State Poll - Week 9

[bigcountry]

My apologies. That explains it.

Damascus had a huge 2nd quarter or they would have lost scored all 23 then and almost lost. Whats a matter home slice .... you nervous. GC, Dematha, Gilman, CHC would destroy them RH and Wise. Done finished with conversation, out. Now get some rest and take a breath

[Jeebus]

Damascus had a huge 2nd quarter or they would have lost scored all 23 then and almost lost. Whats a matter home slice .... you nervous. GC, Dematha, Gilman, CHC would destroy them RH and Wise. Done finished with conversation, out. Now get some rest and take a breath

You are missing his point.

• You said you went to the Damascus-Sherwood game on 9/28/12.
  
• You were posting on the board at the same time.

Explain.

Or concede you lied about going to the game.

[First_Down]

You are missing his point.

No he doesn't.

[gillytech]

You are missing his point.

• You said you went to the Damascus-Sherwood game on 9/28/12.
  
• You were posting on the board at the same time.

Explain.

Or concede you lied about going to the game.

you are aware people can post from smartphones, right?

[First_Down]

you are aware people can post from smartphones, right?

Sure gil, maybe that's why jeebus used the word "...Explain...". One could have easily said so even ignoring the other reasonable and common thing to do is talk about the game one is at. And you are aware that a Smartphone is a PDA device I offered bigs an out. But his immediate response was "whaattt" when he knew he was busted and he still wanted to continue to play me. In my dialog with bigs I stated so many posters claim firsthand knowlwdge of games and try to relate things they actually did not see. With that placed before him, bigs elected to attempt to BS the board, in essense he took me for a fool. Are you now taking up for him?

Explain or concede the lie. That's all jeebus stated and I asked. But don't tell me to get some rest. Geeezzzzz!!!

Just sayin'

[Jeebus]

you are aware people can post from smartphones, right?

Really? Wow, I never knew that! I must be living in 1990 with my bag phone.

However, you would expect someone at a game to mention the game (score, crowd, weather, etc), rather than engage GA in a "who can beat DeMatha" pissing contest while watching the contest.

[bigcountry]

Sure gil, maybe that's why jeebus used the word "...Explain...". One could have easily said so even ignoring the other reasonable and common thing to do is talk about the game one is at. And you are aware that a Smartphone is a PDA device I offered bigs an out. But his immediate response was "whaattt" when he knew he was busted and he still wanted to continue to play me. In my dialog with bigs I stated so many posters claim firsthand knowlwdge of games and try to relate things they actually did not see. With that placed before him, bigs elected to attempt to BS the board, in essense he took me for a fool. Are you now taking up for him?

Explain or concede the lie. That's all jeebus stated and I asked. But don't tell me to get some rest. Geeezzzzz!!!

Just sayin'

Dude, i dont know who you are ... but I was at the game at Sherwoods home field and have been to another Damascus game. what does a thread about DEMATHA have to do with this.... your ducking the point....GC, DEMATHA, GILMAN, CHC would crush Damascus, RH, Wise.... PERIOD. Now go get some rest Home Slice.

[First_Down]

Dude, i dont know who you are ...

I'm First Down but you know that.

... but I was at the game at Sherwoods home field and have been to another Damascus game.

Sure, that's your story and you're sticking to it.

what does a thread about DEMATHA have to do with this....

That thread show you making posts on this board at the same time you said you were at the Damascus- Sherwood game. I already pointed this out to you bigs.

your ducking the point.....

No I am not. I made the point bigs and now I'm manning up to confront you about the point.

GC, DEMATHA, GILMAN, CHC would crush Damascus, RH, Wise.... PERIOD.

So you say but I'm challenging your credibility at this time and you are failing miserably.

Now go get some rest Home Slice.

You seem like the one who needs the break right now.



Just sayin' biggie

[MDhsfootballfan]

No way Wise, River Hill or Damascus could come close against Dematha or CHC. Damn damasucs barely beat sherwood!

Have you seen River Hill play this year? Absolutely dominating the competition. But how strong is Howard County this year is the qestion. If the Hawks roll through the state tournament the way their rolling through HoCo, there is no way you can say with any confidence, they wouldn't "come close against Dematha or CHC".

