Benghazi Attack

[atomic]

I love how these news stations get one news story and beat it to death. What did 4 people die in this attack? That is probably the average number of people that are murdered during a typical Baltimore summer weekend. How about worrying about the safety of US citizens in this country instead of trying to make everything into a conspiracy theory.

[slapshot]

I love how these news stations get one news story and beat it to death. What did 4 people die in this attack? That is probably the average number of people that are murdered during a typical Baltimore summer weekend. How about worrying about the safety of US citizens in this country instead of trying to make everything into a conspiracy theory.

Yep.

[Mom49of4]

Now that Petraeus has resigned and Hillary isn't available to testify, where does that leave us?

What is the purpose of waiting for this investigation to be completed? We'll only hear what they want us to hear.

I still smell a rat.

[slapshot]

I still smell a rat.

I'm sure you do.

[SoSad]

I love how these news stations get one news story and beat it to death. What did 4 people die in this attack? That is probably the average number of people that are murdered during a typical Baltimore summer weekend. How about worrying about the safety of US citizens in this country instead of trying to make everything into a conspiracy theory.

If you aren't equipped to discuss this, that okay with me, but it certainly is curious that you bother to comment if it's so meaningless to you.

The above applies to slapshot as well.

I have yet to hear either of you discuss the CIF.

[SoSad]

Yep.

By the way, is there an Ambassador roaming the streets of Baltimore?

[WKDWZD]

Now that Petraeus has resigned and Hillary isn't available to testify, where does that leave us?

What is the purpose of waiting for this investigation to be completed? We'll only hear what they want us to hear.

That was always going to be the case, as it always has been through all political administrations.

[SoSad]

I still smell a rat.

Something's not right. I know part of it and most are in agreement on that point, but the rest is being kept under cover 'until the investigation is over' or there's no one left to testify.

[SoSad]

That was always going to be the case, as it always has been through all political administrations.

True for the most part, but not Watergate for example. The administration would have done better not to drag their feet on this one.

[WKDWZD]

True for the most part, but not Watergate for example. The administration would have done better not to drag their feet on this one.

You're going to find this difficult to believe but, were it not for reading the threads on this forum, I would not know of this 'conspiracy'. It is very much an American home bred theory. Seriously, try and find any real comment on it on the BBC website (my main source of news) or any other non US news source come to that.

[Creekman]

I still smell a rat.

Open your doors and windows. The air is fresher outside!

[WKDWZD]

Open your doors and windows. The air is fresher outside!

LOL... This reminded me of a line from a Douglas Adams novel "the best way to get fresh air in New York is to open a window and stick your head inside a building".

[SoSad]

You're going to find this difficult to believe but, were it not for reading the threads on this forum, I would not know of this 'conspiracy'. It is very much an American home bred theory. Seriously, try and find any real comment on it on the BBC website (my main source of news) or any other non US news source come to that.

I'm not talking about a conspiracy. I'm talking about the absence of a military unit. As for the rest, Obama and Hillary spoke about the investigation. That didn't make the papers there?

I"m not as familiar with the military units, their names, and responsibilities in your neck of the woods.

[Byng]

That was always going to be the case, as it always has been through all political administrations.

Add the CIA to the mix in general and a lead role in particular then it should not take a rocket scientist to work out why nobody is talking including the president? "I smell a rat" opines Mom! Hoping it is Obama's rat she is smelling. While still nobody of consequence is questioning why Stevens was in Benghazi in the first place with little or no security having to be rescued by the CIA when they are supposed to be there covertly and not having to break cover to go to the rescue of Stevens in the first place! The mind boggles

[Byng]

...........BTW, great Palace win yesterday!

[SoSad]

You're going to find this difficult to believe but, were it not for reading the threads on this forum, I would not know of this 'conspiracy'. It is very much an American home bred theory. Seriously, try and find any real comment on it on the BBC website (my main source of news) or any other non US news source come to that.

I'm not used to looking at one source, but I did the best I could.

In this article, from the BBC it states:

but host Jon Stewart also got serious and pressed Obama over the government's changing explanation about the September 11 attacks in Benghazi.
Of any breakdown that might have led to the killing of four Americans, Obama declared: "We're going to fix it."

