Jim Caldwell for Offensive Coordinator

[baltimoreron]

Jim has not called plays at the NFL level (and I have heard not at any level). Maybe not the best guy to be OC, IMHO.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Didn't say that. Feel free to quote the post where I did. I'm merely saying there were no "Fire Cam" threads when the offense put up 44 points

Great. You can now add this to the growing list of your pointless points, then.

[NCBirdfan]

Can we start the fire Caldwell, he's an awful offensive coordinator threads now or do we have to go through the motions and actually wait for him to get hired?

I was thinking the exact same thing. If fans would get their wish and Caldwell would be the new OC, how long do you think it would be before the "Fire Caldwell" threads would start?

[OriginalColtsFan]

I was thinking the exact same thing. If fans would get their wish and Caldwell would be the new OC, how long do you think it would be before the "Fire Caldwell" threads would start?

What does any of this have to do with the fact that Cameron has already PROVEN he's not up to the task? So because of that, no one else should ever be given a shot because maybe that person will fall short as well? That's absurd.

[NCBirdfan]

What does any of this have to do with the fact that Cameron has already PROVEN he's not up to the task? So because of that, no one else should ever be given a shot because maybe that person will fall short as well? That's absurd.

I'm just saying we fans never know exactly what goes on behind the scenes. What may be perceived as one thing may not actually be what it is. The last time I looked, Harbaugh is the coach and, as coach, he gets final say. In other words, he can overrule anything Cameron does if he feels it will help the team. Why hasn't he done so? Why didn't Harbaugh use any of his two remaining time-outs to regroup his players and find a better way to move the chains on 3rd and two? If there should be some blame for the ineptitude of the offense, Harbaugh should be the one. He has the final decision, right?

Now, I am playing devil's advocate here. I am not saying there should be a "fire Harbaugh" thread started. I am saying, I'm willing to admit that I don't know what goes on in preparation for each game or how things are sized up in the locker room at halftime. I certainly can question all those throws on 3rd and short, but I really don't know why those calls are made and if the head coach disagreed with them.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I'm just saying we fans never know exactly what goes on behind the scenes. What may be perceived as one thing may not actually be what it is. The last time I looked, Harbaugh is the coach and, as coach, he gets final say. In other words, he can overrule anything Cameron does if he feels it will help the team. Why hasn't he done so? Why didn't Harbaugh use any of his two remaining time-outs to regroup his players and find a better way to move the chains on 3rd and two? If there should be some blame for the ineptitude of the offense, Harbaugh should be the one. He has the final decision, right?

Now, I am playing devil's advocate here. I am not saying there should be a "fire Harbaugh" thread started. I am saying, I'm willing to admit that I don't know what goes on in preparation for each game or how things are sized up in the locker room at halftime. I certainly can question all those throws on 3rd and short, but I really don't know why those calls are made and if the head coach disagreed with them.

I've always found it perplexing when some people say: "I like Harbaugh, but I don't like his assistants". Because that's one of his main responsibilities (i.e. hiring his assistants). And if he's done such a poor job in that regard, how can he possibly be viewed as a good head coach? But be that as it may, since it's unlikely that he'll be canned any time soon, the next best thing is to go after the under performing assistant coaches. That's my take, anyway.

As far as speculation, however...it doesn't take any speculation to SEE that Cameron, FOR YEARS NOW, has screwed the pooch in critical situations. And in the NFL, that's all it takes to keep from ascending to the next level. And Cameron is holding this team back. That's not speculation; that's obvious. As far as what Harbaugh is doing about it, the answer seems to be: apparently, not very much.

[CajunRaven]

Didn't say that. Feel free to quote the post where I did. I'm merely saying there were no "Fire Cam" threads when the offense put up 44 points

Well, you seemed to infer it. If I misunderstood, my bad.

For folks like myself who have consistently complained about Cam, is it necessary to put a complaint up after every game? The offense has put up some great games the last few years, but they have also put up some real clunkers. And I've always put most of it on play calling and game plan.

[West Chester Raven]

The other team gets paid to play also. The game was the Eagles' home opener and the Eagles are a very good team. We almost won the game if not for a ticky tack offensive pass interference call (no, I'm not blaming the refs).

I'm fine with Cam at Offensive Coordinator. It's Dean Pees I'm concerned with. But it's still early and not having Suggs has to hurt.