[benhur]

well said harco

Right on. I remember when one of the two premiere city school graduated 900 guys. They even had kids from Baltimore county paying to attend. Yes, size usually mean strength.

[First_Down]

Have you seen River Hill play this year? Absolutely dominating the competition. But how strong is Howard County this year is the qestion. If the Hawks roll through the state tournament the way their rolling through HoCo, there is no way you can say with any confidence, they wouldn't "come close against Dematha or CHC".

Please bigs, just don't you say you saw River Hill barely beat Glenelg 27 - 13. I would bust a gut!!!!!

Just sayin' holding my gut at this very moment.

[benhur]

Have you seen River Hill play this year? Absolutely dominating the competition. But how strong is Howard County this year is the qestion. If the Hawks roll through the state tournament the way their rolling through HoCo, there is no way you can say with any confidence, they wouldn't "come close against Dematha or CHC".

It is a shame we do not have a system where the top teams from each of the conferences square off for true ranking. Being undefeated does not mean anything until schedules are comparable (sos). The state ranking is so screwed up indicating homies vote according to what they see. The guy in east podunk sees his team clobber the local schools and assume they can go up against the guys from west podunk. The guys in west podunk are beating up on teams playing stronger competitors (in- state. and out of state) along the way losing a couple. We will have these issues until the publics open up their schedules and play the guys playing out of state competition.

[JustMyThought]

It is a shame we do not have a system where the top teams from each of the conferences square off for true ranking. Being undefeated does not mean anything until schedules are comparable (sos). The state ranking is so screwed up indicating homies vote according to what they see. The guy in east podunk sees his team clobber the local schools and assume they can go up against the guys from west podunk. The guys in west podunk are beating up on teams playing stronger competitors (in- state. and out of state) along the way losing a couple. We will have these issues until the publics open up their schedules and play the guys playing out of state competition.

As usual, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

[First_Down]

It is a shame we do not have a system where the top teams from each of the conferences square off for true ranking. Being undefeated does not mean anything until schedules are comparable (sos). The state ranking is so screwed up indicating homies vote according to what they see. The guy in east podunk sees his team clobber the local schools and assume they can go up against the guys from west podunk. The guys in west podunk are beating up on teams playing stronger competitors (in- state. and out of state) along the way losing a couple. We will have these issues until the publics open up their schedules and play the guys playing out of state competition.

Playing teams outside will NOT be the be all to end all regarding rankings. Teams in other states do that now and there is always beckering of rankings and who's better or best. There are just too many schools to settle things on the field. Hell, the college rank have problems settling the best on the field. You would have issues even if teams played all 9 or 10 games out of state. You would be naive to think anything else.

[Oil Can]

If only your blanket statements would fit all then you would be absolutely correct and well stated as biggie affirms. But it's not. The top schools don't have the depth of studs you may think because a good second or third stringer who is quality depth would opt to go elsewhere and play rather than ride the pine. If I thought I were a good stud, I would not play behind Henry Poggi, the son of the coach. No way! I would be headed to GC or DM or Spalding or somewhere. And thus you have the massive transfers that frequently occur on private teams at times just before the start of school. That happens a heck of a lot with privates but rarely with publics in my opinion. So that depth in the top privates just isn't all its cracked up to be or what you may think in MD. The backups just ain't all That Good! If they were, you wouldn't see Gilman studs going both ways just like public where I saw Moeller coaches having full offensive or full defensive player talks when the other squad was on the field. They had the studs and at all positions and they went one-way.

Large schools don't necessarily produce a greater pool of players. The program produces the number of players. There are many a 4A schools that have small numbers of players on the varsity team, some no more than than 30. And they have no JV teams. And some of the better 2A and 3A teams have tons of players on the varsity and JV. Why, because the program is well organized and well run and most importantly, they are winners. Gwynn Park and Douglass and Patuxent and McDonough and Huntingtown comes to mind when I say this. Those non-4A teams have tons of players on both JV and varsity levels with 4A teams like High Point, Parkdale, and others can barely produce a varsity squad and they have no JV.

