3 reasons why Dunbar vs St Frances is the next great rivalry

[theOddOne]

Some people would say that when there are several conference opponents who refuse to play you because they feel that you are going about things the wrong way that it is more indicative of a problem with your problem than theirs.

If I was an MIAA head coach I would refuse to play SFA as well, I believe the way they are running their program endangers kids on the other teams. I can not in good conscience risk my kids (especially at a school like Friends that does absolutely no football recruiting) getting seriously injured playing a team with a 5th year players. SFA is among the most low-class teams I've ever heard of. Their coaching staff may be successful on the field, but they fail at a much more important aspect of coaching: teaching kids key life lessons like humility, honor in winning and respect for your opponent. SFA screwed themselves with the Baltimore Lutheran game. It's no wonder the other C Conference teams don't want to play them after they put 72 points up on Baltimore Lutheran and kept the starters in with 70 points on the board. It devalues the reputation of the MIAA to have a team like this associated with them.

Whatever if this was CHC, Gilman or another MIAA A or B school you wouldn't hear anything, and please name any 5 years seniors on this team, please cause just like you and everyone else have no clue what you talking about. Stop listening to other people unless there on the team, Clueless

[First_Down]

I never said I care one way or another that Baltimore City allows senior transfers. I had a problem with Dunbar raiding CHC when its new coach was trying to build a program. As usual you go off on a tangent which has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

If you had one team that you followed, instead of the 6-7 you mentioned in the past, you might understand if your team had 4-5 seniors transfer to your team's main rival. You most likely would be pissed off like I was.

Sport, you didn't need to say whether or not you cared about Baltimore County. B-More County came up because a B-More County poster stepped up with a comment about B-More County. You obviously have a boner over Dunbar and you have stated so because you think Dunbar raided your beloved Hall. I call it kids/parents making a choice -- if in fact it even happened -- they felt it was best for them rather then you making a choice of what you think would have been best for your football entertainment. Kids playing high school football is a dime a dozen. No kid or kids are better or equal to any stellar program. Lose a kid, another will replace him. Lose two, and two will replace them. Lose ten, and ten will replace them. See how that works guru? Building a team is like construction work. There will always be waste material; some materials that don't quite make it into the sturcture of the building. If some players opted not to be part of Calvert Hall, so be it. That happens across the board. Get over it and stop be so pissed. That too is a waste like the construction materials.

[theOddOne]

I would like to put a shootout to my nephew James Staten III of Loch Raven High School, great last game. I know it was a tough season which you only played 4 complete games due to high ankle injury but you got your man. And congrats I heard you will be attend Mount Union University in Ohio I will be watching.

Friday stats:
8 catches 110 yards
5 solo tackles/ 4 asst tackles
3 punt returner 40 yards
2 kickoff returnes 30 yards
0 catches from the other team playing DB

Positions: WR, QB, DB, FS, PR, KOR

Not bad son which you were healthy the whole season.

[First_Down]

Whatever if this was CHC, Gilman or another MIAA A or B school you wouldn't hear anything, and please name any 5 years seniors on this team, please cause just like you and everyone else have no clue what you talking about. Stop listening to other people unless there on the team, Clueless

What about the kid who once QB'd at Dunbar when they beat de Grace a couple years ago? Isn't he in the 2014 class? So he must have led Dunbar as freshman in 2010, right?

[theOddOne]

What about the kid who once QB'd at Dunbar when they beat de Grace a couple years ago? Isn't he in the 2014 class? So he must have led Dunbar as freshman in 2010, right?

See just like everyone else he's ( Estep) graduating in 2013. You don't know what you talking about plus he don't start.

[Sizzle]

See just like everyone else he's ( Estep) graduating in 2013. You don't know what you talking about plus he don't start.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...d-Estep-142788


I wish the young man success but it appears he is now in the class of 2014. He most likely may not have been able to transfer his credits from public to private. Often times kids have difficulting going from Dunbar to an academic institution like SFA. I am sure the MIAA is aware and SFA has been open about it. Enough and let's move on.

[First_Down]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...d-Estep-142788


I wish the young man success but it appears he is now in the class of 2014. He most likely may not have been able to transfer his credits from public to private. Often times kids have difficulting going from Dunbar to an academic institution like SFA. I am sure the MIAA is aware and SFA has been open about it. Enough and let's move on.

