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    Quote Originally Posted by tigercruise View Post
    It is possible, very possible, that this team could lose out. And then, finally, we would see the end of the Cam Cameron era in Baltimore.
    Not unless Ozzie or Steve make the call. Coach Johnny has made it abundantly clear from day 1 that Cam is completely absolved from all blame in every situation. If we went 0-16 and got shut out 16 times i still don't think he would fire Cam

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdean View Post
    Maybe they wouldn't have continually gone 3 and out if they had not given up on the run game so quickly. I think when Houston went up 16-3, Cameron went into the panic mode and once that happened, Flacco just followed suit. One of the days(hopefully sooner than later), Cameron is going to admit to himself that the offensive line is a pitiful pass protection unit and it's just more logical to accentuate the run. Like I said, it's not flashy and Cam will have to bury his dream of Flacco being an elite quarterback who throws TD passes from all over the field. If the defense was top flight, maybe you could aspire to be that kind of offense but it's not getting any better like I thought it would. Run, Toto, RUN!!!!
    They started to get away from the run before the Texans ever had a lead. They mixed the run & pass well the first drive, but the Texans didn't call off the outside rushers. The first drive ended with 2 incomplete passes before the FG. The next drive was three passes and out. The third drive was a decent run to get them away from their own endzone, then pass / sack / fumble, pass / sack / safety. 7 out of 8 plays were called passes. On the road against a top tier defense, in a crazy loud environment, and a defense that wasn't abandoning the edge rush because of a few nice runs.

    I heard Joe get criticized yesterday for not "checking out" of the safety play because he should have seen the guy on that edge. If you watch the replay, he has Ray Rice lined up to that side. Now who really knows what everyone was thinking... but there's at least a chance he expected Rice to stay home on the left and pick up the blitzer if / when he came. Rice immediately decided to help on the right side, cut underneath Joe to pick up the right, and let the guy off the left end come in untouched. That's part of the TEAM game.

    What's most worrisome is that the Texans knew not to abandon their gameplan, because Cam eventually throws out the run section of the playbook at some point in the first quarter on the road. And Cam to this day has yet to learn from that, or adjust in any way. This line isn't built to pass protect 50 times against a tough D on the road. These WRs aren't built to create magical open space on their own. And Joe isn't Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Use the run to make things easier for the whole offense when you do throw the ball. If you gain 8 yards and punt, so be it. There's something much more deflating / momentum changing about sacks / INTs / etc. in the passing game than a simple 3-and-out where you fell a yard short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens2006 View Post
    What's most worrisome is that the Texans knew not to abandon their gameplan, because Cam eventually throws out the run section of the playbook at some point in the first quarter on the road.
    I wonder if opposing teams' goal at home is to simply get a lead a quickly as possible since that ends Ray Rice's day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigercruise View Post
    It is possible, very possible, that this team could lose out. And then, finally, we would see the end of the Cam Cameron era in Baltimore.
    You guys aren't going winless the rest of the year. Even with all the injuries you still have too much talent. Oakland is a gimme along with possibly Cleveland. Now the others are definitely iffy though.

    But even so if you wind up say 8-8 or 7-9 and out of the playoffs that should still spell the end of your OC's tenure there. I mean you didn't lose anyone on the offensive side yet it's the same old stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durrty Bird View Post
    You guys aren't going winless the rest of the year. Even with all the injuries you still have too much talent. Oakland is a gimme along with possibly Cleveland. Now the others are definitely iffy though.

    But even so if you wind up say 8-8 or 7-9 and out of the playoffs that should still spell the end of your OC's tenure there. I mean you didn't lose anyone on the offensive side yet it's the same old stuff.
    But it's going to have to come from the top. Cameron isn't going anywhere as long as Fraudbaugh holds the reins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Costanza 831 View Post
    But it's going to have to come from the top. Cameron isn't going anywhere as long as Fraudbaugh holds the reins
    But then you'd get the posters whining about how owners shouldn't meddle, etc. It's a no win situation. But if the Ravens were smart they'd can Cameron over the bye week and replace him with Caldwell. And can Pees and replace him with Clarence Brooks.

