3 reasons why Dunbar vs St Frances is the next great rivalry

[TheGuru]

bro, your hate for Dunbar is incredible lol

I'm not you bro but I do have a strong dislike for Dunbar football which was born when they raided Calvert Hall for 4-5 players when Donald Davis was trying to build a program. Now that they'll be moving up in classification I can turn my attention elsewhere because they won't be near as dominant against 2A competition. I do like their basketball program. It's run by a fellow Mountaineer and his kids have some semblance of humility despite their success.

Btw, I hear that the Poets don't want a rematch against Calvert Hall next season. I hope it's not true. I'd love to see a loaded CHC team roll over the Poets again.

[First_Down]

Dunbar raided or kids/parents made a choice!!! It seems to me that you would think if a kid selects a private school then he had a choice. But if a kids goes from private to public, he couldn't measure up, was beat out, or someone raided the booty. I say you're a hater if not BJC's bro, bro... And I'm still calling Gilman and GA Your Daddy!

Just sayin'

[Outside Looking In]

Dunbar raided or kids/parents made a choice!!! It seems to me that you would think if a kid selects a private school then he had a choice. But if a kids goes from private to public, he couldn't measure up, was beat out, or someone raided the booty. I say you're a hater if not BJC's bro, bro... And I'm still calling Gilman and GA Your Daddy!

Just sayin'

It is quite common knowledge that Dunbar openly recruited kids away from CHC. That is why there is no love lost between the two programs. I too, would love to see CHC stomp a hole in Dunbar yet again next season so hopefully the game happens.

[First_Down]

It is quite common knowledge that Dunbar openly recruited kids away from CHC. That is why there is no love lost between the two programs. I too, would love to see CHC stomp a hole in Dunbar yet again next season so hopefully the game happens.

So the former shack on Orleans with no playing field of its own could successfully "raid" the pristine Halls of Calvert with its top-flight academics and other stellar attributes!! If that was truly the case, maybe The Hall should have been raided. I mean come on, if Morgan State can raid WVU of players, then the Mountaineer just ain't all that. So The Hall can't be worth all the hoopla, ya think? You said you attended Potomac. Could Potomac had raided DeMatha in your day?

Just sayin'

[Outside Looking In]

So the former shack on Orleans with no playing field of its own could successfully "raid" the pristine Halls of Calvert with its top-flight academics and other stellar attributes!! If that was truly the case, maybe The Hall should have been raided. I mean come on, if Morgan State can raid WVU of players, then the Mountaineer just ain't all that. So The Hall can't be worth all the hoopla, ya think? You said you attended Potomac. Could Potomac had raided DeMatha in your day?

Just sayin'

I think we can agree that CHC and Dematha are not even in the same conversation when it comes to football success, so that is not a fiar comparison.

But to answer your question yes Dunbar could have easily enticed players away from CHC at that time.

First,CHC was not winning, they were still mediocre. Dunbar has had a lot of success. At that time Dunbar could tout the number of players going D1 where CHC could not. Dunbar was winning multiple state championships where CHC was winning nothing. Dunbar has a respectable academic reputation compared to the rest of the City. And many of the Dunbar/CHC players were friends and worked out together all summer.

Just sayin'

[First_Down]

I think we can agree that CHC and Dematha are not even in the same conversation when it comes to football success, so that is not a fiar comparison.

But to answer your question yes Dunbar could have easily enticed players away from CHC at that time.

First,CHC was not winning, they were still mediocre. Dunbar has had a lot of success. At that time Dunbar could tout the number of players going D1 where CHC could not. Dunbar was winning multiple state championships where CHC was winning nothing. Dunbar has a respectable academic reputation compared to the rest of the City. And many of the Dunbar/CHC players were friends and worked out together all summer.

Just sayin'

Okay, I'm easy OLI. Could Potomac take players from McNamara or Riverside Baptist if DeMatha is too much for you! The issue is not raiding CHC as oppose to kids/parents who made choices for themselves. Dunbar doesn't have to raid; kids wanted to be at Dunbar for all the reason you eloquently related and more. Again, that is NOT raiding but a clear example of the haves being able to get more and the have nots being that because they have nothing to offer. Now that CHC is on the up side, they are "raiding" the have nots, or folks are making choices. See how that works.

