Deangelo Hall

[OriginalColtsFan]

Bernard Pollard makes headlines for hitting guys too hard in a league that is unfortunately slowly changing to where someday "hard hits" will be taken out of the game altogether. I agree, Hines Ward would have been adored as a Ravens player. I always respected how Ward played the game, and at the same time, took great pleasure in seeing guys like Johnson and Lewis put him on the sidelines for the final minutes of games in his last season. The Ravens probably would have beaten the Steelers 2 or 3 more times through the early / mid 00s if Ward wasn't getting in the head of Chris McAlister and company.

Hall has spent much of his career letting his God complex (same thing that made Ben R. such a Richard Cranium until lately, maybe) affect how he dealt with everyone and everything around him, on and off the field.

Personally, I think the difference is this... while we tend to like / dislike the PLAYER based on his uniform... guys like Pollard and Ward leave behind a trail of teammates and coaches that will say they loved working with them, regardless of how the fan world views them. A guy like Hall seems to leave behind a trail of former teams, coaches, and teammates that aren't sad to see him go.

Fair point(s).

And while my examples aren't perfect analogies, it highlights an ongoing pattern here with a lot of Ravens fans: When players are here, they're the best. When they leave, they're ingrates, trash, etc. Similarly, when players of other teams do the same types of things that Ravens players do, they're somehow wrong. But as soon as players join the Ravens, they're the greatest. It's been going on for over a decade.

(Somewhat O/T but similar as well...for YEARS...the Ravens refused to pay FBs big money, and for YEARS they did a great job of continuing to bring in new low salary FBs to block. And Ravens fans screamed from the tops of their lungs how great that approach was, when questions were asked about why LoNeal, Ovie, LeRon, and others weren't re-signed. Then, the minute the Ravens reversed course and paid big bucks/over-paid for Leach, THAT became the best move possible. It's just another example of whatever the Ravens do is right/great, and that's just ludicrous.)

[DkBlue]

I would expect you to disagree because your a Steeler ball washer(that's your team so its fine). Just because I don't respond like you doesn't mean that my viewpoint is less.

Your boy was a dirty player. Its pretty cut and dried.

Good luck with that.

[Ravens75]

Fair point(s).

And while my examples aren't perfect analogies, it highlights an ongoing pattern here with a lot of Ravens fans: When players are here, they're the best. When they leave, they're ingrates, trash, etc. Similarly, when players of other teams do the same types of things that Ravens players do, they're somehow wrong. But as soon as players join the Ravens, they're the greatest. It's been going on for over a decade.

(Somewhat O/T but similar as well...for YEARS...the Ravens refused to pay FBs big money, and for YEARS they did a great job of continuing to bring in new low salary FBs to block. And Ravens fans screamed from the tops of their lungs how great that approach was, when questions were asked about why LoNeal, Ovie, LeRon, and others weren't re-signed. Then, the minute the Ravens reversed course and paid big bucks/over-paid for Leach, THAT became the best move possible. It's just another example of whatever the Ravens do is right/great, and that's just ludicrous.)

So fans of the Colts or Chiefs or insert team name don't? That's bull s h i t.

Some fans do as you suggest but its not even most or all.

I wonder how your act would play over on 24X7?

[Ravens75]

Good luck with that.

So if I along with several others say that Ben is great would you disagree? I think not.

Look not every Raven is a saint and neither is Hines Ward.

He made himself a target with all of his unnecessary crap. If he played like Troy which was clean but nasty he wouldn't be thought of as dirty.

Troy gets 100% respect and I've watched him knock cats into tomorrow because he's not the punk that Ward is.

And if he was a Raven I would've been extremely luke warm as would most of the other Raven fans.

We aren't these gullible suck ups that Colts Fan and 2006 make us out to be.

[DkBlue]

So if I along with several others say that Ben is great would you disagree? I think not.

Look not every Raven is a saint and neither is Hines Ward.