So Obama is not denying the fact that the CIF was not present.

In this article, we hear from Woods:

A former US Army official who served in Libya says that the security situation in the country was a struggle in the months before a deadly attack on the country's Benghazi consulate

The presence of the CIF could have made a difference. Even it it didn't (which I doubt) they're supposed to be there.

We have this regarding a Welsh firm's involvement with security:

"We do know that security to some extent at the consulate was contracted out to this small firm, Blue Mountain, which was a little known firm that seemed to have some pre-existing presence in Libya and somehow managed to secure this contract.

"Certainly it seems from the reports that it's a little unusual that a firm this small could end up with a contract like this for a major American diplomatic outpost."

But again, no CIF.

There's more, but I think you get my point, or hopefully I've been clear about my concerns. The CIF isn't well known in the states, so I"m not surprised this isn't news elsewhere. It isn't in very many major papers here either, but that doesn't change anything.

[WKDWZD]

I'm not used to looking at one source, but I did the best I could.

In this article, from the BBC it states:



So Obama is not denying the fact that the CIF was not present.

In this article, we hear from Woods:



The presence of the CIF could have made a difference. Even it it didn't (which I doubt) they're supposed to be there.

We have this regarding a Welsh firm's involvement with security:



But again, no CIF.

There's more, but I think you get my point, or hopefully I've been clear about my concerns. The CIF isn't well known in the states, so I"m not surprised this isn't news elsewhere. It isn't in very many major papers here either, but that doesn't change anything.

So now you have seen for yourself the extent of the BBC's reporting of the Benghazi attack since the reports of the initial attack, which did make the headlines, and where there was no mention of terrorists or al-Quaida. Therefore I am to try to formulate an opinion on what is offered here and I admit that I am struggling. Too much politicking from biased posters makes it all very unclear. From an outsiders POV, assuming that al-Quaida was the protagonist of the attack on the consulate and based on what I have read here, I would say that I have to fall on the side of Byng's hypothesis.

You continue to use the anacronym 'CIF' which I do not understand, I believe Byng did mention what it was but I have to admit that I have forgotten it, if he did.

[Byng]

So now you have seen for yourself the extent of the BBC's reporting of the Benghazi attack since the reports of the initial attack, which did make the headlines, and where there was no mention of terrorists or al-Quaida. Therefore I am to try to formulate an opinion on what is offered here and I admit that I am struggling. Too much politicking from biased posters makes it all very unclear. From an outsiders POV, assuming that al-Quaida was the protagonist of the attack on the consulate and based on what I have read here, I would say that I have to fall on the side of Byng's hypothesis.

You continue to use the anacronym 'CIF' which I do not understand, I believe Byng did mention what it was but I have to admit that I have forgotten it, if he did.

Commanders’ In-Extremis Force (C.I.F.)

[SoSad]

So now you have seen for yourself the extent of the BBC's reporting of the Benghazi attack since the reports of the initial attack, which did make the headlines, and where there was no mention of terrorists or al-Quaida. Therefore I am to try to formulate an opinion on what is offered here and I admit that I am struggling. Too much politicking from biased posters makes it all very unclear. From an outsiders POV, assuming that al-Quaida was the protagonist of the attack on the consulate and based on what I have read here, I would say that I have to fall on the side of Byng's hypothesis.

You continue to use the anacronym 'CIF' which I do not understand, I believe Byng did mention what it was but I have to admit that I have forgotten it, if he did.

I also provided a link. This will be my 4th time, not that I mind, but please know I haven't made any attempt to hide anything.

Africa Command, established in 2007 as the Pentagon's newest four-star regional headquarters, did not have on hand what every other regional combatant command has: its own force with the ability to respond rapidly to emergencies — a Commanders' In-Extremis Force, or CIF.
To respond to the Benghazi attack, the Africa Command had to borrow the CIF of the European Command because its own force is still in training. It also had no AC-130 gunships or armed drones readily available that night.

[BlandFood]

After Romney's loss, Benghazi is irrelevant to some people

4 quality people, easily worth more than 500,000 of the trash that inhabits Balto City?