Is Ngata the Ravens version of Haynesworth 2.0?

[OriginalColtsFan]

What do you think?

[ivanbalt]

Does Ngata have a terrible attitude?

[OriginalColtsFan]

Refresh my memory...in what world does good attitude justify one of the largest salaries in sports history? Kyle Boller had a great attitude too.

Just sayin...

[PurpleBird]

Certainly a fair question. I would like to think that since Suggs is back it hopefully takes all the focus off of Haloti. Having a banged up knee isn't helping him either. I think the 2nd half of the season with Sizzle back will be a telling factor.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Does Ngata have a terrible attitude?

So what you're really saying is that he's like Haynesworth with a better attitude.

And speaking of attitude...

doesn't that include doing everything possible to come into camp in the best shape possible when your salary is occupying such a huge chunk of the cap space, instead of a fat, out of shape mass?

[RavensQB]

What do you think?

Did a TREE fall on your head?

[OriginalColtsFan]

Did a TREE fall on your head?

Well...let's see...from around the 4th game on of LAST SEASON, Ngata has been either a no show, or inconsistent at best. After landing a huge contract, he came to camp fat and out of shape, and has done little this year except nurse his injuries, which, at his weight, can only be compounded BY said weight. So no...a tree didn't fall on my head. Because if he turns out to be less than paid for, while possibly not being as huge a bust as Haynesworth, it's legit to question his value to the team, IMO.

[Andy in Hagerstown]

Forgive me if I am mistaken here but as I recall Ngata got that big contract playing at a higher weight and being a emoveable object. During the offseason before last season the Ravens wanted Ngata to lose weight so he could be more effective rushing the passer. Last season is when the injuries started and he ran out of gas at the end of the season. He hadn't had any injury problems up until then.

This type of thing reminds me of what happened with guys like Dwight Gooden and others who were told they couldn't continue to pitch the way they did and had to change. Dwight Gooden was never the same pitcher after the Mets messed with him and tis was before the drug issues really surfaced.

It's like pitch counts ruining baseball. Often times when you try to change who a guy is you end up getting something less than you had hoped for.

My opinion is that Ngata needs to heal and it probably isn't going to happen this year. What he needs to do in the offseason is recover and then work to get into the "shape" he was in during his first 3 seasons with the Ravens.

[Frank Costanza 831]

Albert Haynesworth is a thug and I see the point you're making but comparing him to Haloti just isn't fair. Ngata has been disappointing the last two years but he's not a scumbag like Haynesworth

[OriginalColtsFan]

Albert Haynesworth is a thug and I see the point you're making but comparing him to Haloti just isn't fair. Ngata has been disappointing the last two years but he's not a scumbag like Haynesworth

His character has nothing to do with it. I'm only focusing on the amount of money he's being paid and how it is not translating into on field performance. I didn't say he WAS Albert Haynesworth; I asked whether he was a version of A.H. 2.0 for the Ravens -- meaning, relative to the amount of money he's being paid, was it a very bad investment on the part of the Ravens.

[yeah]

quick answer, yes

[Ravens2006]

Not even close. He's played well for the most part, awesome at times, solid at his worst. He's played through injury and gives everything he has when he's on the field. He didn't come to camp "fat and out of shape", no matter how much you say it. The guy is an interior lineman, they're all "fat" if you want to look at it that way. Well, most of them are. The Ravens don't have many true interior linemen on the roster these days, but that's a different matter. He's playing through injury this year, and on a line with no other inside or outside threats to take attention away, gets extra attention on most every snap. It's a team sport, remember.

Ngata's missed 4 games in his entire career, and only 3 starts. Haynesworth never MADE 16 starts in a season in his career, not once, for a variety of reasons. He started 12 of 32 games in D.C, and only played in 20 out of 32 altogether.

So no... in terms of bang for your buck... value... etc... it's not even remotely close to comparable in my opinion. And if it does become a all-pay-for-no-play situation with him, it'll be because of injury, not desire, work ethic, or off-the-field drama.

[Steveg85321]

Not even close...

Thank you. To me the OP question is without merit if you consider all the points mentioned above, although if you only look at the bottom line, ie: $/statistics, the comparison is understandable.

Even with his injuries, Ngata is probably the best player on the Ravens defense, so he gets a lot of attention from those game planning against him. If he had some top quality play from those around him, we're not having this discussion. I definitely don't call him fat and out of shape (especially not to his face) and I see no evidence that he is mailing it in just because of his contract. There is reason to be disappointed in his performance, but to clump him with Haynesworth is totally a bad rap.

[can you hear me now!]

Not even close. He's played well for the most part, awesome at times, solid at his worst. He's played through injury and gives everything he has when he's on the field. He didn't come to camp "fat and out of shape", no matter how much you say it. The guy is an interior lineman, they're all "fat" if you want to look at it that way. Well, most of them are. The Ravens don't have many true interior linemen on the roster these days, but that's a different matter. He's playing through injury this year, and on a line with no other inside or outside threats to take attention away, gets extra attention on most every snap. It's a team sport, remember.

Ngata's missed 4 games in his entire career, and only 3 starts. Haynesworth never MADE 16 starts in a season in his career, not once, for a variety of reasons. He started 12 of 32 games in D.C, and only played in 20 out of 32 altogether.

So no... in terms of bang for your buck... value... etc... it's not even remotely close to comparable in my opinion. And if it does become a all-pay-for-no-play situation with him, it'll be because of injury, not desire, work ethic, or off-the-field drama.

well said...nothing to add except to say you nailed it....

[DColeman]

No way, although there was a knock on him coming out of college that he took plays off. I haven't seen anything yet to warrant that.....the injuries are definitely slowing him down.

[ivanbalt]

So what you're really saying is that he's like Haynesworth with a better attitude.

And speaking of attitude...

doesn't that include doing everything possible to come into camp in the best shape possible when your salary is occupying such a huge chunk of the cap space, instead of a fat, out of shape mass?

Ngata at least earned the contract. I don't think Haynesworth ever played an entire season with the Titans.

I went with the attitude argument since Haynesworth didn't seem to be interested with the Redskins from day one despite the gigantic contract he received. Granted, it was a new defensive scheme, but still.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Ngata at least earned the contract. I don't think Haynesworth ever played an entire season with the Titans.

I went with the attitude argument since Haynesworth didn't seem to be interested with the Redskins from day one despite the gigantic contract he received. Granted, it was a new defensive scheme, but still.

Fair enough.

Peace.

[BlandFood]

What do you think?

Trick question? Why not ask would you invite Ngata over for dinner since NOBODY in their right mind would invite Haynesworth.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Trick question? Why not ask would you invite Ngata over for dinner since NOBODY in their right mind would invite Haynesworth.

Yeah. It was a trick question.

[Brohan]

What do you think?

Nope. Not even close. Ngata plays multiple positions in mulitple defenses. He also practices.

Those right there are the only two differences you need to know.

Hopefully the money from next year's polar bear plunge will make it to you and you can play a sport one day.