He made himself a target with all of his unnecessary crap. If he played like Troy which was clean but nasty he wouldn't be thought of as dirty.

Troy gets 100% respect and I've watched him knock cats into tomorrow because he's not the punk that Ward is.

And if he was a Raven I would've been extremely luke warm as would most of the other Raven fans.

We aren't these gullible suck ups that Colts Fan and 2006 make us out to be.

Never said he was a saint. He played on the edge and he took as many hard hits as he delivered because of the way he played. One of the great Steelers in thir history.

[OriginalColtsFan]

So fans of the Colts or Chiefs or insert team name don't? That's bull s h i t.

Some fans do as you suggest but its not even most or all.

I wonder how your act would play over on 24X7?

LOL. You're such an angry little fella, aren't you?

[johnpolitics]

Hall is still mad about Victor Cruz beating him like a drum!

[Ravens75]

Never said he was a saint. He played on the edge and he took as many hard hits as he delivered because of the way he played. One of the great Steelers in thir history.

He played over the edge which led him to take some unnecessary shots.

I do agree that he's one of the great Steelers but he tarnished his overall image.

[Ravens75]

LOL. You're such an angry little fella, aren't you?

Not angry at all son. I just don't like bull s h i t artists such as yourself.

[Brohan]

I live in Prince Georges county and its not what morons like Brohan and bawlmer say it is.

Keep your comments to the player and not the area.

You are right, I apologize.

The only team that plays football in DC is the United.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Not angry at all son. I just don't like bull s h i t artists such as yourself.

LOL. You're the biggest BS artist here. You can't even admit when you're angry, which is most of the time.

Now stop stalking me, okay?

[Ravens2006]

Fair point(s).

And while my examples aren't perfect analogies, it highlights an ongoing pattern here with a lot of Ravens fans: When players are here, they're the best. When they leave, they're ingrates, trash, etc. Similarly, when players of other teams do the same types of things that Ravens players do, they're somehow wrong. But as soon as players join the Ravens, they're the greatest. It's been going on for over a decade...

I don't think that's specific to just Ravens fans in the least... that's a mindset you'll see in fans of every team, everywhere.

[Ravenboy2003]

This thread is funny.

I got a technical foul coaching girls basketball last year because I got snippy with the ref. Should I move to PG County too?

LOL!

I'm sure the Steelers WR's were getting chippy with Hall and the refs missed something. That's usually how it happens. The guy snapped at the refs. It happens! Bernard Pollard snapped at a ref. It happens!

And one more thing.. there's not a Ravens fan that can honestly say that they wouldn't have liked to have Hines Ward on our team all those years we were stinking it up in the passing game. The guy was one of the best possession receivers of his era and played like a mean SOB too.. Did he take cheap shots? Yes, that was part of his game. He was a throwback to the 70's when hits like that were the norm across the league.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I don't think that's specific to just Ravens fans in the least... that's a mindset you'll see in fans of every team, everywhere.

I'm not sure about that. I never saw a Pittsburgh fan rag on Joey Porter because he wanted more money and went to the 'Fins. If that had been a Ravens player, as it HAS in fact happened when Ravens players left to get more money, it would have been totally different.

[DkBlue]

I don't think that's specific to just Ravens fans in the least... that's a mindset you'll see in fans of every team, everywhere.

You're right, all fan bases excuse their guys but have no quarter for opponents. The whole fan phenomenon is based on the aggression created by NFL marketing.

It is almost comical to go to a game and see everyone including fat grandmas wearing football jerseys. The pseudo jocks who have never played a down become the real tough guys and are looking for blood on the field.

Listen to the drum beats at a college game and it will be similar to a Roman Legion marching into battle.

The fan sees no reason for their team to lose. It had to be the officials, the field, the weather, and of course the coaches calling the wrong plays.

The last is the most comical. Ask the average fan to diagram an NFL defense and design a play against it and you will have high comedy.