Just sayin'

[TheGuru]

Trip, I mean FirstDown, you again show that you know nothing of what goes on in the Baltimore area as far as football is concerned. The Dunbar kids who transferred did so as seniors, not sophomores or juniors. CHC does not accept senior transfers unless the family move to MD from another state.

I'm sure parental financial concerns played a part in the transfers but I'd bet the farm that Dunbar's coaching staff promised parents tons of exposure to college recruiters and a state championship to the transferees. Funny thing, Dunbar didn't win the 'ship and one kid went to UNLV and the others went to smaller colleges. IMO, the same would have happened had the players not transferred to Eastside Prep and they all would've had a CHC diploma to boot.

Now, back on ignore. Just sayin...

[First_Down]

Trip, I mean FirstDown, you again show that you know nothing of what goes on in the Baltimore area as far as football is concerned. The Dunbar kids who transferred did so as seniors, not sophomores or juniors. CHC does not accept senior transfers unless the family move to MD from another state.

I'm sure parental financial concerns played a part in the transfers but I'd bet the farm that Dunbar's coaching staff promised parents tons of exposure to college recruiters and a state championship to the transferees. Funny thing, Dunbar didn't win the 'ship and one kid went to UNLV and the others went to smaller colleges. IMO, the same would have happened had the players not transferred to Eastside Prep and they all would've had a CHC diploma to boot.

Now, back on ignore. Just sayin...

So you are just hung up on rules; the rules the public schools have for enrollement as oppose to the rules CHC have for its school. Any public school in Maryland will allow a transfer, regardless of freshman. sophomore, junior, senior status, to a school if a student fulfils the enrollment requirement. Now there are rules about in-season transfers and playing in publics. Are you bothered that Dunbar does not abide by CHC enrollment rules? But I'm thinking, if I were a senior coming up and I wanted to attend CHC and I qualified academically AND my folks were going to pay the bills, are you telling me that CHC would NOT allow the transfer or are you saying that I would not be able to play football -- even if my folks paid the bills. Come on guru!!!! It's a private school --- a business. Seniors transfer all the time guru. Didn't a couple brothers, one a senior QB, at DeMatha transfer weeks or days before the start of school to a public school?

Now if the Dunbar coaches promised your stray kids exposure and championship as you say, then they fulfilled their promise. The fact that many didn't go to USC and LSU and Alabama may be more on the talent level of the kids. Maybe the CHC transfers were of the UNLV and other smaller school caliber. And yes they could have done the same at CHC BUT they made a choice for themselves and not a choice you would have made for them as a CHC loyalists.

Here is what I'm going to try to do. I'm going to research where all the seniors of the 2102 team ended up. Tell me guru, will I see them at Notre Dame, Georgia, Texas, Michigan and all the other places where high school players who are the best money can buy end up?

And why would you want to ignore me? Is it something I might have said. I'm not tripping; just calling it as I see it. And I do like your just sayin' signature... Did you raid that!

Just sayin'

[theOddOne]

No this was the varsity game vs Severn. And has been confirmed thru conversation w/ a AD.

Sorry the AD was completely wrong its was the fresh/soph team, plus the last 2 varsity games were forfeit by Friends and Mt Carmel what's up with that. And then Mt. Carmel found a team for SFA to play this past friday in VA (St Paul) score 54 -0, and paid for the charter buses. Is it that bad wow.

[BmoreCounty99]

So you are just hung up on rules; the rules the public schools have for enrollement as oppose to the rules CHC have for its school. Any public school in Maryland will allow a transfer, regardless of freshman. sophomore, junior, senior status, to a school if a student fulfils the enrollment requirement. Now there are rules about in-season transfers and playing in publics. Are you bothered that Dunbar does not abide by CHC enrollment rules? But I'm thinking, if I were a senior coming up and I wanted to attend CHC and I qualified academically AND my folks were going to pay the bills, are you telling me that CHC would NOT allow the transfer or are you saying that I would not be able to play football -- even if my folks paid the bills. Come on guru!!!! It's a private school --- a business. Seniors transfer all the time guru. Didn't a couple brothers, one a senior QB, at DeMatha transfer weeks or days before the start of school to a public school?