And just for the record, credit transfer issues just don't happen in going from a public school like Dunbar to an "academic Institution" like SFA -- like Dunbar is not an academic instituion but a sports club. I recall an All-Met kid named Melvin Robinson from Annandale High in Virginia transfered to a public school in Maryland for his senior season. He was able to do so because he had parents or relatives in both areas he could claim residents. He had an offer from WVU but learned that he would not be able to graduate from the school he transfered to in Maryland because of the transfer credits issue. The kid returned to Annandale after just weeks in the Maryland school. However, the Annandale football team would not welcome the Robinson kid back on the team so he had to sit out the season and of course WVU rescinded the offer when he didn't play that senior year. The kid graduated from Annandale that school year with the credits he had but he would not have graduated from the Maryland school.

Just sayin' for the record.

And it's not enough just yet and we shouldn't move on. I got a PM that indictates we should ask about Mark Velasquez-MMA 2012, Dominic Bell-Pikesville 2012, and Tim Brady-FCA. What's the deal here?

Inquiring minds want to now know.

[BmoreCounty99]

I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Not the coaches or communities fault the principal is tough on student admittance. This has also impacted their baseball program.

The same principal has been there for 6 years and he is a huge supporter of athletics. He was the principal during all the state finals in 07, 08 and 09.

No principal has any control over admitting kids in a magnet school. It is a complete lottery system. 1000 kids apply and it is a crap shoot with who qualifies. The principal has NO control on who gets in. I really wish people would stop thinking that.

[2K10Terp]

I have no problem with SFA in the MIAA A Conference as long as they follow the rules. Go to the B conference for two seasons. If its true, they should stop fifth year players. No senior transfers. As they move up in competition they won't be able to run up the score on anybody in the A Conference. They'll probably get a few running clocks put on them in there first few years in the league.

I think that is a great point. St. Frances has to pay their dues. I do believe that St. Frances has good intention but they need to regulate some of their actions. Nonetheless the MIAA-A rules will enforce more order anyway.

They may be setting themselves up for a culture shock. The regulations of conference A is different and so is the talent level. I do believe they will be fighting for the middle of the pack in the A conference for the next couple of years at SFA. Still great to see another true inner city private doing great things for the student-athletes. Ex. Mt. St Joe

[Sizzle]

And just for the record, credit transfer issues just don't happen in going from a public school like Dunbar to an "academic Institution" like SFA -- like Dunbar is not an academic instituion but a sports club. I recall an All-Met kid named Melvin Robinson from Annandale High in Virginia transfered to a public school in Maryland for his senior season. He was able to do so because he had parents or relatives in both areas he could claim residents. He had an offer from WVU but learned that he would not be able to graduate from the school he transfered to in Maryland because of the transfer credits issue. The kid returned to Annandale after just weeks in the Maryland school. However, the Annandale football team would not welcome the Robinson kid back on the team so he had to sit out the season and of course WVU rescinded the offer when he didn't play that senior year. The kid graduated from Annandale that school year with the credits he had but he would not have graduated from the Maryland school.

Just sayin' for the record.

And it's not enough just yet and we shouldn't move on. I got a PM that indictates we should ask about Mark Velasquez-MMA 2012, Dominic Bell-Pikesville 2012, and Tim Brady-FCA. What's the deal here?

Inquiring minds want to now know.

According to MIAA rules this particular player would not be permitted to play his senior year. Reason (5th year)

Exhibit A
Read Below Oct 11, 2009

Freshmen
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/200...-touchdown-run


Exhibit B
Now 2014
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...lasquez-142789



Oct 2009 - Freshmen
Oct 2010- Sophomore
Oct 2011-Junior
Oct 2012 - Senior......as seen on Rivals he is listed as a Junior.
Oct 2013 - Can't play

I welcome SFA into the MIAA A. But let's not kid ourselves. The MIAA C has the same rules as the A.

Next year SFA will be in violation if this player were to play a game . If SFA has 5th year players this year they will also be in violation.


MIAA RULE

3. Limits of Participation
A student may not represent any school, regardless of its affiliation to this Association, in any one sport at any competitive level for more than four years. Additionally, students may only be enrolled in grades 9-12 for participation in association athletic programs.