I do see teams like the Cowboys, the Ravens, and the Steelers throw it thirty yards downfield on 3rd and 4 and wonder who was smoking what but later the film shows that is what the defense allowed them to take.

It is a great game to watch and enjoy but when it turns to war it is playing into the hands of the marketing gurus.

[Navypost]

PG county is a sheethole. The Redskins play in PG county. Race has nothing to do with it.

That why I like southerners. There more upfront about there racism. Up here ppl hide behind keyboards and word play to express there racism. David Dukes would be ashamed of you Brohan
And btw Bmore is a major ****hole from Dundalk to Pigtown to Glen Burnie "hon"

[Navypost]

D-Hall needs to get cut. Was a typical Danny move to not sign your best corner because he could not caught ints. But sign a overrated VA Tech guy who was dismissed out of the NFL by the ATL. I kinda feel bad for RG3. He has know idea what he just signed up for. I would have done the John Elway move on the Redskins for the draft

[Ravens2006]

I'm not sure about that. I never saw a Pittsburgh fan rag on Joey Porter because he wanted more money and went to the 'Fins. If that had been a Ravens player, as it HAS in fact happened when Ravens players left to get more money, it would have been totally different.

While I won't bother checking out message board posts from 5 years ago ... when the Steelers parted ways with Porter, they tried briefly to trade him, then wound up actually releasing him for a couple of reasons, primary being cap room considerations. So he didn't just hit FA and go looking for the highest offer, they pushed him out the door. Hard to hold it against a guy for being released. I don't remember a lot of people in this area slamming Jamie Sharper for getting himself released during the "cap purge" period... the majority opinion was basically, "bummer we have to lose him, he's a good player". And he didn't sign with a close rival, so there was none of that to consider either.

I certainly do remember a lot of rumbling in the late 90s / early 00s in Steeler-land when a high-profile player would go elsewhere, and they always fell short of another ring despite a lot of good teams / good records. There was always bitterness at the guys who left, and there was complaining about the Steelers F.O. not "spending" enough to keep their best players. Now that they've won a couple rings again in the last 7 years, the "not spending" route is lauded as the right way to go, while teams like the Cowboys and Redskins spend and routinely don't even make the playoffs. Whatever works...

Roberto Alomar was public enemy number one in Cleveland around the '96 timeframe. A few years later he was adored while wearing an Indians uniform. Clemens was hated in NY and loved in BOS when he was with the Red Sox. He was hated in BOS when he left to sign a mega-deal with the Blue Jays. Then he was hated in BOS and loved in NY when he was with the Yankees. Now he's hated most everywhere.

I'll let it go here. Agree to disagree, but I don't think there's any difference at all in the fan's mindset from one market to another...

[OriginalColtsFan]

While I won't bother checking out message board posts from 5 years ago ... when the Steelers parted ways with Porter, they tried briefly to trade him, then wound up actually releasing him for a couple of reasons, primary being cap room considerations. So he didn't just hit FA and go looking for the highest offer, they pushed him out the door. Hard to hold it against a guy for being released. I don't remember a lot of people in this area slamming Jamie Sharper for getting himself released during the "cap purge" period... the majority opinion was basically, "bummer we have to lose him, he's a good player". And he didn't sign with a close rival, so there was none of that to consider either.

I certainly do remember a lot of rumbling in the late 90s / early 00s in Steeler-land when a high-profile player would go elsewhere, and they always fell short of another ring despite a lot of good teams / good records. There was always bitterness at the guys who left, and there was complaining about the Steelers F.O. not "spending" enough to keep their best players. Now that they've won a couple rings again in the last 7 years, the "not spending" route is lauded as the right way to go, while teams like the Cowboys and Redskins spend and routinely don't even make the playoffs. Whatever works...

Roberto Alomar was public enemy number one in Cleveland around the '96 timeframe. A few years later he was adored while wearing an Indians uniform. Clemens was hated in NY and loved in BOS when he was with the Red Sox. He was hated in BOS when he left to sign a mega-deal with the Blue Jays. Then he was hated in BOS and loved in NY when he was with the Yankees. Now he's hated most everywhere.