    (As for Rosburg and Moeller, they could replace them with a ham sandwich and a Gatorade bucket, respectively, as far as I'm concerned.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalColtsFan View Post
    But then you'd get the posters whining about how owners shouldn't meddle, etc. It's a no win situation. But if the Ravens were smart they'd can Cameron over the bye week and replace him with Caldwell. And can Pees and replace him with Clarence Brooks.

    (As for Rosburg and Moeller, they could replace them with a ham sandwich and a Gatorade bucket, respectively, as far as I'm concerned.)

    You're right it is lose, lose but something has to be done with these guys. They just aren't getting the job done and in an ever-evolving league refusing to change your gameplan isn't going to work

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    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalColtsFan View Post
    But then you'd get the posters whining about how owners shouldn't meddle, etc. It's a no win situation. But if the Ravens were smart they'd can Cameron over the bye week and replace him with Caldwell. And can Pees and replace him with Clarence Brooks.

    (As for Rosburg and Moeller, they could replace them with a ham sandwich and a Gatorade bucket, respectively, as far as I'm concerned.)

    If the Ravens were smart, they would have canned Cameron last year. So now we know they're not smart and after the fantastic performance last week by our astute offensive coordinator, I'm afraid there's no hope in sight. Why is it that the majority of the sporting world can see through Cam Cam but our owner cannot?

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    If you look at Cam's "resume" from his other ventures it's absolutely laughable. A 1-15 head coaching record is just the icing on the cake. I'm working on finding his exact college stats. Either way he's not a good football mind and i have no idea how he's made a living in the NFL

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    I just found it. He had a lifetime record of 18-37 at Indiana. So basically there always seems to be a tradition of losing and underachieving everywhere Cam goes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Costanza 831 View Post
    If you look at Cam's "resume" from his other ventures it's absolutely laughable. A 1-15 head coaching record is just the icing on the cake. I'm working on finding his exact college stats. Either way he's not a good football mind and i have no idea how he's made a living in the NFL
    As a headcoach Cam has struggled but he has not struggled as an OC. For the Chargers he paved the way for LT to win MVP, set team scoring records, and not to mention the TEAM was successful. I dont think Cam is made out to be a head coach, but he is a successful OC. You are saying he is not a football mind, but he did coach the Michigan WRs and QBs back when they had Howard, Toomer, Alexander, Grbac etc. I disagree, he is a football mind, just not a good head coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
    As a headcoach Cam has struggled but he has not struggled as an OC. For the Chargers he paved the way for LT to win MVP, set team scoring records, and not to mention the TEAM was successful. I dont think Cam is made out to be a head coach, but he is a successful OC. You are saying he is not a football mind, but he did coach the Michigan WRs and QBs back when they had Howard, Toomer, Alexander, Grbac etc. I disagree, he is a football mind, just not a good head coach.
    I think LT paved his own way to win the MVP and most of the records that the Chargers set. I think it's funny how Drew Brees was ran out of town under Cam's watch, that Philip Rivers didn't peak until 2007 (the first year CamMORON was gone) and the jury is still out on how the post-Cameron Flacco will perform. Is it a coincidence that everyone he comes near in the NFL underperforms and then reaches their peak as soon as he's out of the picture? Or is it just possible that he's a terrible coach that isn't fit to hold a position in the NFL. I'm thinking it's the second one. And yeah you mentioned that he's a good mentor to some QB's back in his Michigan days. Well that's fine and dandy. Maybe he should go back to doing that because he has failed at almost everything he's done in the NFL. He has like the anti-Midas touch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Costanza 831 View Post
    I think LT paved his own way to win the MVP and most of the records that the Chargers set. I think it's funny how Drew Brees was ran out of town under Cam's watch, that Philip Rivers didn't peak until 2007 (the first year CamMORON was gone) and the jury is still out on how the post-Cameron Flacco will perform. Is it a coincidence that everyone he comes near in the NFL underperforms and then reaches their peak as soon as he's out of the picture? Or is it just possible that he's a terrible coach that isn't fit to hold a position in the NFL. I'm thinking it's the second one. And yeah you mentioned that he's a good mentor to some QB's back in his Michigan days. Well that's fine and dandy. Maybe he should go back to doing that because he has failed at almost everything he's done in the NFL. He has like the anti-Midas touch
    Cam didn't run Brees out of town, The lord of no rings AJ smith ran him out. Brees was playing well under Cam until he got hurt. Rivers was starting his first year in 2006 and the team did very well which is why Cam got a head coaching job. Rivers team played better the Rogers when Rogers started his first year. I think you should put facts to support your argument as to why Cam is not a good OC because all facts show that he is a very good, but not great, OC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dub View Post
    I think you should put facts to support your argument as to why Cam is not a good OC because all facts show that he is a very good, but not great, OC.
    I think you should open your eyes and see the obvious. Everywhere Cam went, things improved AFTER he left. Why in the world you would spend one second trying to defend that bum is beyond me. But have at it. It's your dime.