Regarding new schools going up in areas to water down teams. Again I turn to the south where a nice school of North Point was built just years ago. It had minimal effect in my opinion on Westlake, McDonough, and others around it. Gwynn Park and Douglass were studs programs before Wise was built. I even think that Douglass was 4A before Wise and became 2A the second Wise opened for business at 4A. But Douglass and Gwynn Park are still stud programs and Douglass is probably the most productive team that hasn't won it all but they are in the mix every year. Again, because I think its a well run program that's not so severely impacted by enrollment ups and downs because they believe they can win with whatever 40 they field. They may even think that 50, 60, 70 kids on a team like I saw at DeMatha is far too many. They may prefer to be lean and mean.

A good example is Thomas Stuart transferring to CHC when he found himself behind the coaches son @ GC.

[First_Down]

A good example is Thomas Stuart transferring to CHC when he found himself behind the coaches son @ GC.

Great info. I wasn't aware of that. And I hope you don't mind me wearing out your Hokie label in describing the MIAA ( WCAC ) Titles in several posts. I just like that most descriptive term.

[pmore108]

It is a shame we do not have a system where the top teams from each of the conferences square off for true ranking. Being undefeated does not mean anything until schedules are comparable (sos). The state ranking is so screwed up indicating homies vote according to what they see. The guy in east podunk sees his team clobber the local schools and assume they can go up against the guys from west podunk. The guys in west podunk are beating up on teams playing stronger competitors (in- state. and out of state) along the way losing a couple. We will have these issues until the publics open up their schedules and play the guys playing out of state competition.

I don't know anything about the how the poll is conducted or how people vote so I won't comment on that but here are my thoughts on what would help public school football in MD:

1. Some different playoff system where you are not discouraged from playing tough competition. I know it has been discussed many times on here about "mandatory" regional play but that is difficult for a variety of reasons. The way teams make the playoffs should be re-examined however. As it stands it does you no good to play tough teams outside of your conference schedule. Better in state games would raise the level of play overall and you would see better Public vs. Private games (see CHC-Dunbar, also kudos to North Harford for playing Hereford and St. Paul's). The argument about it doing the privates no good to play a public school team bc if they lose it hurts them is bunk to me. I recall CHC losing to eastern tech a few years back and we see where CHC is now vs where Eastern Tech is.

2. Some way to stop the youth all star team phenomenom in which the only desire is putting together a great team of kids from all over. If each area had a solid rec program, the level of talent reaching the public high schools would be better. Tie the youth programs to middle schools in some way (boundary limits, grades, etc). Many kids learning fundamentals will benefit the state of football in MD a lot more than winning with bad technique and better athletes than everyone else on a all star type team.

3. Off season lifting and conditioning. 7 v 7 is important but not as important as spending time getting bigger, stronger, faster. Line play makes the difference in most tight games.

Personally #1 is the most important of these three to me. I would rather see teams playing good in state games rather than travelling out of state. Big in state games would create more interest which leads to a better level of play IMO. The only way that can happen is changing the way teams get into the playoffs.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

A good example is Thomas Stuart transferring to CHC when he found himself behind the coaches son @ GC.

Thomas wasnt playing behind the coaches son, Thomas was playing behind the GC's money man's son, Dancel. And the difference there is, Thomas was better than Dancel. Outside of Bigelow at ECA and maybe his own teammate at Gilman, the 9th grader Ellison Jordan(who starts), nobody in the state is better at Poggi's position. You're not talking about some bum, Henry Poggi is a LEGIT star player.

[bigcountry]

Have you seen River Hill play this year? Absolutely dominating the competition. But how strong is Howard County this year is the qestion. If the Hawks roll through the state tournament the way their rolling through HoCo, there is no way you can say with any confidence, they wouldn't "come close against Dematha or CHC".

agree...."if they roll thru the state tournament"

[bigcountry]

Please bigs, just don't you say you saw River Hill barely beat Glenelg 27 - 13. I would bust a gut!!!!!

Just sayin' holding my gut at this very moment.

didnt see it home slice