RGIII beats Andrew Luck

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

If people don't quite understand mechanics, release point, etc., there is a simpler rule to use. It is called the 26-27-60 rule. If a QB scores 26 on the Wonderlic, starts 27 or more games in college and completes more than 60% of his passes, he stands a good chance of succeeding in the NFL.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ule/index.html

There are exceptions of course but it is a decent predictor still. RG3 fits in there.

Another thing being missed by the haters is that intelligence plays a huge role in QB success and this is a kid who was an honor student in high school and graduated early from college, also with honors.

Yeah, so what, blah, blah, blah. Just heard on the Morning Kickoff on Sirius radio that Ryan Tannenhill, the Dolphins rookie QB was studying to be an Orthopedic Surgeon in college, yet thought the KC Chiefs were in the NFC East and stated that he knew most of the NFL conferences (there are only two last time I checked) but not the divisions! So much for intelligence>>> or lack thereof!

[HAIL2BNG]

Now there's an argument. Ryan Tannehill doesn't know what teams are in what division so RG3 won't be good because of his intelligence.

Also, Tannehill wasn't in med school, ever. He had an undergrad in biology though.

[HAIL2BNG]

He may indeed have a stronger arm. I do not disagree. However, there is more to being a good pocket passer than having a strong arm. (See Wikepedia- Boller, Kyle NFL careeer stats). IMHO RGIII looks as comfortable in the pocket as Joe Theisman taking a vow of silence.

Kyle Boller had one college season where he completed more than half his passes. RG3's worst year was 59%. 65, 67 and 72 were his other three.

On to your next bad example, Hadley.

[Eastside Terp]

Kyle Boller had one college season where he completed more than half his passes. RG3's worst year was 59%. 65, 67 and 72 were his other three.

On to your next bad example, Hadley.

I watched him play a few times in college .......

roll out, throw it 5 yards .....

roll out, throw it 5 yards .....

repeat ......

[HAIL2BNG]

I watched him play a few times in college .......

roll out, throw it 5 yards .....

roll out, throw it 5 yards .....

repeat ......

And yet he had a 14 YPC average his last season. All those deep passes in all the tape I saw on him must have been photoshopped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZsQWIoC1Ic

Why the hate though? The inferiority complex is alive and well.

[can you hear me now!]

Renaldo Nehemia?

yep....

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Kyle Boller had one college season where he completed more than half his passes. RG3's worst year was 59%. 65, 67 and 72 were his other three.

On to your next bad example, Hadley.

You totally missed the point but that was to be expected. I was not comparing his overall ability to Boller, just his arm. If he isn't light years better than Boller you better sue him for fraud. Heck, I will say the same about your backup QB you drafted. He should be a lot better than the putrid Boller, as well. Kordell Stewart was a HOF level QB compared to Boller!

[Jeebus]

Kordell Stewart was a HOF level QB compared to Boller!

I'm no Boller fan, but your assumption is exaggerated. Kordell was just as bad (or good) as Boller.

Boller had a lifetime completion percentage (56.7%) higher than Kordell (55.8%) as well as a higher TD percentage, and their interception percentage (3.6%) is identical.

[HAIL2BNG]

You totally missed the point but that was to be expected. I was not comparing his overall ability to Boller, just his arm. If he isn't light years better than Boller you better sue him for fraud. Heck, I will say the same about your backup QB you drafted. He should be a lot better than the putrid Boller, as well. Kordell Stewart was a HOF level QB compared to Boller!

Oh, if you don't want to compare him to Boller, I would avoid using Boller as a comparison, which is what you did. Derp

[shutout]

Renaldo Nehemia?

yep....

It was the first person that came to mind. I went with it.

[can you hear me now!]

It was the first person that came to mind. I went with it.

good call....

[Eastside Terp]

i was at maryland when renaldo was there, met him a few times and had the privileged to watch him work out and compete .....

one of the greatest hurdlers of all time but not much of a football player ......

in reality, there wasn't much money in track back then so they had to make the switch to cash in (especially after an olympic boycott) ......

rod woodson was a world class hurdler who qualified for the olympic trails and was a HOF football player ......

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Oh, if you don't want to compare him to Boller, I would avoid using Boller as a comparison, which is what you did. Derp

Unless you totally lack reading comprehension skills. you should have easily seen that I was only using Boller's arm in comparison, not his career stats. Since I know that you can read and comprehend so that is not the issue, it is just another example of you being a contrarian on a board where the obvious majority share polar opposite views.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

I'm no Boller fan, but your assumption is exaggerated. Kordell was just as bad (or good) as Boller.

