Then what? Is he suddenly bad? Stats aren't the end all be all, especially in a small sample size.

[Peej7245]

Both these Rookies are fun to watch regardless of who has the "better" year!

It will be Flacco vs Ryan redeux (or it will be once Ryan wins a playoff game or two).

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Now he has a better supporting cast?! Holy crap, you are so full of it. Garçon has been hurt most of the season and Moss isn't nearly as good as Smith. As if I needed any more evidence you don't know anything about the NFL.

Your "extremely raw" comment is also hilarious since actual NFL experts are in awe of the kid's abilities and the fact that he isn't remotely raw. Cut the crap, everyone knows you're a bitter old fool. We don't need anymore proof.

Just like they were in awe of Cam Newton last year. RGIII is just the current version. If you believe in experts, how come you are so down on Flacco? Ron Jaworski said he has the strongest arm in the game and makes throws no other QB can make. I guess though, he isn't enough of an "expert" because he isn't slobbering all over your guy and has praised Flacco. You are a joke son. Go peddle to your fellow Redskin fans your lavish praise and claims of your QB. You have nothing to sell here whatsover. We are quite happy with Joe Flacco and Luck has done more for his team in improving their record.

[HAIL2BNG]

Jaws does praise RG3 a ton.

Strongest arm? That's great if you love that he leads the nfl in overthrows the last two seasons. You keep running to that claim. I will wait for his stats to match my rookie.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Jaws does praise RG3 a ton.

Strongest arm? That's great if you love that he leads the nfl in overthrows the last two seasons. You keep running to that claim. I will wait for his stats to match my rookie.

If you would take any rookie QB over an established one like Flacco you are a total buffoon. You guy has had what, eleven games under his belt, and Flacco has lets see, about seven times that many and a winning season every year he has been in the league? Maybe you should get his bust reserved for Canton as he has only five more games to go for a full season. AT that point you can proclaim him the greatest ever in the history of the game based on such a high number of games played.

[HAIL2BNG]

Really? So if I picked Peytona Manning over Chris Chandler in 1998, I would be a buffoon? Think before you type, dummy.