RGIII beats Andrew Luck

[Omaha Beach]

Griffin is 6' 2" and 217...that's bigger than Brees, who is only 6' 0" (maybe) 208, Mike Vick is 6'0", 207-- two guys who have been successful despite what you label as "physical limitation".....

Griffin is just about the same size as the great Mark Sanchez who checks in at 6'2" and 225....


none of the QB's in the NFL are world class sprinters....Griffin is....he's a very smart, very humble guy....nobody thought he'd be a decent QB in college...he proved people wrong....he's going to prove his critics wrong in the NFL as well....

comparing this guy to either Troy Smith or Kordell Stewart is flat out wrong...

How has Vick been sucessful when he misses more games than he plays from injuries? Brees plays more than half his games indoors where his passes are not affected by wind, rain cold or snow so his slight size is not a factor. Didnt Griffith miss games in college from injuries incurred from running the ball? If college players injured him when he ran what do you think will happen in the NFL when bigger and faster guys take a shot at him?

[can you hear me now!]

How has Vick been sucessful when he misses more games than he plays from injuries? Brees plays more than half his games indoors where his passes are not affected by wind, rain cold or snow so his slight size is not a factor. Didnt Griffith miss games in college from injuries incurred from running the ball? If college players injured him when he ran what do you think will happen in the NFL when bigger and faster guys take a shot at him?

I see a lot of backtracking and what ifs, but nothing to back up your claims...which is what I thought in the first place....vick plays outdoors, so did brees in SD....

did griffin miss games?? I would an expert like you would know that....but just because i abhor laziness, I'll lend you a hand here...in 2011 and 2010 he started all 26 games for Baylor...he didn't finish a few because the coach put others in to play....he was a medical redshirt in 2009 as he had a slight ACL tear (not complete) and he played in all 12 Baylor games as a freshman starting 11 of those....despite that injury, he remains a world class hurdler....who was the last world class hurdler to play in the NFL?

so what you are telling me is despite his size, the level of competition he faced in college, he's in danger? no really?? no more danger than any other player on the field...

rule of thumb-- if the hole you are digging is getting deeper, stop digging...

[HAIL2BNG]

Some of the comparisons literally made me laugh out loud. Kordell Stewart? Vince Young? Do you know what "skill set" means?

Thank you to CYHMN for being thoughtful and reasonable.

[Eastside Terp]

Some of the comparisons literally made me laugh out loud. Kordell Stewart? Vince Young? Do you know what "skill set" means?

Thank you to CYHMN for being thoughtful and reasonable.

well go away and come back in 5 years and tell us we were wrong .....

[Omaha Beach]

I see a lot of backtracking and what ifs, but nothing to back up your claims...which is what I thought in the first place....vick plays outdoors, so did brees in SD....

did griffin miss games?? I would an expert like you would know that....but just because i abhor laziness, I'll lend you a hand here...in 2011 and 2010 he started all 26 games for Baylor...he didn't finish a few because the coach put others in to play....he was a medical redshirt in 2009 as he had a slight ACL tear (not complete) and he played in all 12 Baylor games as a freshman starting 11 of those....despite that injury, he remains a world class hurdler....who was the last world class hurdler to play in the NFL?

so what you are telling me is despite his size, the level of competition he faced in college, he's in danger? no really?? no more danger than any other player on the field...

rule of thumb-- if the hole you are digging is getting deeper, stop digging...

Ok mr. Expert tell me who the hell drafts a QB in the NFL because he is, a world class hurdler? Level of competition? Is Baylor in the SEC? What has happened over the years to Vick trying to be both a passer and runner? If he tries to emulate Vick he is going to be ina hell of a lot more danger then a drop back QB like Brady or Flacco or anyother QB who depends on his arm and head and not his legs.

[HAIL2BNG]

well go away and come back in 5 years and tell us we were wrong .....

Oh, I will. It would be nice if your "analysis" consisted of anything more than your hatred of the Redskins though. Let's see, he's got a fantastic arm, world class speed and is extremely bright. Which of those facets did any of the comparisons have? That's right, none of them.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Oh, I will. It would be nice if your "analysis" consisted of anything more than your hatred of the Redskins though. Let's see, he's got a fantastic arm, world class speed and is extremely bright. Which of those facets did any of the comparisons have? That's right, none of them.

So what? Kordell Stewart had an MVP season but he still wasn't a very good NFL QB and he had the same skill set. Problem is, RGIII isn't good as a pocket passer and he will constantly fight the urge to run when pressured, just like Vick does, and will end up getting hurt. Mark my words, you read it here first. Try and learn something for once on this site.

[18-87-44-29]

So what? Kordell Stewart had an MVP season but he still wasn't a very good NFL QB and he had the same skill set. Problem is, RGIII isn't good as a pocket passer and he will constantly fight the urge to run when pressured, just like Vick does, and will end up getting hurt. Mark my words, you read it here first. Try and learn something for once on this site.

Consider this post bookmarked and saved in order to be brought back when Griff comes out looking like Camtastic did last year....maybe even a bit better.

[LarryN]

Consider this post bookmarked and saved in order to be brought back when Griff comes out looking like Camtastic did last year....maybe even a bit better.