Now if the Dunbar coaches promised your stray kids exposure and championship as you say, then they fulfilled their promise. The fact that many didn't go to USC and LSU and Alabama may be more on the talent level of the kids. Maybe the CHC transfers were of the UNLV and other smaller school caliber. And yes they could have done the same at CHC BUT they made a choice for themselves and not a choice you would have made for them as a CHC loyalists.

Here is what I'm going to try to do. I'm going to research where all the seniors of the 2102 team ended up. Tell me guru, will I see them at Notre Dame, Georgia, Texas, Michigan and all the other places where high school players who are the best money can buy end up?

And why would you want to ignore me? Is it something I might have said. I'm not tripping; just calling it as I see it. And I do like your just sayin' signature... Did you raid that!

Just sayin'

Not true. All public schools do not let transfers of all years. I know for a fact that Eastern Tech will only accept 10th grade transfers for career majors that are under enrolled. And they only opened that up 3 years ago. Eastern Tech and I am assuming the other full magnet schools in Bmore County, Western Tech and Carver do not accept 11th and 12th graders because they cannot.

[First_Down]

Not true. All public schools do not let transfers of all years. I know for a fact that Eastern Tech will only accept 10th grade transfers for career majors that are under enrolled. And they only opened that up 3 years ago. Eastern Tech and I am assuming the other full magnet schools in Bmore County, Western Tech and Carver do not accept 11th and 12th graders because they cannot.

What you say is for enrollment in the school and not a restriction to play football as the guru indicates, correct? I did say a student otherwise would fulfill the enrollment requirements of the school, did I not? Of course magnet schools do not allow senior transfer to their schools with specialized developmental programs. But to tell me that I could not transfer to CHC and not play sports if my folks are paying 20, 25, or up to $30,000 dollars for me to attend the school is asinine to me, if I'm otherwise qualified and there is space available. Come on BC99, et al.!!!!

Just sayin'

[TheGuru]

What you say is for enrollment in the school and not a restriction to play football as the guru indicates, correct? I did say a student otherwise would fulfill the enrollment requirements of the school, did I not? Of course magnet schools do not allow senior transfer to their schools with specialized developmental programs. But to tell me that I could not transfer to CHC and not play sports if my folks are paying 20, 25, or up to $30,000 dollars for me to attend the school is asinine to me, if I'm otherwise qualified and there is space available. Come on BC99, et al.!!!!

Just sayin'

From the CHC website:


Transfer students (applying for 10th or 11th grade) must submit the following to be considered for admission:

1. Submit a Calvert Hall Application. *

2. Submit grades (current report card along with final
report cards for the previous two years if available)
& standardized testing scores (if available).

Calvert Hall makes decisions on transfer students on an individual basis. As soon as we receive all of the above information, and your file is complete, we will contact you directly.

Note: 12th grade transfers are only considered if family is relocating to the Maryland area.

I believe the ban on seniors transfers is also a MIAA A Conference rule also.

[First_Down]

From the CHC website:


Transfer students (applying for 10th or 11th grade) must submit the following to be considered for admission:

1. Submit a Calvert Hall Application. *

2. Submit grades (current report card along with final
report cards for the previous two years if available)
& standardized testing scores (if available).

Calvert Hall makes decisions on transfer students on an individual basis. As soon as we receive all of the above information, and your file is complete, we will contact you directly.

Note: 12th grade transfers are only considered if family is relocating to the Maryland area.

I believe the ban on seniors transfers is also a MIAA A Conference rule also.

Okay fine guru BUT that is the rules the Calvert Hall entity decided for itself. Dunbar and other publics schools following the rules established for them by the Baltimore Public School System. You cannot place the burden of MIAA rules on publics no more than public schools can force Calvert Hall or other MIAA schools to follow public school rules. Calvert Hall could say they don't want any kids above 6' and 200 pounds. That would be their rule. If Dunbar has no rule on height and weight, then you can't cry foul over that guru since you are saying Dunbar allow senior transfers. You (Calvert) say no, Dunbar through the Baltimore Public School System allows it. That's the rules of the respective organizations. Get over it.

Does Calvert have a rule about enrolling females? What about Dunbar? See how that works!