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    http://baltimoresportsreport.com/jas...ugh-joe-flacco

    Although I don't agree with a lot that Whitlock writes the article does beg the question why Ray Rice does not get more touches.

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    I think Cameron's biggest liability(or his defiance) is his inability to adjust as a game goes along. Like his good buddy John Harbaugh, he's a hard head and it becomes very obvious in games like Sunday's blow out. I think he prepares his game plan during the week and regardless of how of it's playing out in real time, he won't deviate from it. Sometimes opposing defenses have matched up a scheme perfectly and you have to act accordingly. Most of the problem stems from Cameron having visions of granduer regarding Joe Flacco. He's determined to make this a high flying, bombs away, rack up the points offense, which in fairness, has been the case at times. But in the process of trying to establish this, he's sacrificed time of possession to the tune of being last in the league, leaving a very mediocre defense to fend for itself almost endlessly. And we all have seen the results. I think it's imperative for Harbaugh to finally look his favorite son in the face and say, "Cam, this is not going to work. We've got to grind it out and keep this defense on the side line. If we want to go anywhere this year, it's the only way as I see it." With the schedule this team has, I sure as hell hope that's what he said Monday. I guess we'll find out in Cleveland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moose1010 View Post
    No, they should have done everything in their power to a) not repeatedly go 3 and out, and b) score more than 13 freaking points, and c) not give up nearly as many points on offense (9) as they scored.

    The defense was playing pretty well until the offense decided to take the rest of the day off.
    The tipped pass pick 6 was the turning point. Everything spiraled downwards from there. It is as if the team knew they were toast. Those watching the game could sense it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by West Chester Raven View Post
    The tipped pass pick 6 was the turning point. Everything spiraled downwards from there. It is as if the team knew they were toast. Those watching the game could sense it too.
    Right, because Flacco also plays defense and it was his fault the D got TORCHED by the Texans.


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    Was that the worst coaching job in the history of the NFL?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesdean View Post
    I think Cameron's biggest liability(or his defiance) is his inability to adjust as a game goes along. Like his good buddy John Harbaugh, he's a hard head and it becomes very obvious in games like Sunday's blow out. I think he prepares his game plan during the week and regardless of how of it's playing out in real time, he won't deviate from it. Sometimes opposing defenses have matched up a scheme perfectly and you have to act accordingly. Most of the problem stems from Cameron having visions of granduer regarding Joe Flacco. He's determined to make this a high flying, bombs away, rack up the points offense, which in fairness, has been the case at times. But in the process of trying to establish this, he's sacrificed time of possession to the tune of being last in the league, leaving a very mediocre defense to fend for itself almost endlessly. And we all have seen the results. I think it's imperative for Harbaugh to finally look his favorite son in the face and say, "Cam, this is not going to work. We've got to grind it out and keep this defense on the side line. If we want to go anywhere this year, it's the only way as I see it." With the schedule this team has, I sure as hell hope that's what he said Monday. I guess we'll find out in Cleveland.
    Horrible coaching all the way around. Does Harbaugh really coach or just stand there with his mouth open? Seriously, is he just watching the game like the rest of us? Cameron's "performance" was horrible and yet we see no adjustments whatsoever. Harbaugh admitted it was his fault and it most certainly was. Why doesn't he intervene and grab Cameron and insist he do something differently? A coach needs to coach; Harbaugh is not doing that.

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