I'd fill my hard drive, one kilobyte at a time, bookmarking all of your posts where you turned out to be wrong.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Consider this post bookmarked and saved in order to be brought back when Griff comes out looking like Camtastic did last year....maybe even a bit better.

Bookmark it all you want boy. Cam Newton is a unique physical speciman. RGII other than speed - not so much. Even Joe Theisman, Redskin homer, said he better settle down and learn how to slide or go out of bounds or he will get killed. His skill set and potential falls somwhere between Michael Vick and Tyrod Taylor. As such, I would say Kordell Stewart is probably a decent comparison and his true upside. Look for this much, Luck and RGIII to be among the league leaders in throwing picks!

[mythoughts]

I'd fill my hard drive, one kilobyte at a time, bookmarking all of your posts where you turned out to be wrong.

I hope you have a Peta-byte Hard Drive !

[slapshot]

How has Vick been sucessful when he misses more games than he plays from injuries?

We agree on this. Vick hasn't played enough to be able to draw any meaningful conclusions as to where he might be ranked as a NFL QB.

Brees plays more than half his games indoors where his passes are not affected by wind, rain cold or snow so his slight size is not a factor.

Bress has numerous passing records while at Purdue...and most of his opponents were against cold/foul weather teams in the Big Ten.

BiG fans always talk about how the SEC teams have an advantage because they rarely play any games in bad weather. I for one would love to see how SEC teams would do in a BCS game played up North...in January.

But DB competed very well in college in the rain, wind and snow...and I'm sure he could do the same in the NFL. While in SD he was outside, but rarely had to deal with bad weather. Growing up in SD myself, about the most he would have to contend with, would be the wind.

[atomic]

I was at the game and I would say RGIII didn't look bad. The Redskins looked a heck of a lot better team than the Colts who I think have a long season a head of them. They dont' even anyone who can run the ball.

[shutout]

I see a lot of backtracking and what ifs, but nothing to back up your claims...which is what I thought in the first place....vick plays outdoors, so did brees in SD....

did griffin miss games?? I would an expert like you would know that....but just because i abhor laziness, I'll lend you a hand here...in 2011 and 2010 he started all 26 games for Baylor...he didn't finish a few because the coach put others in to play....he was a medical redshirt in 2009 as he had a slight ACL tear (not complete) and he played in all 12 Baylor games as a freshman starting 11 of those....despite that injury, he remains a world class hurdler....who was the last world class hurdler to play in the NFL?

so what you are telling me is despite his size, the level of competition he faced in college, he's in danger? no really?? no more danger than any other player on the field...

rule of thumb-- if the hole you are digging is getting deeper, stop digging...

Renaldo Nehemia?

[HAIL2BNG]

So what? Kordell Stewart had an MVP season but he still wasn't a very good NFL QB and he had the same skill set. Problem is, RGIII isn't good as a pocket passer and he will constantly fight the urge to run when pressured, just like Vick does, and will end up getting hurt. Mark my words, you read it here first. Try and learn something for once on this site.

Considering you know nothing, that isn't possible. Kordell Stewart didn't have remotely the same skill set as Griffin. Griffin is a BETTER pocket passer. He has a much stronger arm.

[Slidemaster]

I don't know if Griffin will be a success in the NFL or not, but I can tell you having listened to him and watched him that I hope he is. He has (at least appears to have, anyway) world class character, and is an intelligent, well-spoken type that the NFL needs more of.

[Slidemaster]

I will also say that I feel like a lot of people hear "fast quarterback" and assume he's someone who has no accuracy. Griffin doesn't fit that mold (or at least he didn't in college). The number one statistic that seems to indicate if a college qb can make the jump to the NFL and be successful is pass completion percentage, and Griffin's was a ridiculous 72% in college his final year. Sure, take away 5% or so for not playing against SEC defenses, but he was still very very accurate with the ball.

[HAIL2BNG]

If people don't quite understand mechanics, release point, etc., there is a simpler rule to use. It is called the 26-27-60 rule. If a QB scores 26 on the Wonderlic, starts 27 or more games in college and completes more than 60% of his passes, he stands a good chance of succeeding in the NFL.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ule/index.html

There are exceptions of course but it is a decent predictor still. RG3 fits in there.

Another thing being missed by the haters is that intelligence plays a huge role in QB success and this is a kid who was an honor student in high school and graduated early from college, also with honors.

[Eastside Terp]

If people don't quite understand mechanics, release point, etc., there is a simpler rule to use. It is called the 26-27-60 rule. If a QB scores 26 on the Wonderlic, starts 27 or more games in college and completes more than 60% of his passes, he stands a good chance of succeeding in the NFL.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ule/index.html

There are exceptions of course but it is a decent predictor still. RG3 fits in there.

Another thing being missed by the haters is that intelligence plays a huge role in QB success and this is a kid who was an honor student in high school and graduated early from college, also with honors.

no fair ......

you said you were going away for 5 years and then coming back to tell us we were all wrong .....

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Considering you know nothing, that isn't possible. Kordell Stewart didn't have remotely the same skill set as Griffin. Griffin is a BETTER pocket passer. He has a much stronger arm.

He may indeed have a stronger arm. I do not disagree. However, there is more to being a good pocket passer than having a strong arm. (See Wikepedia- Boller, Kyle NFL careeer stats). IMHO RGIII looks as comfortable in the pocket as Joe Theisman taking a vow of silence.