Just sayin'

[44Defense]

What you say is for enrollment in the school and not a restriction to play football as the guru indicates, correct? I did say a student otherwise would fulfill the enrollment requirements of the school, did I not? Of course magnet schools do not allow senior transfer to their schools with specialized developmental programs. But to tell me that I could not transfer to CHC and not play sports if my folks are paying 20, 25, or up to $30,000 dollars for me to attend the school is asinine to me, if I'm otherwise qualified and there is space available. Come on BC99, et al.!!!!

Just sayin'

thats why only won 1 game this year.

[TheGuru]

Okay fine guru BUT that is the rules the Calvert Hall entity decided for itself. Dunbar and other publics schools following the rules established for them by the Baltimore Public School System. You cannot place the burden of MIAA rules on publics no more than public schools can force Calvert Hall or other MIAA schools to follow public school rules. Calvert Hall could say they don't want any kids above 6' and 200 pounds. That would be their rule. If Dunbar has no rule on height and weight, then you can't cry foul over that guru since you are saying Dunbar allow senior transfers. You (Calvert) say no, Dunbar through the Baltimore Public School System allows it. That's the rules of the respective organizations. Get over it.

Does Calvert have a rule about enrolling females? What about Dunbar? See how that works!

Just sayin'

I never said I care one way or another that Baltimore City allows senior transfers. I had a problem with Dunbar raiding CHC when its new coach was trying to build a program. As usual you go off on a tangent which has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

If you had one team that you followed, instead of the 6-7 you mentioned in the past, you might understand if your team had 4-5 seniors transfer to your team's main rival. You most likely would be pissed off like I was.

[eaglesinsider]

Sorry the AD was completely wrong its was the fresh/soph team, plus the last 2 varsity games were forfeit by Friends and Mt Carmel what's up with that. And then Mt. Carmel found a team for SFA to play this past friday in VA (St Paul) score 54 -0, and paid for the charter buses. Is it that bad wow.

Some people would say that when there are several conference opponents who refuse to play you because they feel that you are going about things the wrong way that it is more indicative of a problem with your problem than theirs.

If I was an MIAA head coach I would refuse to play SFA as well, I believe the way they are running their program endangers kids on the other teams. I can not in good conscience risk my kids (especially at a school like Friends that does absolutely no football recruiting) getting seriously injured playing a team with a 5th year players. SFA is among the most low-class teams I've ever heard of. Their coaching staff may be successful on the field, but they fail at a much more important aspect of coaching: teaching kids key life lessons like humility, honor in winning and respect for your opponent. SFA screwed themselves with the Baltimore Lutheran game. It's no wonder the other C Conference teams don't want to play them after they put 72 points up on Baltimore Lutheran and kept the starters in with 70 points on the board. It devalues the reputation of the MIAA to have a team like this associated with them.

[44Defense]

Some people would say that when there are several conference opponents who refuse to play you because they feel that you are going about things the wrong way that it is more indicative of a problem with your problem than theirs.

If I was an MIAA head coach I would refuse to play SFA as well, I believe the way they are running their program endangers kids on the other teams. I can not in good conscience risk my kids (especially at a school like Friends that does absolutely no football recruiting) getting seriously injured playing a team with a 5th year players. SFA is among the most low-class teams I've ever heard of. Their coaching staff may be successful on the field, but they fail at a much more important aspect of coaching: teaching kids key life lessons like humility, honor in winning and respect for your opponent. SFA screwed themselves with the Baltimore Lutheran game. It's no wonder the other C Conference teams don't want to play them after they put 72 points up on Baltimore Lutheran and kept the starters in with 70 points on the board. It devalues the reputation of the MIAA to have a team like this associated with them.

I completely disagree! He is giving an opportunity to inner city kids to not only get a private school education but to play top notch football. This is why St. Frances should pay their coach well to keep him.

[BmoreCounty99]

thats why only won 1 game this year.

That is why ET went to the state finals three years in a row and won it in 2009. Sometimes schools go throug rough patches.

[TheGuru]

I have no problem with SFA in the MIAA A Conference as long as they follow the rules. Go to the B conference for two seasons. If its true, they should stop fifth year players. No senior transfers. As they move up in competition they won't be able to run up the score on anybody in the A Conference. They'll probably get a few running clocks put on them in there first few years in the league.

[44Defense]

That is why ET went to the state finals three years in a row and won it in 2009. Sometimes schools go throug rough patches.

I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Not the coaches or communities fault the principal is tough on student admittance. This has also impacted their baseball program.