Totally agree with you - our defense is the bigger concern in all of this. I am just really annoyed with Suggs that he would so carelessly put himself at risk in the offseason. I know I wasn't there - but is it really advisable to be playing p/u basketball and risk injury when you are being paid $$$ and being counted on as a defensive centerpiece? He was guilty as sin - everyone knows it. All that "I'll be back by Nov" talk is just talk and shows how guilty he felt. I love Sizzle - but we (the team) are now paying the price for his mistake. Yes - he makes that big of an impact on the defense.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Cam Cameron said he "really felt good" about his short yardage play calling:

http://discussions.baltimoresun.com/...21-20120920/10

That right there pretty much says all that needs to be said about Cam Cameron. It also clears up any questions as to who was calling the plays.

[bmore_ken]

Totally agree with you - our defense is the bigger concern in all of this. I am just really annoyed with Suggs that he would so carelessly put himself at risk in the offseason. I know I wasn't there - but is it really advisable to be playing p/u basketball and risk injury when you are being paid $$$ and being counted on as a defensive centerpiece? He was guilty as sin - everyone knows it. All that "I'll be back by Nov" talk is just talk and shows how guilty he felt. I love Sizzle - but we (the team) are now paying the price for his mistake. Yes - he makes that big of an impact on the defense.

The man's a grown up. We don't own him and neither does the team. he could have just easily fell over a chair and got hurt

[West Chester Raven]

The man's a grown up. We don't own him and neither does the team. he could have just easily fell over a chair and got hurt

BMore Ken - I respectfully disagree. That "own" stuff may sound all well and good - but money changes things. We're not talking about making somebody a slave here - so let's get off it.
Players like him are paid an extraordinary amount of money - more than you or I and most posters on this board would collectively earn in a lifetime.
The team's investment is in his physical abilities/body. He is beholden to the team to minimize risks. Playing P/U basketball is a risk. Sorry - but when your occupation is an athlete and that is how youmake money - you are responsible to minimize risk. I understand we disagree. His injury was avoidable. He is full of crap - eberybody knows it. I really like him as a player. His injury is really costing the team.

[bmore_ken]

BMore Ken - I respectfully disagree. That "own" stuff may sound all well and good - but money changes things. We're not talking about making somebody a slave here - so let's get off it.
Players like him are paid an extraordinary amount of money - more than you or I and most posters on this board would collectively earn in a lifetime.
The team's investment is in his physical abilities/body. He is beholden to the team to minimize risks. Playing P/U basketball is a risk. Sorry - but when your occupation is an athlete and that is how youmake money - you are responsible to minimize risk. I understand we disagree. His injury was avoidable. He is full of crap - eberybody knows it. I really like him as a player. His injury is really costing the team.

Being an athlete doesn't make him a slave or under control of the team 24/7/365. The man is entitled to a life off the field on his own terms

[OriginalColtsFan]

Being an athlete doesn't make him a slave or under control of the team 24/7/365. The man is entitled to a life off the field on his own terms

And the biggest part of being a free man is taking responsibility for one's actions. Getting hurt in a non-footbal activity, then trying to cover it up is the exact opposite of that. That's what little children do to try to avoid the accountability of their actions.

[tigercruise]

Cam Cameron said he "really felt good" about his short yardage play calling:

http://discussions.baltimoresun.com/...21-20120920/10

That right there pretty much says all that needs to be said about Cam Cameron. It also clears up any questions as to who was calling the plays.

Felt good huh? Pathetic is what it is. On three different 3rd and two situations, Cam called the exact same play and the result was 4th down. And Cam felt good about those calls?

[OriginalColtsFan]

Felt good huh? Pathetic is what it is. On three different 3rd and two situations, Cam called the exact same play and the result was 4th down. And Cam felt good about those calls?

And Bisciotti doesn't SEE how ridiculous that is?!!!

[floridaraven]

ABC.....Anybody but Cam

[tigercruise]

And Bisciotti doesn't SEE how ridiculous that is?!!!

And Harbaugh?

[OriginalColtsFan]

And Harbaugh?

That's why I said Bisciotti. The only reason Cameron is even HERE is because Harbaugh lobbied for him out of some overextended sense of loyalty. Loyalty is fine, to a point; but with Harbaugh, it goes beyond reasonable limits because it ends up hurting the team. So it falls on the shoulders of the owner to intervene and lay down the law. And it's not just Cameron. Rosburg is a disaster, and has been for over 4 years now. 4 freakin years and they still can't cover kicks very well. That's insane. But as long as Harbaugh lobbies for those coaches, and Bisciotti doesn't intervene, the situation will continue.

[mythoughts]

Caldwell for OC is ridiculous...

Hooray for ridiculous !

[Eastside Terp]

we will see.......

he's not working with peyton but ironically gets to start off against him .......