Boller had a lifetime completion percentage (56.7%) higher than Kordell (55.8%) as well as a higher TD percentage, and their interception percentage (3.6%) is identical.

AGain, you are using stats only. How many MVP or probowls did Boller ever make? How many times did Boller lead the Ravens to the playoffs? How about a big fat ZERO.

[Jeebus]

AGain, you are using stats only. How many MVP or probowls did Boller ever make? How many times did Boller lead the Ravens to the playoffs? How about a big fat ZERO.

I'm not disputing that, Boller sucked.

What I am disputing is your contention that "compared to Boller, Kordell is a Hall of Famer" which is utterly ridiculous.

Kordell sucked just as much. The Steelers made the playoffs in spite of Kordell, not because of him.

Kordell made 1 Pro Bowl (1 more than Boller) and never led the league in any passing category (same as Boller).

Hardly "HoF" material, even compared directly to Boller.

They both sucked, period.

[HAIL2BNG]

Unless you totally lack reading comprehension skills. you should have easily seen that I was only using Boller's arm in comparison, not his career stats. Since I know that you can read and comprehend so that is not the issue, it is just another example of you being a contrarian on a board where the obvious majority share polar opposite views.

Right, and the only reason you think Griffin will fail is because he's a Redskin. You have nothing at all to back it up but that's not surprising.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Right, and the only reason you think Griffin will fail is because he's a Redskin. You have nothing at all to back it up but that's not surprising.

Nothing but my 49 years of watching NFL football which is probably more years than you have been on the planet. That is what told me Boller was a terrible bust of a QB right away almost as soon as I saw him play in his first one or two pre-season games. Similar to RGIII, although I will say RG can no way on earth ever be as bad as Boller is and was.

[CIB]

AGain, you are using stats only. How many MVP or probowls did Boller ever make? How many times did Boller lead the Ravens to the playoffs? How about a big fat ZERO.

Oh STFU. The one year where Boller seemed to play well enough to give us a chance to win in the playoffs we sat him in favor of a washed up has been with no arm. That was Billick's fault.
People constantly degrade Boller on these forums, but the fact remains the Raven's offensive coaching and personell were putrid compared to what they are now.

Boller deserves lots of kicks as a disappointment, but he was classy and brave person while he was here, and for a period of a few years he seemed to get better and more effective, but he was never good enough to silence his haters.

I think if we had Payton Manning and yet everything else was still the same, the difference is maybe one successful playoff run. That is what Boller "cost" us. Well, that and the fact that many of his detractors were too damn blind to see the other defects in the offense and the coaching staff because they were so busy focusing on him and his "funny feet".

[HAIL2BNG]

Nothing but my 49 years of watching NFL football which is probably more years than you have been on the planet. That is what told me Boller was a terrible bust of a QB right away almost as soon as I saw him play in his first one or two pre-season games. Similar to RGIII, although I will say RG can no way on earth ever be as bad as Boller is and was.

Yes, you have watched football longer than I have been alive. That just makes your ignorance that much sadder. I do love when you've been undressed with stats a facts, you always resort to "I've watched football for a long time" der dee der dee derp. No one buys that argument except maybe your dumb kids.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Oh STFU. The one year where Boller seemed to play well enough to give us a chance to win in the playoffs we sat him in favor of a washed up has been with no arm. That was Billick's fault.
People constantly degrade Boller on these forums, but the fact remains the Raven's offensive coaching and personell were putrid compared to what they are now.

Boller deserves lots of kicks as a disappointment, but he was classy and brave person while he was here, and for a period of a few years he seemed to get better and more effective, but he was never good enough to silence his haters.

I think if we had Payton Manning and yet everything else was still the same, the difference is maybe one successful playoff run. That is what Boller "cost" us. Well, that and the fact that many of his detractors were too damn blind to see the other defects in the offense and the coaching staff because they were so busy focusing on him and his "funny feet".

It was "happy feet", but I hear what you're saying. And I agree. Billick made Cam Cameron look like Bill Walsh. And at least at first, Cameron's improved offense was noticeable. However, his ceiling became apparent, and unless or until that changes, the Ravens offense is still going to be less than elite to say the least.