A student may not represent more than one school during any academic year in interscholastic athletics regardless of its affiliation to this association. A student athlete may appeal this guideline based on a move of his primary residence of at least 30 miles.

A student who has graduated from a secondary education program, either domestic or foreign, is not eligible to participate.


However, the only exception to this rule is if the player did not play for some reason. Possible Injury, cut from team. For example, Mr. Tim Brady was injured last year, so my take he is eligible. Trust me SFA, would not jeopardize the state of the game with playing players who were not cleared.

Case Dismissed

[Sizzle]

Exhibit A
http://www.thesportsfannetwork.com/a...hdowns-in-win/



8/30/2008- Freshmen at Archbishop Carrol
8/30/2009 - Sophmore at Archbishop Carrol
8/30/2010 - Junior at FCA
8/30/2011 - Senior at FCA***confirmed he did play***
8/30/2012 - Senior at SFA***Violation 5 years playing***


http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/LBU...-tim-brady.htm

http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/rFN...-tim-brady.htm

This could be a violation. 5th year players are not permitted. I hope this does not forfeit the season. We will know more in the morning as I am told the MIAA is well aware of these infractions. SFA may be banned from any bowl activity for at least 3 years. Say it ain't so but I must go with the facts as they are presented.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Exhibit A
http://www.thesportsfannetwork.com/a...hdowns-in-win/



8/30/2008- Freshmen at Archbishop Carrol
8/30/2009 - Sophmore at Archbishop Carrol
8/30/2010 - Junior at FCA
8/30/2011 - Senior at FCA***confirmed he did play***
8/30/2012 - Senior at SFA***Violation 5 years playing***


http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/LBU...-tim-brady.htm

http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/rFN...-tim-brady.htm

This could be a violation. 5th year players are not permitted. I hope this does not forfeit the season. We will know more in the morning as I am told the MIAA is well aware of these infractions. SFA may be banned from any bowl activity for at least 3 years. Say it ain't so but I must go with the facts as they are presented.

There's no question that Brady is a 5th year player. But I don't understand how this wasn't addressed. I just don't believe this could be possible. I'm assuming SFA got some sort of waiver, he was a very high profile player.

[harcohorns]

Exhibit A
http://www.thesportsfannetwork.com/a...hdowns-in-win/



*8/30/2008- Freshmen at Archbishop Carrol
*8/30/2009 - Sophmore at Archbishop Carrol
*8/30/2010 - Junior at FCA
*8/30/2011 - Senior at FCA***confirmed he did play***
*8/30/2012 - Senior at SFA***Violation 5 years playing***


http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/LBU...-tim-brady.htm

http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/rFN...-tim-brady.htm

This could be a violation. 5th year players are not permitted. I hope this does not forfeit the season. We will know more in the morning as I am told the MIAA is well aware of these infractions. SFA may be banned from any bowl activity for at least 3 years. Say it ain't so but I must go with the facts as they are presented.

Brady only played one year at FCA. The article from Aug 30 2009 saying he is a Soph is interesting... Max Preps and Rivals as well as his hi-lights reel(which is no longer on line) from that year says Freshman well Maxpres profile says Frosh... so he must have reclassified at some point in 2008-2009... The question is if he played HS football as Freshman somehwere or on JV the year before reclassifying? He is not listed on the 2008-2009 Varsity roster for Carroll..at least not now.

http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools...8/schedule.htm


so

*2008-2009- ???
*2009-2010- AC .. Was a Soph according to 8/30/2009 article but Maxpreps roster and hi light tape says freshman
*2010-2011- Listed as Soph on AC maxpreps roster
*2011-2012- Transfers to FCA as Junior (could not return toFCA and play 2012 for whatever reason , rumors asside)
*2012-2013- Transfers to SFA list as Senior

Really the question is did he play in 2008-2009 JV or elsewhere?


* The information on rivals and maxpreps are put in by coaches etc. Rivals, Maxpreps ect do not fact check the class that is imputed or given them at combine etc... they are not scholastic or always accurate.. really the only thing that matters is what the scholastic transcripts say and if he did ir didnot participate 5 years of HS ball.. well and when he turns 19 matters.. cant turn 19 before Aug 31..