I'll let it go here. Agree to disagree, but I don't think there's any difference at all in the fan's mindset from one market to another...

Did Pats fans go apechit when Seymour ended up with the Raiders? Did Colts fans go apechit when Peyton ended up with the Broncs? Etc. Etc. Yeah, in general, fans are fans anywhere. Some are better, some are worse. But Ravens fans have a long history of...well...let's just leave it at that and agree to disagree.

[DkBlue]

While I won't bother checking out message board posts from 5 years ago ... when the Steelers parted ways with Porter, they tried briefly to trade him, then wound up actually releasing him for a couple of reasons, primary being cap room considerations. So he didn't just hit FA and go looking for the highest offer, they pushed him out the door. Hard to hold it against a guy for being released. I don't remember a lot of people in this area slamming Jamie Sharper for getting himself released during the "cap purge" period... the majority opinion was basically, "bummer we have to lose him, he's a good player". And he didn't sign with a close rival, so there was none of that to consider either.

I certainly do remember a lot of rumbling in the late 90s / early 00s in Steeler-land when a high-profile player would go elsewhere, and they always fell short of another ring despite a lot of good teams / good records. There was always bitterness at the guys who left, and there was complaining about the Steelers F.O. not "spending" enough to keep their best players. Now that they've won a couple rings again in the last 7 years, the "not spending" route is lauded as the right way to go, while teams like the Cowboys and Redskins spend and routinely don't even make the playoffs. Whatever works...

Roberto Alomar was public enemy number one in Cleveland around the '96 timeframe. A few years later he was adored while wearing an Indians uniform. Clemens was hated in NY and loved in BOS when he was with the Red Sox. He was hated in BOS when he left to sign a mega-deal with the Blue Jays. Then he was hated in BOS and loved in NY when he was with the Yankees. Now he's hated most everywhere.

I'll let it go here. Agree to disagree, but I don't think there's any difference at all in the fan's mindset from one market to another...

The no spending thing is a myth. What happened is they paid their own good players rather than free agents. Note team payrolls.

2012 NFL Salaries by Team
Team | 2012 Salary Total | Year Over Year Change
Detroit Lions | $118,300,000 | -1%
Houston Texans | $118,300,000 | -3%
Atlanta Falcons | $117,200,000 | -4%
San Francisco 49ers | $117,100,000 | 12%
New York Giants | $117,000,000 | -1%
Miami Dolphins | $116,600,000 | -2%
St. Louis Rams | $116,600,000 | -4%
San Diego Chargers | $116,500,000 | -1%
Pittsburgh Steelers | $116,100,000 | -2%
Baltimore Ravens | $115,300,000 | -5%
Dallas Cowboys | $115,300,000 | -1%
Oakland Raiders | $114,600,000 | 0%
Chicago Bears | $114,300,000 | 13%
Washington Redskins | $113,100,000 | 3%
Buffalo Bills | $112,700,000 | 17%
New York Jets | $112,500,000 | -1%
New Orleans Saints | $112,400,000 | -7%
Minnesota Vikings | $111,700,000 | -10%
Carolina Panthers | $111,400,000 | -8%
New England Patriots | $110,600,000 | -2%
Arizona Cardinals | $110,600,000 | 4%
Indianapolis Colts | $110,500,000 | -3%
Denver Broncos | $109,500,000 | 7%
Green Bay Packers | $109,000,000 | 0%
Seattle Seahawks | $107,400,000 | 2%
Cleveland Browns | $107,300,000 | 11%
Tampa Bay Buccaneers | $105,700,000 | 14%
Cincinnati Bengals | $105,400,000 | 13%
Tennessee Titans | $103,600,000 | -11%
Philadelphia Eagles | $100,400,000 | -19%
Kansas City Chiefs | $94,000,000 | 1%
Jacksonville Jaguars | $91,900,000 | -1%